Boards›Tips & Tricks

Jungler must get Sightstone?

HangOnOtherBarry·5/5/2015, 11:47:04 AM·6 votes·3,496 views

I need some more experienced players to answer a question for me. I recently played a game where I pinged baron and asked someone to ward it because I (as Khazix jungle with sweeper trinket) had already used the last of my stealth wards. Our support proceeded to tell me to do it, I said i was out. Then i was yelled at for not buying a sightstone.

I was told the jungle is always meant to buy it and that's why i was bronze 5, which is funny because i have not tried ranked, so I am technically not even that good. I made the rookie mistake of saying i dont think Khazix buys sightstone (i usually buy stealth wards and upgrade sweeper, or just upgrade the yellow stealth trinket). I was then lectured on how i was bad, it was my fault we were doing bad, and every jungle buys sightstone.

I am relatively new to the game and may be wrong, but isnt a sightstone kind of a waste of an item slot for a junger usually (excluding Lee Sin who benefits from it greatly)?. I feel like I have rarely, if not never, seen an opposing or ally jungler buy it. Both the support and ADC in that game were adamant i was wrong and continued to yell at me.

Can someone with more experience in the jungle, maybe even a khazix main, give me some insight on this? If i should be buying a SS, and focusing way more on vision? I'll do that if its right but I feel like its cost and space in my items is not worth it.

For the record, I finished the game 18/6/16 and honestly I think the game would have ended 20 minutes earlier without my play keeping us barely in it. Heres a link to the match history if anyone wants to see if I am as bad as I am told I am. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1813956525/223448144?tab=overview. I thought I did good that game and this is the first time I have been yelled at when I thought I was doing good. Usually I am doing terrible when someone decides to berate me, and at least it kind of makes sense at that point

27 Comments

Wimbledofy5/5/2015, 1:25:56 PM6 votes

Your bot was trolling you. No way would someone adamantly try to tell you that you need a sightstone on a jungler. Junglers do not build sightstones excpet for rare occasions. Or its possible the bot lane was new, saw a vid of lee sin jung and assumed every jungler had to build sightstone. Do not worry, you were correct about not needing to buy a sightstone. Sorry about noone else giving you a straight answer.

Shogunai5/5/2015, 2:49:43 PM4 votes

I've actually played a fair share of all roles with the exception of top an mid lane, as far as sightstone purchase support is the only role where its mandatory. Now in the current meta tank junglers benefit from sightstone because of the health bonus so you will often see it in their item builds. Assassin junglers like Rengar, Kha'zix for example don't normally buy a sightstone an just buy a ward or two on each shop trip. Lee Sin on the other hand is a jungler that has sightstone in his core because is abilities allows him to be more mobile with it so you will see a sightstone in his build. I run sightstone on junglers like Nunu for example because he is a style of jungler that pushes objectives an he has great sustain so he doesn't have to go back an shop as often. He has superior counter jungling as well, so its essential to know exactly where the enemy jungler because Nunu can farm the entire jungle both sides in 1 trip if he gets the chance.

So to answer your question, Sightstone on a jungler is a situational buy however vision is essential an takes full team participation to be successful.

Ice Weasel X5/5/2015, 12:11:54 PM4 votes

I'm no jungler (support's the only role I enjoy really), so I'm far from the authority on whether Kha'Zix should get a Sightstone as a typical item. You certainly didn't avoid warding, seeing as you warded more than the enemy jungler and everyone on your team other than your support. A Sightstone would've been cheaper in the long run for the amount of wards you used, but that doesn't mean buying a few with the spare gold you had was the wrong way to go. You were still warding. Your KDA was strong, and you had the highest kill participation on your team. Your damage dealt/taken show you were a significant contributor, and not just a last-hitter.

I can't really say for sure how well you jungled, but your teammates may have just been looking for any flimsy excuse to put the blame on you for the loss.

TurtleStacks5/5/2015, 1:38:58 PM3 votes

The guy was mad and looking for someone to blame. The jungler is an easy target especially if they aren't doing their job right, but you were so he pulled some bullshit out of his ass. No you dont need to buy a sightstone as a jungler. Just report people like that for negative attitude and tell them its ok to be mad. He should probably check some guides too.

Tribbles Foxfolk5/6/2015, 3:11:58 AM2 votes

{quoted}

I need some more experienced players to answer a question for me. I recently played a game where I pinged baron and asked someone to ward it because I (as Khazix jungle with sweeper trinket) had already used the last of my stealth wards. Our support proceeded to tell me to do it, I said i was out. Then i was yelled at for not buying a sightstone.

I was told the jungle is always meant to buy it and that's why i was bronze 5, which is funny because i have not tried ranked, so I am technically not even that good. I made the rookie mistake of saying i dont think Khazix buys sightstone (i usually buy stealth wards and upgrade sweeper, or just upgrade the yellow stealth trinket). I was then lectured on how i was bad, it was my fault we were doing bad, and every jungle buys sightstone.

