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DarkDeamonDragon·8/25/2015, 12:05:21 PM·1 votes·1,200 views

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So last night I was playing Vel'Koz support (on red side) and everything was going great for like the first 5 minutes of the game. Then we get dived 4v2 under tower (our jungler was caught and melted in the jungle 2v1 by Ahri and Shyvanna) and my ADC starts flaming me for not tanking the skill shots for her. Says I'm making her the meat shield when she's been standing still for the most part while farming. She also says I'm not poking enough when I'm close to out of mana in lane. I finally muted her when she says I'm not warding when all we were doing after about 15 minutes was defending towers.

My question is, should I have been tanking all the skill shots for her even though I was playing a squishy support and she wasn't moving around too much when CSing?

I know I didn't have enough wards out for a 50 minute game, but when you're stuck defending towers for 20 minutes it's hard to get out and ward without the possibility of getting caught (which I probably would have been flamed for anyway). I was just wondering if someone could take a look at the history and let me know what I can work on for next time.

15 Comments

KingWanahakalugi8/25/2015, 8:59:57 PM2 votes

I'm Morgana / Blitzcrank supp main. Warding with a squishy support is a dangerous task. Being pushed under towers doesn't help the matter. There are relatively safe locations to ward even when they're pushed that still provide information to your team, but it still doesn't always mean the enemy won't be there waiting. As for body blocking, it is important to take some skill shots (even on a squishy), but it is just as important that your ADC moves to avoid skill shots as much as possible. There's nothing wrong with asking your ADC to be more mobile nicely (raging back never gets anywhere). Unless I have taken the kills from my ADC though, I will almost always sacrifice myself to save them if I feel they have a reasonable chance of escaping (if you do your job right they'll always be worth more gold than you). Lastly, I just want to say using smart pings is a very effective tool for whatever may come up. Most of the time I convince the ADC to trust me and my pings. I simply say if I mess up and make a bad call they don't have to listen to me. Otherwise, let me call the shots, so they can focus on farm and poke. I'll ward, watch the map, and provide escapes or engages.

Aeolian Melodies8/25/2015, 12:18:42 PM1 votes

You tank what you can tank. I play Janna/Sona/Nami amd if it's not going to get you killed or forced out of lane and she's going to eat it, you can take it to the face. If it's going to kill her but not you, absolutely take it to the face. Meat shielding and body blocking (barring enemy path with your own character to slow them down) can save a life so it's worth doing if you know you can get away with it.

illustrator8/25/2015, 1:03:39 PM1 votes

Im a Lulu/Karma/Janna main and those are most definitely squishy support champs. Vel'Koz does tons of damage, and is fairly squishy himself. Don't let your adc harass you, but dont be afraid to learn from what they are saying. As Vel'Koz you wont be able to take a lot of major attacks from the enemys but you you should try your best to make sure your adc does not have less health than you. (unless theyre being reckless and jumping into fighting.) What helps is trying your best to poke down the enemy and get them to back away from your adc and only focus on farming. An adcs job is to collect farm and do damage while your role is to make sure they can do it safely while exposing the enemy adc to damage.

Here are a couple of points. -You can definitely poke while your out of mana by punishing the enemy adc when they go to kill a minion just with an autoattack. -Try to preserve your mana and alternate between a good use of abilities and just autoattacking...this helps in case you get ganked and need to use mana. -Positioning is key and using your higher damage abilites when you know they will hit your target is always better. -Warding is definitely a crucial aspect. Vision especially becomes more important when you are behind in a game and need map control. Start off by warding your jungle and places you feel comfortable with, or wait till your with your team. ALWAYS WARD.

You got this, :D

Tyren8/25/2015, 2:24:35 PM1 votes

Since people already covered the body blocking, but if my adc can't dodge the skill shots most of the time they kinda deserve it. That's what I think. I've had a few get poked down with Soraka's Q, it's so easy to dodge. I under stand getting hit by a few, but getting hit by more than half of them is just plain bad.

When I'm getting pushed back make sure to ward your tri brush, river where you can, and red/ blue depending on the side. Of course only when you are safe enough to do so. Also, you can ward over the wall on both sides. Watch warding videos for supports too learn the trick, it's easier to learn them with visual aid. To help with vision clearing I get a pink ( if I have enough) and a sweeper when I get sight stone.

DartFeld8/25/2015, 5:49:04 PM1 votes

Heres a relevant video on this lane. It's lengthy, so it's up to you wether you want to spend an hour watching it or not. It's a fantastic learning series on many topics. Basic mechanics, engaging, playstyles (assassins, adcs, etc) lane control, and many others. Tons and tons of content in the series, but this is the one for bot lane:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5rn2vQNqKho

For the whole series you're looking at over 16 hours of learning. It doesn't cover 100% of everything, but it's a very beneficial resource to use. Keep in mind that some information is outdated (obsolete items, pre-reworked champions, etc) but it's a solid foundation to build your skills on.

Edit: had the wrong lecture number. Replaced the link

KyleKicksRocks8/26/2015, 6:08:59 PM1 votes

I think it really depends on the circumstance, you should only be taking the shots when you need to. Your adc shouldn't even be getting hit by them in the first place. If taking some shots would prevent your adc from leaving the lane or possibly dying than yeah take some. This also coincides with what support your playing, taking shots while playing Bard Janna vs Leona Blitzcrank are totally different.