What's the point of ADC/support in bot lane...

Ezcru·6/2/2015, 3:45:44 AM·1 votes·1,753 views

I mean it works if the other team does it...but if the other team has double ignite Annie + Rengar who can simply 100-0 you at lvl 2 before you can even FLASH away.

I mean, I didn't even get cs for like 1.5 waves and the moment I try to go for one, I get my first death. You can't even get cs...how long until the jungler comes to help? How underleveled will you and your support be by that point? Gank will not go well and could easily go in their favour despite being 3v2.

20 Comments

Brody Biggu6/2/2015, 3:48:57 AM6 votes

Its all about team composition. Any duo of higher damage champs could beat support/adc but once it comes to team fighting you need both adc and support

Ih8ucuzurtoxic6/2/2015, 5:02:08 AM2 votes

Team comp and knowing your opponents is a big part of the battle.

If they have a rengar annie that can burst you down instantly, you might want to stay back a bit and farm under tower until you're able to survive long enough to flash.

ADC/SUP works well because ADC's do great with high cs and can get it while they poke a bit. They're quishy though and the ENTIRE JOB of support in lane is to babysit and make the adc unkillable. As the game goes on and the support reacts to the enemy teams comp and building they can continually peel for their ADC while in team fights while the ADC shreds the entire enemy team. That isn't to say it's the only thing that works. If you have a group that can handle a different strategy then that can work well to your advantage.

An example was DSG Vs. CLG. CLG used the tank meta with an Kogmaw/Ashe combo for dmg. Ashe wasn't the lethal damage, she was there to use slows and stuns to peel or set up kills for Kogmaw. The entire rest of the team did nothing but peel for them and they ended up with an almost perfect game against DSG.

Rabid Husky6/2/2015, 4:21:27 AM2 votes

the point is the support is additional cc and usualy just buffing the team or being a tank with some being extra damage and adc is all damage with some also haveing cc but only a couple comes to mind now as for your delema it just seems like you just had bad games is all keep playing or get friends involved now there is a troubleing thing ive seen personaly im sure its luck but i usualy get a support who 1 doesnt wanna get me kills 2 doesnt wanna keep me alive 3 jungler is camping doesnt matter wich side and 4 the dreded troll bot lane of no adc and no support just 2 other people disigned to snowball bot lane and force a surrender or early win in all honesty bot lane is by far the hardest id suggest top or mid unless you got good friends with ya

Vik4prez6/2/2015, 10:34:29 AM2 votes

A team with no adc/support will quickly fall behind once it reaches the mid/late game because they wont have any real source of sustained damage. This will be even more evident if that bot lane tried to both get cs, which will put both of them behind. I imagine a lane like that would work against less experienced players because they wont know to just sit under tower and farm and will continue trying to get cs in lane and end up dying. Against a matchup like that patience is truly a virtue.

SexyTaylorSwift6/2/2015, 3:57:15 AM1 votes

Because late game potential. All you have to do not feed and you basically just won the game.

Ezcru6/2/2015, 4:16:49 AM1 votes

The sona/caitlyn combo seems to me to be a catchall, it beats pretty much any combo especially if sona has some ap runes or mpen.

Sky of Smiles6/2/2015, 5:01:33 AM1 votes

Win at lvl1!

stealthfox946/2/2015, 5:05:09 AM1 votes

They offer nothing in teamfight.

TMIT6/2/2015, 2:13:12 PM1 votes

I think a lot of posters in this thread are confusing "something other than ADC/support in bot lane" with "no ADC". Way back when, ADC often went other lanes. Even today, depending on team comp and lane match ups, putting ADC in another lane is viable. As a counter-meta, the goal would be to have your "kill lane" or whatever bottom suppress enough CS from their ADC that their team falls behind.

