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Question for sliver or higher players... what could I be doing wrong?

DeloricVI·10/20/2015, 7:16:35 PM·1 votes·2,004 views

So, last night, I lost a whopping total of at least 70 LP. Why? I personally think it's my team's fault. Several days earlier, I had reached 100 LP, but failed both my promos because of my team. I had a recent thread about asking how to carry a bad team, but at this point I'm thinking I'm asking the wrong questions.

There is no doubt that a good team makes winning easier, but should I be asking how to carry them, or should I be asking what I'm doing wrong? My win rate varies so widely on every champion, but it usually ends up negative... I see a lot of things that I just can't seem to persuade my team not to do. Here's a short list of things that lost me my last 3 games that my team refused to listen to my advice about or just can't prevent:

Splitting up and getting caught out when the laning phase is over Feeding before 5 minutes Intentionally feeding Split pushing when we don't have the advantage People building full AD on Tank Champions (and losing lane because they have no sustain) Not placing enough wards Not placing any pink wards

Now, I do my best to follow my own advice, but am I, and usually one or two other people, following that advice enough to win in bronze? Am I being punished for something I'm doing wrong or my team? Everyone knows that League doesn't exactly give you feedback when you do something wrong, other than "YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN."

I've also noted that op.gg thinks my mmr is around the mid 400's, which I recently read is where the abysmal players are, and where it is truly hard to get out of. The "true elo hell," so called. Is this true?

I'm willing to answer any questions about how I play, what I do in game, etc. I really want to get better... I'm tired of just feeling cheated by this game's flawed ranking system. I'm tired of being in trash tier where I feel like I can't improve at all and I'm completely at the mercy of my team's skill level.

48 Comments

CoolKnightST10/20/2015, 7:19:12 PM1 votes

You didn't mentioned roaming. Focus on objective to prevent the random splitup.

Arrowe10/20/2015, 7:23:25 PM1 votes

As soon as you focus on gaining MMR and not LP the game becomes a lot easier in my opinion

Smitemuffin10/20/2015, 7:24:36 PM1 votes

At that elo, you have to have pretty low-end personal mechanics to be where you are. Otherwise you can easily crush lane, roam and snowball a second lane. That alone will win you most games on average.

Verxint10/20/2015, 7:25:38 PM1 votes

If you're below silver, don't expect anything from or rely on your team.

You literally need to dunk your lane, roam to other lanes, dunk them, snowball, and win. Take as much gold as possible, get items faster.

This is assuming you're actually better than bronze. If not, focus on making your own play better before you focus on what your team does.

Even someone at a high silver level should be able to destroy bronze pretty easily.

Teslyn10/20/2015, 7:28:12 PM1 votes

basic problems at that elo is ... people chase kills and over stay when you get an objective.

Archon X10/20/2015, 7:38:56 PM1 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1982117963/211474015?tab=overview

what position were you playing that game? I cannot tell.

hh the thinker10/20/2015, 8:18:42 PM1 votes

try to deduce your amount of deaths. aim for 2 or less if you can, while still having as much impact as you can in the game. at bronze 5, you can go games without dying at all, but no one is expecting perfect which is why i say 2 or less.

you say that you can't improve at your rank, but you really can. learn from each death, improve cs, don't get caught out. it's the small simple things that make the big difference.

look for what you can control and what you can work on. if you end up improving on everything you can think of, and can't find any more mistakes, that's when you want to get someone possible to re-watch your games, but i would say you should do this first and really be critical as if you were watching someone else.

one website i like to look at (it's not fact with everything it says, but it's a good start to know what to focus on) is http://freelo.gg/summoner/NA/DeloricVI

TheNoxusWarrior10/20/2015, 9:37:20 PM1 votes

I believe that no one should say "its my team's fault" after a loss because at the end of the day you can't improve the people on your team but you can improve on yourself. So after EVERY game just take a min and think "what could I have done better" and if you think of nothing then well you need to get more game knowledge. Also supporting sucks in low elo we all know this but that doesn't mean if you get stuck with it you go off and do some stupid ass "carry" support build. Support is for utility, not damage, so suck it up buttercup and just be helpful instead of doing tons of damage because you'll never have enough gold to do good damage if you did your role right.

Rossonious10/20/2015, 10:01:51 PM1 votes

Losing costs you nothing at that Elo so stop giving a crap about the outcome of the game. You're obviously not mechanically gifted yet to just stomp people yet so don't worry about that either yet. Focus on CS without being hit or killed. Then when you've mastered that focus on CS without getting hit or killed while causing harm to the opponent. After that focus on living through big fights (staying at your max effective range while being near tanks basically), then after that focus on living through big fights while using all abilities AND items to impact the fight.

