Please Help A Scrub In Need

The Chuckler·6/4/2015, 5:10:35 AM·3 votes·1,071 views

Hi, I am a relatively new player. I have reached lvl 30 a while back and I am thought I was at least semi-decent at the game. Recently, some friends wanted to play as a team in ranked. I reluctantly went in; this was the time that I realized that I classify as a scrub :( I did unbelievably bad compared to my normal games and had the crap beaten out of me. I do well thought I did pretty well as Singed Singed before ranked, now I am questioning my reasoning behind that statement after being crushed by a Nasus Nasus; I will be ok thought I would be ok going top with Garen Garen, the enemy laner then chose Darius Darius and BM'ed me in All Chat as I was destroyed. Being in normals, I have not been so badly stomped before. I admit that I am not the best at last hitting and I have had little exp. with farming under tower as not being acquainted to having to camp underneath it, is there any advice that someone could give to a scrub in need? should I continue with ranked since it seems like the only place I am forced to focus on overall improvement of my game play, instead of normals where I seem to neglect it b/c I still do relatively well? Any other general advice? The current roles I know well thought I knew well were Support and Top, with some minor experience in ADC (haven't tried sup/adc yet in ranked). What should I focus on? Should I focus on a specific champ/role? Any other miscellaneous tips? I don't want to end up in Bronze V as a scrub :,(

P.S. this had absolutely nothing to do with my team and I know Singed vs Nasus wasn't the best idea

Attached is what Ranked felt like

10 Comments

Deep Terror Nami6/4/2015, 5:21:45 AM6 votes

Hey don't get too down, people take Ranked more seriously and bring their A game more often than not when compared to Normals, so a more difficult environment (even against the same exact people) is expected.

I'd suggest expanding your champion pool and learning what your favorite pick is bad against so you don't counter-pick yourself. You may find you are awesome at another champion and what you were using just isn't as strongly suited to your play style.

You're never done learning; watch streams, LCS, read guides, and spectate high elo matches with the champs you're interested in. Like PaJamaree said, keep playing Normals; if you are not doing well in Ranked then go do some Normals to get your mojo back. I only did like 150 Normal games before going into Ranked as opposed to his 1k, but I watched a shit ton of LCS and my skills skyrocketed without even playing. I also switched to being a Nami main :3

Oh, and Map Awareness. You will not go far as a top laner (or any role really) without making that a top priority.

T RexHasTinyArms6/4/2015, 6:41:02 AM2 votes

I think part of it is realizing where your skill is at. Take the names of the people you play and run them through lolking.net or something. See where they are in ranked. Normals have mmr, so you'll be matched w/ people around your skill level. If you're playing a bunch of diamond and plat players and nothing else, you're probably playing really high mmr normal games. If every single player in your last 50 normal games is bronze 5 or unranked, you're probably playing against people who won't abuse your misplays as much as someone who is at the rank everyone starts out at on a new account jumping into ranked (I want to say it's like low silver your first game in placements w/out ever playing ranked).

For some people (you may be one), normals are a great place to practice and improve. My experience though is that I need the ranked games to see where the mmr of the matches I'm playing is at, or I won't work as hard to raise that. You may get stuck in low elo/ranks for a while if you take this approach, but if you increase the skill gap enough you'll start to climb easy. I'm mid silver right now (promos for getting to silver II currently) and started out bronze III this season. I might not do great in gold or silver I games if you dropped me in them right now, but I think I could probably hold my own w/ high silver/low gold players if I had my main champ and it wasn't a horrible counter pick. That's a huge difference than being evenly matched against bronze III players generally, so while I may not have a huge win margin in silver where I'm at (I need to get better to keep climbing), if I was in bronze III (and at some points in bronze I managed this) I'd probably win like 12-3 in 15 games, because if I crush my lane (not just win) every game, it gives me a better chance to win.