Depending on the matchups elsewhere, an ADC can be a very annoying matchup in top or mid. Picture stuff like Sivir rotating mid against non-assassins, or Caitlyn top against some matchups. Then your mid --> bot Lux instead pairs with support Morgana and one bind = triple nuke all-in + tons of time in Morg's damaging pool, or other similarly dangerous combos. As long as your ADC has an equal-to-favorable matchup in another lane, you can easily do stuff like this without falling too far behind. ADC like Caitlyn and Trist are also tough to gank on top of it.

It's nice to have some AD near the dragon early in the game, but in practice in 99% of non-pro games ever dragon is something that 1) gets sneaked by a jungler soloing it 2) something taken early-mid game after a successful jungler gank bottom lane or 3) taken after a major team fight, and having ADC mid or even top would have only a marginal effect on objective control, if any. A jungler + mid laner + support that kills bottom lane could take dragon easily for example, same with jungler/top/support, and mid lane can help there anyway.

Their Jungler6/2/2015, 4:13:45 PM1 votes

Because over time you will have 250 CS and they will have 125 CS a piece...who is better in this case? Same goes with duo top. Yes duo top will have advantage early game, but they have to share CS and the jungler has an overwhelming advantage. The only danger is that the top plays like it is 1v1.

So that is my tip to you. Hold out early game and stomp them mid/late.

Fewtas6/3/2015, 7:07:15 AM1 votes

I feel you because this happens all too much in either normals or low elo. The worst two I've had to face were a Teemo-Yorick bottom lane and a Morgana-Blitz-Nami. The first was literally impossible to lane against and the second if I cleared out all of the minions we'd get zoned off by the snare and pulled and combo'd on. And both times I happened to be playing jinx QQ.

Big Hans6/3/2015, 10:51:47 AM1 votes

I cant play ADC so I always go a range mage if Im forced into ADC role. I havent had a lot of those games but when it happens ive always won. Ideally your lane partner is also a damage dealing mage that has good poke. Never tried with a tank. I doubt it would be effective.

Punkkee6/2/2015, 3:47:48 AM1 votes

go rengar and annie bot then kappa kappa kappa

Teachan6/4/2015, 5:00:41 PM1 votes

The best option is to freeze at your tower. It's ok to take a hit on cs in the early game so long as you get the experience. Hell, watch some of the lcs games where they do a laneswap. The poor person in a 1v2 often barely gets 10-15 cs until 10 minutes into the game. (prob not an accurate figure, but to give you an idea. :) )

Ezcru6/2/2015, 3:50:22 AM1 votes

This is why caitlyn is highest pick for most ADC players...you can still farm no matter what.

dinkaroo6/2/2015, 3:56:02 AM1 votes

Poke. Lots of poke. The support pokes a little, but the ADC just pokes the hell out of whoever they can. Support secures the kill once the enemy has low enough health. Rengar doesn't have a strong poke and melee generally has a hard time bot since there's most likely going to be one ranged champion on the enemy bot lane.

Rengar+Annie bot technically can fulfill the role of ADC/Supp, but only because Rengar's kit has a gap closer (kinda) as well as a slow/stun so that he can kill the enemy a bit more easily.

The disadvantage is that, previously stated, since most teams will have two ranged champions on bot lane, the ranged team is going to get a lot of hits on the melee champion until they can return the damage (that is, if they can).

Also, Rengar can just tear apart some ADC's, but can't do anything against others so it's partly a matchup problem.

BluePolarizer6/2/2015, 3:56:50 AM1 votes

lol, you think Rengar and Annie are big?

Poppy LeeSin is where its at.

If Poppy gets fed, she can 1v5. Who needs an ADC? You know how Lee ganks are terrifying? Well you have a permanent Lee gank bot now.

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1834777599/213933916?tab=overview

For reals though: we won that game because we were immensely snowballing and had complete map control. Whenever the enemy grouped as 5 they steamrolled us with their 2 ADCs. Turns out that range is really fking important to have. Lane doesn't matter.