You should be mid/high bronze after getting through each of those tasks progressively. Just understand that at that Elo sometimes there will be such a big skill disparity between teams that games will be literally unwinnable for you even if you were literally a gold caliber player (not many if you were LITERALLY gold but enough).

Stop worrying about LP and winning because you are very behind the curve mechanically and in basic game knowledge. Just spam ranked games (no goddamn anxiety I swear to god goddamnit there's no reason to feel anxious AT ALL at your Elo) and just take it one step at a time.

MUTE EVERYONE TOO PLZ. Ty for reading and good luck. I started this season B5 -40 LP and have been as high as S3 using this advice.

CrisisEchoes10/21/2015, 12:10:52 AM1 votes

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So, last night, I lost a whopping total of at least 70 LP. Why? I personally think it's my team's fault. Several days earlier, I had reached 100 LP, but failed both my promos because of my team. I had a recent thread about asking how to carry a bad team, but at this point I'm thinking I'm asking the wrong questions.

There is no doubt that a good team makes winning easier, but should I be asking how to carry them, or should I be asking what I'm doing wrong? My win rate varies so widely on every champion, but it usually ends up negative... I see a lot of things that I just can't seem to persuade my team not to do. Here's a short list of things that lost me my last 3 games that my team refused to listen to my advice about or just can't prevent:

Splitting up and getting caught out when the laning phase is over Feeding before 5 minutes Intentionally feeding Split pushing when we don't have the advantage People building full AD on Tank Champions (and losing lane because they have no sustain) Not placing enough wards Not placing any pink wards

Now, I do my best to follow my own advice, but am I, and usually one or two other people, following that advice enough to win in bronze? Am I being punished for something I'm doing wrong or my team? Everyone knows that League doesn't exactly give you feedback when you do something wrong, other than "YOU HAVE BEEN SLAIN."

I've also noted that op.gg thinks my mmr is around the mid 400's, which I recently read is where the abysmal players are, and where it is truly hard to get out of. The "true elo hell," so called. Is this true?

I'm willing to answer any questions about how I play, what I do in game, etc. I really want to get better... I'm tired of just feeling cheated by this game's flawed ranking system. I'm tired of being in trash tier where I feel like I can't improve at all and I'm completely at the mercy of my team's skill level.

I promise you, if you can pull off 150 cs by 20, focus down objectives instead of kills, ward, and average less than 5 deaths per game, you will win any game in bronze with no effort at all. (providing youre not jg or support ofcourse)

Uguuubear10/21/2015, 12:41:25 AM1 votes

Below Silver,everyone sucks,so never rely on your team and never on smurfs. To win,either your enemy team 5 man dives you and then give you a pentakill,or just have to win lane roam roam roam push roam farm steal your jg's farm

ShaftyMegee10/21/2015, 12:46:01 AM1 votes

I'm not ranked, but I looked at your match history and I saw that you have been playing ap mid recently. Even though you buy loads of ap, you don't buy any magic pen, (besides boots) which is pretty damn necessary unless you are so ahead you don't give a shit about their builds.

Just my quick suggestion is to look more into MP instead of more mana

Markashh10/21/2015, 2:59:48 AM1 votes

My BIGGEST tip, is to have a duo partner. Trust me, it got me out of Bronze last weekend. I had like a 9 game winning streak with a buddy, and flew into ranked. Honestly, I don't play ranked without a buddy, and only play with someone who you can communicate with, meaning both of you are using Skype, TeamSpeak, Curse, etc. It's just one person who you can assure won't play stupid, and you can coordinate together. Personally when I duo'd we didn't even play roles with synergy often, things like JG/TOP, MID/TOP, and SUP/JG.

TouchpadExpert10/21/2015, 3:09:56 AM1 votes

I'm unranked so my advice may not be up to par with your standards. But I will give it anyway.

One of the most useful skills you can have in this game is communication skills. When you log into a pick lobby try to start a discussion with the team. Try to gauge the demeanor of your teammates. Try to tell a joke and see how they respond. Those initial 70 seconds can tell you their mood, their willingness to work with the team, if you have a duo, if they are in a rush and whether or not they even speak English. Just important info you can use to answer the question "is this team worth using a dodge?" Now that you're in game ask them how they feel about their match-ups. Or what the game plan is for later on in the game. Perhaps suggest items for certain teammates if X opponent gets ahead. When the game gets started use your pings conservatively but informatively. First person to do something good congratulate them. If they are struggling offer advice before you give it. If they don't want it write them off as a lost lane and focus on someone who is doing well. Inflate that guy's ego and make the player who declined your help jealous for your attention. Come mid or late game remind the team of the plan you made earlier. Have a short discussion on any adaptations you want made to the plan and proceed according. Use your tab and verbally remind teammates of dragon timer or tip someone off when a tower gets low health somewhere. Remind them of ward upgrades. That's a good chunk of what I do every game.