I feel like I'm rambling at this point, but my advice would be: Figure out what the approximate rank you're playing in normal games is, then figure out a few champions you love playing win or lose, and focus on getting as good as you possibly can with them. Either in ranked or in normals, just spam 3-6 champs that you love and get to where you can consistently (like 9 out of 10 games) win lane by at least 15-20 cs or 2-3 kills and have 2 or less deaths at 15-20 minutes. You'll go up.

PS If it's ranked teams sometimes the skills are pretty wonky I hear. For instance a team w/ a plat or diamond mid or adc, may have a silver or bronze top or support because they are friends and wanted to play together, so their rank as a team may be lower bc some games the diamond can't carry, but that lane will be hard and you'll need to rely on your team. At least that's what I hear.

Code6/4/2015, 4:57:46 PM2 votes

I went right into ranked, proceeded to get placed Bronze 2 and dropped to Bronze 5. However, I climbed to high gold in that same season, and am mid plat with diamond experience (I've decayed) in season 5. If you get placed in low bronze, then that's okay. If you get placed in silver, that's okay too. You'll be able to climb out with ease IF you have the skills for it, and if you don't then by playing more ranked and learning, you'll develop those skills. As far as I can tell, you spam way too much of 2 champions (singed/soraka) who are both unique in terms of playstyle. I'd definitely expand my champ pool if I was you, and once you have 3 champs per role (minimum), I'd go to ranked. Making the mistake I did of being unprepared however isn't the worst thing in the world, and if you really want the challenge of a ranked game, then go for it.

All I can recommend is having those few champs down beforehand, so you don't get crushed. And if you do, at least you learn something from it.. Though I find bronze/silver to generally be who can mess up the hardest, versus who can actually outplay the other. Take what you see with a grain of salt, and analyze plays and why they do/don't work and you'll get there.

Kouga6/9/2015, 9:37:44 PM2 votes

Hey there! First off I wanted to say thank you for being an open minded player who genuinely seems to want to improve and learn rather than just bitch & moan about X Champion being OP. Given the overall tone of the community at large, I think finding someone as earnest sounding as you, as a relatively new player, is a freakin' diamond in the rough. So keep up the good attitude! Really, whether you win or lose, if you're fun to play with, you and everyone on your team will have a better time. Your friends will be more willing to help you learn if you're willing to take criticism and feedback, and you'll make more friends while playing if they find you're a pleasant person to play with.

Second, for context, I'm not a pro level challenger player or anything. I just don't have the time to commit, especially with all the recent changes and reworks (and my computer died a while ago x.x) However I've been playing League since its Beta, and I keep up on the patch notes and general discussions and red posts as best I can.

Enough for introductions. On to your post!


Don't Lose Before The Game Begins

Before anything else, remember not to put too much heart into any one game. There are a lot of factors here that are either out of your control entirely (how good your team is at communicating, pinging, and coordinating plays) and others that will simply take time to learn (understanding the nuances of Champion mechanics, understanding match ups). Its like poker - professional poker players have plenty of games they downright lose from the opening hand, but they don't care. Instead, they look at the long term - playing hundreds if not thousands of games and then looking at the averages and end results. So you have a bad match up? Learn what you can, and then move on, but don't assume that you'll always lose that match up every time. On the other hand, don't assume that just because something works once, it'll always work. In the end, Player Skill can still trump Champion Select.

For example a few months ago I was experimenting with Top Yasuo. He had received some tweaks to his shield and I was actually having pretty good luck against tankier tops by going with an early zeal>BF>PD build path. I went up against a Darius and wasn't sure how I was going to do. But it turns out he was having a bad game, and I wrecked him. I kicked him up and down the lane until he chose to camp mid instead. A few games later, I get another Darius. "Pfft", I figure, "I got dis." This time, I got destroyed so hard my jungle gave up on me. Because that was a good Darius player. So don't think that just because you lose once that you'll always lose.

If you end up on the poor end of a match up, then you'll have a harder hill to climb, but its still possible. It just might require that you really focus or ask for early ganks or play a lot safer than you normally would.