I am relatively new to the game and may be wrong, but isnt a sightstone kind of a waste of an item slot for a junger usually (excluding Lee Sin who benefits from it greatly)?. I feel like I have rarely, if not never, seen an opposing or ally jungler buy it. Both the support and ADC in that game were adamant i was wrong and continued to yell at me.

Can someone with more experience in the jungle, maybe even a khazix main, give me some insight on this? If i should be buying a SS, and focusing way more on vision? I'll do that if its right but I feel like its cost and space in my items is not worth it.

For the record, I finished the game 18/6/16 and honestly I think the game would have ended 20 minutes earlier without my play keeping us barely in it. Heres a link to the match history if anyone wants to see if I am as bad as I am told I am. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1813956525/223448144?tab=overview. I thought I did good that game and this is the first time I have been yelled at when I thought I was doing good. Usually I am doing terrible when someone decides to berate me, and at least it kind of makes sense at that point

Typically, Assassin junglers do NOT buy Sightstone, either Greater Stealth (Upgraded Green), Greater Vision (Upgraded Pink), or Oracle's Lens (Upgraded Red).

However, it is still a good buy on all junglers regardless of role if: A) The support refuses to buy one for some reason, B) Vision is lacking despite having 4+ wards available at all times, C) You can afford it outright without waiting, D) You don't already have an Upgraded Vision Trinket, and/or E) You're playing Lee Sin.

Personally, I always buy Greater Stealth as SOON as I hit 9, get 3 wards placed down, go back to buy after a while, and immediately swap for Oracle's. That's just me, though, so you do you.

Duke Anax5/5/2015, 12:00:36 PM2 votes

I often get it on Alistar but then he is a Tank. On Kha'Six I would only do it situationally.

Generally when you wanna place more than six wards in a game and can afford the gold upfront, Sightstone is worth getting even if you sell it later for a sixth.item.

Fewtas5/5/2015, 2:12:40 PM2 votes

It really depends on how much your team needs map awareness and the jungler your playing. The more carry junglers like Khazix, Vi, and (she still is a jungler) Diana shouldn't get one, because there builds optimize the amount of damage that they can do. Here's what I do instead up until I'm nearly full build, I continuously by pinks and greens to place around the map. Then, once I'm close enough to full build that I can't use them anymore, I'll have either of the upgraded yellow trinkets.

RussoRed5/5/2015, 11:55:00 AM2 votes

its not manditory but you atleast need it if your going a tankie jungler likeNautilus Hecarim but it wouldent hurt to buy it on others as well helps with counter jungling and defending your buffs

T RexHasLongLegs5/5/2015, 7:32:34 PM1 votes

jungle doesn't buy sight stone if it doesn't fit your build. Love it on lee sin or nunu or something where you want to be in their jungle and health is a good stat but on kha it is a gold waste.

I will say that in bronze (esp low bronze) ALWAYS go upgraded yellow trinket for the double ward. It helps you have ward up for times like that since you can store two charges so if you drop one and suddenly realize you need another for drag or baron there is a chance you have it. It is better than sweep 90% of the time in low elo bc there isn't enough vision usually and between buying a pink or two and using smite on raptors you don't need sweep unless you want if for upgrade to deal w/ invis in team fights (ie rengar, akali, etc on the other team)

IcyPepper5/5/2015, 7:46:13 PM1 votes

It's actually not bad on cinderhulk junglers with utility, since the hp it gives and the bonus hp you already have makes up for you could have had.

I've been waiting forever to finally try it, but I did it on Vi for her passive and it works. I'm sure it could work on the likes of Nautilus, Shen if you can jungle with him, and Volibear.

PandahHeart5/5/2015, 9:52:24 PM1 votes

I'm in silver and the only jungler that I see that builds a sight stone is Lee, for jumping mostly. In the LCS almost all of the junglers build sight stone but that is so their team can have extra vision, plus its the LCS lol. If I were you, I would just upgrade the yellow so you can get 2 trinkets plus every 60 seconds you get a new ward. Usually the support and the mid laner (sometimes) get the sweeper so you don't have to worry so much on getting rid of the enemies ward.

YOUGOTKILLEDBRO5/5/2015, 10:24:30 PM1 votes

You are not in the lcs, so no sightsone is really needed.

Hellpyre5/6/2015, 3:23:35 AM1 votes

Sightstone is a useful item, but for junglers it is not mandatory. Generally, some junglers that can use wards to move (such as Lee Sin) or who find themselves unable to follow enemies through a bush because of point and click abilities get more use out of it, and others (such as Kha'Zix) only get the vision. While that vision is useful, there are any number of different items you could build if the situation damands it and have them be much better choices for you.