And unrelated, in the login screen look at your opponents. Come up with a game plan on what you plan to do for each opponent in the chance they get fed. What items to build and what techniques you can use to get an advantage over them.

Spud4You10/21/2015, 4:02:48 AM1 votes

As someone who's recently climbed quite a bit in my first season, I feel I have a little bit of advice to give you. Quite honestly when I got placed I was not where I deserved to be and tilted down, which looking at various charts it appears happened to you. What I did following was to look directly at my champ pool, and revise it. Honestly, as much as you might like the champions you play in a season, you have to consider if that champion has the same potential to carry patch after patch with all the changes. It seems like I'm a FOtM player, and honestly, I am a little, but it's because I made a dedication to improving. What's important from this is if you do want to make some changes to your champ pool, practice (spam) them in normals to make sure you can play them to a sufficient level.

It appears you like to play Veigar and as someone that plays Veigar a lot I'd like to give some specific tips. First, I'd watch pros play him recently, in worlds. You honestly can't play Ignite on veigar. He doesn't have early cheese potential unless your opponent really missteps. Teleport is much better for global pressure and getting back to lane and getting a cs advantage. Tear is good in some situations, like vs talon or zed, where you need the mana but then need to rush right into zhonyas so they don't scale, and I do that too. But in an AP matchup, chalice is much better, and here's why. An item that gives Mana regen, a double down on your passive, mana when you get a kill or assist (to get more), AP, and CDR. This is really really valueable. There's nothing that quite compares for this on Veigar. Morellos is fine, but the grevious wounds passive just isn't quite as good because you're bursting, not sustaining, and you have enough AP anyways. Build wise, looks fine, I don't know what you were building into on your last games since you didn't get there, but mana crystal and amp tome look like lich bane, which isn't good... Veigar is ranged enough to want just flat pen or AP, not lich bane because going into auto range with him is really unsafe.

Overall knowledge is really helpful, being able to know what to build when is important in learning a Champion and the game in general, as is theory crafting, and spending time just learning instead of focusing always on playing. Carrying on some of the champions you play is not impossible. Small early gold leads are very easy to turn and snowball for your whole team, not just you. The last piece of advice I want to give is to not cheap yourself out of things you need. Upgrade trinket every game. No exceptions. Unless you surrender at 20, even then, you shouldn't really surrender in ranked unless it's absolutely a stomp. Similarly, don't cheap yourself out on runes. AP quints and Armor yellows are standard, hybrid penetration marks need to go for Magic Pen marks, and CDR Blues are much more cost efficent than AP blues with regards to AP as well, especially getting 40% CDR on mages makes them very good for carrying. AS quints over gimmicky Life Steal quints is also a better choice.

Hope this helps, I feel as though I've improved quite a bit and wanted to help you out. Probably turned out a little on the long side, but oh well.

Malaborath10/21/2015, 7:06:05 AM1 votes

You were tilted. this happened to me too, as you can see from my op.gg (https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Malaborath), you need to take a break. As do I.

pxst10/21/2015, 1:02:41 PM1 votes

I don't quite understand why low elo players tend to build full ap supports tho but I can tell you it is easily fall behind because supports is lack of gold unless you totally destroy enemy bot taking a lot of kills which don't quite happen all the time , better buy sightstone because warding is very important , upgrade your trinket to red or blue , vision helps win games although it will not boost your damage . Vision helps prevent ganks and death. Support always forcus on helping the whole team , bronze usually only have one fed players and they eventually lose cause the money is all on one guy if he dies , the whole team want down. check out my match history and builds on lulu and janna support. Check out some youtube videos as there a lot of video were very useful even when you get gold , how to freeze lane , rotations , objectives. trading , roaming , split pushing , teamcomps were all part of the crucial things helps you win games. Also never rage on teamates , treat them like friends. Look optimistic so you don't get a lot of pressure. btw freelo.gg saids my worse part is dealing damage I was like fuck you man how i suppose deal damage with a sup janna or utility sup got almost 0 ap :P , i only give heal and give utility

Th3 Professor10/22/2015, 3:47:42 AM1 votes

I personally think it's my team's fault.

Main Problem right there I think. I'm only S3 but honestly putting the blame on your team is what kept me from rising from B5 for like 6 months. As soon as I started saying, "ok they are going to do their thing, how can I improve," the climb went much faster.

Guyy Fieri10/22/2015, 6:48:28 AM1 votes

Hey man. I'm in Silver V but I am there because my mechanics are not great, not my knowledge of the team. Basically, I generally know what needs to be done, I just struggle in game to do so. Anyway, I looked through your Match History, I have some thoughts for you. My notes got a little long because I'm real wordy sometimes but I would love to share them and see if they help. The feedback generally revolves around game sense, warding and build paths just so you know.