Back To Basics

Last Hitting Once you've gotten yourself into the mindset that a single game does not define you as a player or a person, then start working on your fundamentals. Learn to last hit. How? When you're in lane (even if you have to go to a Bot game or practice game), attack a Minion and see how much damage you do, watch the actual number. Then, click the minion and wait for his health to reach that point. Then try timing your hit - watch his health dropping from the other minions. There is actually a pretty reliable rhythm of the minions attacking and you'll be able to predict exactly when it'll drop below that "kill threshold". Try to hit him exactly when you'll be able to last hit it. Then eventually you'll be able to predict this intuitively based on the health bars and you'll be able to stand in the middle of a wave and be able to pick them off easily.

Every Champion will have a different last hit rhythm, especially early on when you don't deal as much damage. The attack speed, attack animation, and base AD values will be a little different across the board. Some Champions (Nasus) make it easier by having an ability designed for farming. Others like most mages are more difficult because of their naturally weak Auto Attacks. Singed is kind of interesting - if you're not careful, the timed ticks of your poison can actually miss getting a few last hits by minions that are in the middle of a wave, but once you stack up some damage on it you'll be able to farm entire waves at a time.

Towers Related to last hitting, also get an idea for how many tower shots it takes to kill a Melee Minion, a Caster Minion, and a Cannon Minion. Sometimes you'll watch a tower hit a minion, you'll hit it but not quite kill it, and then the tower will kill it. In this case, you need to hit it once, let the tower almost kill it, then last hit yourself. So get used to that pattern as well and it'll be a lot easier to farm under your tower.

Similarly, get used to towers in general. Memorize their exact aggro-range. Use it your advantage. If you're Singed and you're getting pushed back to your tower, see if you can bait your enemy into harassing you close to that tower range. If you can time it so that a minion hasn't yet entered your tower's range because the wave is pushed just outside it, you can Fling your enemy into your own tower and force them to take a hit or two.

On the topic of Singed, you can use his poison within the enemy tower range - it won't aggro until they actually take damage from it. So if you are pushed up to their tower and they hang back behind their minions, you can step into the tower's range, drop a trail of poison in front of yours, and step out of range. It can help to pressure your enemy off the wave, so they lose CS if the tower takes the minions. And if they step forward, they'll take damage from your poison, but you've already moved out of range so you'll be safe. On the flip side, be careful not to walk back into range while the enemy is still taking damage, since it'll aggro the tower onto you.

Alright, that's enough for now, this is just a few things to think about as far as working on your basics in lane. Just keep up the good attitude and keep playing.

As for if you should play Ranked: if you can play it without getting totally down on yourself, then go for it! You'll get better, faster, if you play against people who are probably trying a little harder or less likely to goof around then they will in normals. Ranked will encourage you to really hone those basic skills. Just don't sweat it if your Rank is low for a while. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither are professional teams.

The Chuckler6/9/2015, 9:06:46 PM1 votes

Thank you for the helpful advice. I have realized that my champ pool is virtually non existent. Does anyone have any advice on champions to look into? I tend to be a conservative player, unless I know the champ very well. As seen by my gaming history, I usualy play Singed/Soraka. Does anyone know of any champs that may work somewhat similarly, even though they have very unique play styles? Also, been looking into getting Ziggs, would he be a good idea? I do not have a solid mid laner that I have enjoyed so far and he looked interesting. Thanks for the advice!

ShuffledPancake6/4/2015, 5:44:12 AM1 votes

If you deserve b5 then take it, id rather be b5 then be carried to gold +, know your place and role instead of hoping not to get b5 like damn.

Jamaree6/4/2015, 5:13:23 AM1 votes

Soooo, do you ask them something and they kindly answer then if we are going off the pic?

On a serious note, honestly, just play lots of normals, didn't even touch ranked until I had over 1 k win, the skills will come naturally.