Whoever wins bot lane is probably going to win the game below high gold

Peel Your ADC·Apr 1, 2015·4 votes·1,054 views

Scary pattern that seems to emerge. Its either your adc is 100 cs short by 25 minutes of the enemy vayne or they're a 18/1 Jinx running around in the jungle murdering everything in sight.

There isn't much you can do about it since no one knows how to come back from it either. They can even ward the river and farm up as the enemy groups up and comes to gank them. They'll even walk over wards and you wish you had more than 6 pings to use at once since 6 retreat pings isn't enough for them to get the message that they're in trouble.

Or you have the support scenario where the 0/0/9 blitz is walking into mid lane, spamming his laugh and then grabbing you as you get pushed under a tower for a gank while your bot lane loses a 2v1 to something like a vayne. On the other hand, you can have the 0/11/4 Morgana who cannot land a binding to save anything, ward properly (despite having sightstone), rush the red sightstone, mistime easy black shields and then ult when she's about to die.

If the bot lane loses, you most likely aren't going to win. That's just how it is.

Now how can we fix it?

18 Comments

IcyPepperApr 1, 20152 votes

It's the main snowballing lane that's harder to gank and reset than mid.

A pretty big advantage.

ThryaleApr 1, 20152 votes

as far as low elo is concerned, and mind you this is only from personal experience, this is the order of importance of lanes: jungle > bot > mid > top.

Objective control is paramount. A team with a bad jungler has no hope of winning unless someone else on their team is ungodly fed. And even then, it'll be an up hill battle the whole way. If you don't have dragon control, then you are in some deep trouble. Sure, you may be able to get by letting them have 2 drags, but as the game progresses on, those buffs scale, and at that point, time is not an ally.

Now to the topic of today's discussion: bot lane. Bot lane, in low elo, is a in a bad spot. If you wanna play passive and focus on farm, you better forget about it. Low elo just loves to play aggro, shove the lane, and is always looking for kills. For more skilled players, this isn't so bad, as you can use their blood lust to your advantage and catch them making mistakes. But for silvers and bronzies, most of 'em just can't handle the pressure. One side is gonna lose ground, and when it happens, it just won't stop. Now, if you get one of those rare encounters where it's a passive aggressive lane, yer still gonna have a hard time cuz more often than not, it's passive aggressive cuz they know they can screw you and they know they can out farm you.

Mid lane is important, but unless it's camped by the jungler and/or it doesn't have any super snowbally champs(you prob banned those in cham select anyway) then the impact they have isn't as dramatic as the jungler or the fed bot lane. That being said, mid is prob one of the safest lanes to carry from because of that. Assuming the game is "carry-able."

Top is a joke. Unless you are playing some hyper carry top laner like jax or riven or somethin, yer not gonna be impacting the game in a meaningful way when it's needed. Half the top laners I play against run ignite instead of tele, so they are always out for blood. And low elo decision making is very sloppy, so trying to tele in to a fight to turn the tides is very difficult. The best thing you can do as a top laner is draw as much jungle pressure as you can while avoiding giving away free gold and pray your jungler does something with the opening you've created.

BluePolarizerApr 1, 20151 votes

lol even Riven and Jax get kited like crazy in late game teamfights. They are good if you can end the game in late mid-game, where everyone has 3-4 items. That is their power spike. Their power spike is not when everyone is 6 slotted. When they jump in all that happens is bot lane exhaust/CC and then die in 3 crits. Biggest crit in my last game: 2500 crit from Caitlyn. The fk? Thats why as long as you play safe, top laners like Malphite/Maokai/Sion actually outscale Irelia/Riven/Jax - at least they can actually touch the enemy ADC.

ThryaleApr 1, 20152 votes

you assume carrying means winning every worthless teamfight.

a jax carries by split pushing properly and deleting the 1 or 2 guys they send to stop you.

BluePolarizerApr 1, 20151 votes

Sure you take top.

Their 5 man death ball steamrolls your 4 defenders and deletes your Nexus.

Splitpushing works if you have a disengage support and a strong waveclear mid while the enemy team has weak engage. It is extremely risky to split while the enemy has a very strong initiation because then you run the risk of getting your team steamrolled.

ThryaleApr 1, 20151 votes

which is why top feels like the least important role in low elo. It is extremely difficult to impact the early game due to it's island nature, then by the time you can help out, the course of the game has mostly been set, and unless you are some kind of miracle maker, yer just gonna spend the next 20 min or so of going thru the motions.

GaleWinUnleashedApr 1, 20151 votes

The support is there to ensure that an advantage isn't taken away from them without proper planning and effort.

Peel Your ADCApr 1, 20151 votes

That's for supports who aren't ass at the game.

This is low elo we're talking about.

Holy FervorApr 1, 20151 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1778332267/202671008?tab=overview - Basically....

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1778402564/202671008?tab=overview - This is why i camp bot when i can as a mid.

BluePolarizerApr 1, 20151 votes

Not even that. Just lost a game where our Lucian was just a bit behind enemy Cait and our Thresh got a red trinket too late and died for free twice. Those were literally their only mistakes. I started 4-0-4. The rest of our team was fed as hell, including me (Hecarim), Sion and Xerath. But thanks to enemy Ziggs, we could not close the game out since after every fight we'd be too low to take objectives and thus they all came back through farming. Late game their bot lane could 2v3 our solos+me, even though I was 6 item Hecarim with thornmail that sold boots for Zephyr because of how insanely I fed I was.

This is high gold/low plat.

Lore VentusApr 1, 20151 votes

Maybe a lot of support mains getting stuck in low and standard elo. xD Not that hard to get an adc fed, but hard to keep them from throwing.

Sona PingApr 1, 20151 votes

The problem looks to be more along the lines of :

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enemy vayne [has a huge cs amount] or they're a 18/1 __________

and

since 6 retreat pings isn't enough for them to get the message that they're in trouble.

rather than anything to do with the specific lane.

warpenguin555Apr 1, 20151 votes

Pretty much. Sadly my team will sometimes will bot and the adc will then try to 1v1 everybody, die, and cost us the game. i hate bronze man

The ChinApr 1, 20151 votes

I tend to agree, unless there's a fed assassin on the other team... In that case you hope your bruisers are fed.

BluePolarizerApr 2, 20151 votes

if the enemy carry is Vayne or Tristana, its GG. Not even Zed or Master Yi can shut down Vayne or Tristana late game in a teamfight if they have mechanics better than a potato. Only hope is full glass IE Rengar cheese and hope their GA is on CD.

Nick ValentineApr 2, 20151 votes

You fix it by disabling or deleting the enemy carry unconventionally. The truth is you need to be skilled in these champs to fill this role.

Annie Ahri Lissandra : Disables and kills a fed carry quickly

JarvanIV Skarner : Capable of "holding" a carry and or team for you

Nasus Teemo : Debuffs fed carries

XinZhao LeeSin Irelia : When confident and skilled can be played as a deletion assassin

Peel Your ADCApr 2, 20151 votes

Downside of about half those champions is that even though the enemy can or will be disabled, if your own bot lane got stomped that hard, they probably wouldn't know a good opportunity if it casually teleported into their lane, tossed a wither on the support thresh and then got 1v2'd since they decided to go shop for items.

SirsirApr 2, 20151 votes

If you don't have a team comp that can pick off the ADC then yes, bot has the potential to snowball out of control. Thankfully the meta is full of bruisers/assassins that can burst the carries, tanks that can sit on them with Gromp/Thornmail buff, and mages that can blast them from orbit.