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Dodging a game to avoid trolls, having to deal with wait times, explanation please?

Mister Punches·2/6/2015, 2:22:48 AM·1 votes·951 views

(Don't know if this is the right subforum, if it isn't, can a riot member move it to the correct forum?)

I'm pretty sure that this topic has been seen before, but I am legitimately curious: Why do people have to be punished for dodging a game that they know will end poorly? They essentially sacrifice their play time to ensure that their team doesn't suffer from trolls, or raging players, etc.

I don't get why the person who does such a thing has to be punished in such a way. I have seen people leave pregames because they didn't get the role they wanted, they wanted to troll their teammates by quitting out at one second before the characters are locked in, etc. However, I am one of the players who considers dodging, but I don't want to get penalized 5-15 minutes just because someone ingame is being a troll.

Hell, my last three games had ragers in pregame, two jungles, and two tops. I didn't dodge, and no one dodged because each of them had the same exact reason: "I don't want to get penalized for 'x' player's trolling". I do understand the necessity of the leaverbuster system though, to weed out the more toxic players, and to ensure that queue dodging doesn't run rampant. A game with stuff like that would be chaotic and hard to play with if the leaverbuster system was nonexistent. For that, I love the leaverbuster system.

However, the one thing I want to know about is, "what about the minority of players that leave because they don't want to deal with the trolls and ragers?" There are people like that in this game, the "noble player", the one who dodges to avoid a player that will ruin the game for both sides. Am I asking for amnesty for these players? Mainly, I would say no. I am just curious for why the system just throws a blanket over all queue dodgers with the assumption that they are doing that because they want to make the game harder for their team.

Is there a way to combat it, such as having a box to explain why someone is dodging? And to combat that, if they abuse the dodging (e.g. dodging every single game for 3-5 games in a row), they would pretty much lose their privilege to use that box? This is just something I want to know, for future reference.

4 Comments

libraryseraph 2/6/2015, 2:30:06 AM2 votes

Because there's no way to keep people from abusing it. Even if they removed the box if people dodged too much, they'd still ruin people's games by dodging. Also, they'd only be able to tell false dodges from frequency. With false reports, people lose their report weight based on whether other people are reporting the person they reported, when tribunals up if their reports keep getting pardoned, etc. Riot currently doesn't have any way to check if there are actually trolls in champ select

SEKAI2/6/2015, 2:30:28 AM1 votes

The system was not originally designed to cope with griefers so you dodge = you're bad, which makes absolute sense if you only consider 1 side of the coin.

But time's changed and the system hasn't caught up with it yet.

And yer I would agree this doesn't fit the "Tips & Tricks" section, idk probably "Gameplay & Balance"? Tbh none of the tags actually fit.

Zappo2/6/2015, 6:32:40 AM1 votes

I posted something like this and was removed. i feel a fix for this to lessen the trolls pre and post game would to have that chat recorded even if somebody dodged. I feel this is the best way to lessen because there will be less trolls once they start seeing they are being banned for their actions. But riot says it wasn't in the right section and removed it.