I would recommend, however, getting a sightstone if you find that you aren't otherwise contributing to your team, since vision is a team-wide resource and the jungler is generally the champion on a team who moves around the largest portion of the map.

theflopster135/6/2015, 4:44:35 AM1 votes

I main Kha'zix and i never buy one unless no one else has one, it just seems like a waste of an item slot on an assassin. You could buy one until you start your last item then sell to clear out the last slot, however usually an upgraded trinket on the entire team and a Sight stone on the supp should suffice for the entire team. Also if you weren't playing ranked then you really do not need one at all just the upgraded trinket should definitely be enough.

Thats my opinion

Treyen5/6/2015, 9:49:00 AM1 votes

sightstone, no..you CAN buy it of course but it's generally not needed. Pinks, on the other hand, everyone should buy and use...too many damn games go by where no one except the support is putting down pinks. Personally it doesn't matter what role im in, if i'm at shop and have an extra 100g(and an open slot) i get a pink.

junglerboy165/6/2015, 2:42:49 PM1 votes

tank junglers buy sightstone, an assassin like Kha'zix can't afford to drop early damage for vision like that, and the fact that you still bought wards anyway shows that you were actually in the right in that situation (it would have been just the same if you ran out of ward charges on sightstone, if you're out, the support should help, it is their job to control vision with you.

Mr Borg5/6/2015, 2:43:35 PM1 votes

I main jungle, usually tanks. I need the last item slot for thornmail or abyssal since my jungle item can't be sold anymore like before cinderhulk (not saying those items always come last, but since I main Zac he has a pretty clear optimal build path and that's really the only flexible item). I do build sightstone on lee (obvious) and nunu (since I'll be counterjungling all game).

In most cases, no, dint build sightstone, especially because lanes have amazing upgraded trinkets now

Sockenfreack5/5/2015, 1:21:27 PM1 votes

Sightstone is not needed as a jungler. I mean junglers have to rush their jungle item (At least devour, and magus ) which costs a lot of money. Then we need a decent clear time. Sightstone is not helping with that. We need to be mobile. All that is not cheap. Now imagine u have to spend 400 of your gold for a few lousy hp and wards. Sure it's usfull but on udyr the Ruby Crystal or the longswoard and a Heath pot is more usfull for me. Especially early. On lee sin I buy it b/c it is improving my mobility.

Back to the warding. When I'm the jungler I want to have my jungle item ready at minute 9 till then I'll just ward with my yellow trinket. After I got my item and a little basics I buy wards. I buy 2 stealth wards and a pink. The pink goes the baron on goes in the brush by the dragon and one normaly is a deep ward in the enemy jungle by bot for counter ganks and counter jungling.

Some pplz complain but a 10/2.3/6.7 KDA and a 76% win rate with Udyr shows its working. Same with zed jungle 18.3/7.7/5.3 KDA (only 3 games recently) and a 100% win rate Zed

So just keep the haters hatin and enjoy your game however u wanna play it

DragonJLove5/5/2015, 1:49:03 PM1 votes

ok so im not that good of a jungler but a jungler shouldnt need to buy sightstone unless they are a lee sin which a good lee sin can ward jump

Karlyr5/5/2015, 2:06:57 PM1 votes

If you are playing a supportive jungler, it could honnestly be a good idea to get Sightstone + Red sweeper. Nunu Nautilus Maokai For example.

But as Kha'Zix, your only reason for being in this game is to assassinate. Getting Sightstone will delay your build from 800 gold.

item 3714 -> Damage items. (I'm not playing Kha'Zix enough to give you a full build path)

So essentially getting Sightstone delays your build from 800g without bringing much for you.

Gym Leader Yaki5/5/2015, 2:40:38 PM1 votes

I haven't really seen a sightstone on a jungler in 4 years of League. Aside from a couple Lee Sin's before the trinket had the ability to hold 2 wards or the random dude that wanted to try out a different build. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's very uncommon... to me anyways.

Armstice5/5/2015, 5:51:51 PM1 votes

Situational item at best. Only go that route when my champ has a ward jump or when facing a heavy counter jungler

Serevas5/5/2015, 7:07:29 PM1 votes

You typically only see sightstone junglers when the person is playing Nunu, or in ranked 5s, and that's also situational. As Kha'zix I'd probably question you FOR buying a sightstone because he's intended to carry and its way beyond sub optimal for Kha'zix to have a sightstone.

The Bearded Bard5/5/2015, 7:10:33 PM1 votes

Why not just upgrade yellow trinket for the same thing but only 250 gold and doesn't take an item slot?

spenclizard5/5/2015, 7:46:02 PM

I a lot of times will jungle and not use any wards at all, in my opinion the jungles should try to clear out enemy wards while the support should be the one placing the wards, but since the guy was so butthurt about it, then he should've done it himself.