Recurve items are too strong

The Ecdysiast·7/8/2019, 7:35:09 AM·26 votes·11,436 views

Not that the effects need to be changed, but some of the effects of recurve bow items need to be swapped with other item combos. Recurve bow is just way too much of a priority.

(Note: this issue would still persist even after they fix the obvious problems with item-stacking, like Locket)

24 Comments

Turk Derk7/8/2019, 7:57:31 AM11 votes

Rageblade and Rapid Fire Cannon are must have items that can break the game compared all of the other items, but maybe I'm just bad at the game who knows.

hrooza dota 7/8/2019, 9:55:20 AM6 votes

i think the problem is the stat it self increase dps and help fill your mana pool at the same time.

Sidernar7/8/2019, 2:56:58 PM3 votes

i used to be a recurve zombie(building RFC every chance), try to force yourself to pick other items. you will find in different cases different items are op.

i've really liked red buff/morello's lately for early game, and tank items are a great way to close out a win(DC and PD are busted for late game).

not discounting that locket stack is the current "broken" thing.

remember, yordles die to magic damage too....

Pxerkza7/8/2019, 7:57:28 AM2 votes

BF swords and Tears create the most OP items for all champions that cast spells and rely on them Large rods and Chain vests are really important for current sorc comps meta 2x negatron cloaks make you immune to spell caster comps

Id say only RFC is OP because it's useful for assassins rangers and gunslingers and it takes 2 recurves while the other items are more specialized

Kalixin7/9/2019, 12:49:58 AM1 votes

Phantom dancer: If an attack were to be dodged, unit takes 5-10% of the damage they would have taken. Rapidfire Cannon: if an attack would have hit a unit, the attack only hits 50-75% damage

Instead of full negating the entire attack, just reduce the damage taken or dealt. Easy.

And maybe make guinsoos 2.5% instead of 3. I feel 2 may be overkill. Especially if items get balanced properly. 3% would not be as bad.

Pierce The Veal7/9/2019, 12:47:51 PM1 votes

It’s funny how good recurve items are:

Sword of the divine: gives you 100% crits Phantom dancer: counters sword of the divine and crit in general by making them miss Rapidfire cannon counters phantom dancer and all other dodge/miss scenarios while boosting range to a ridiculous extent. The best damage item for a tank? Titanic hydra. A nuke every few seconds? Botrk is a god tier item making someone join the op guilds. The only thing that’s not so great is shrink.

Edit: since people are a little daft, I was pointing out that the only solid counter to recurve items are other recurve items.

Z3Sleeper7/8/2019, 5:49:58 PM1 votes

I think we can chalk this more up to other items being ass.

They need to remove AP scaling entirely from items, cuz they've been balancing them around that and thus making those items worse for everyone else ex. Ludens, Ionic Spark and Locket.

Ludens needs to be fixed already, it still deals 100 spell damage.

Seraphs just feels subpar on everyone other than Yasuo, Akali and Lucian and should probably refund like 30% mana rather than a flat 20 (hell you can even make it 50% as long as you don't allow them to stack).

Hush needs to be on every hit, not just a "high chance" cuz the moment the RNG doesn't work and they cast a spell the entire point of the item is moot. It also builds out of Mana + MR making the stats extremely unwanted.

Which brings me to MR needs to be buffed. Any MR item for the purpose of reducing magic damage outside Dragon's Claw just absolutely sucks. Nerf Dragon's Claw if you have to but for the love of god buff MR in general. I'm not saying BT isn't amazing, I'm just saying the MR stat itself is too low to reduce spell damage by any meaningful amount.

Disarm is actually nuts but it builds out of Armor + MR when you typically want this on a backline carry who can apply the effect fast and repeatedly throughout the fight and potentially to multiple targets (Gunslingers).

Unusual midlaner7/8/2019, 10:30:36 PM1 votes

laughs in phantom dancer

MalignMetal7/8/2019, 11:22:04 PM1 votes

Tft isn't balanced yet