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Titanic Hydra, Berserkers, Glacials, Olaf etc.

Ipheya·12/18/2019, 11:41:59 PM·5 votes·5,134 views

Hello, I'm a casual TFT player, so I don't play ranked games ( I played some up until silver ) and I much prefer to explore the combinations that the game mode can offer ( which are lots! ) even at the cost of losing many games.

The thing that I like most about TFT and I'm sure many will agree is the possibility to create **endless **types of team compositions with **whatever carries **you want, and whatever Item builds you can think of. But not all comps are as viable... I know very well that not every silly comp that I could think of must be as viable as every other comp. But it's undeniable that some comps perform better than others. There are also some sort of counters between the standard comps but that's not a major issue.

In the last two matches I had, I was lucky enough to test what in my opinion are one of the two "highest potential" scenarios for item 3748 , an Item often overlooked and definitely not as popular as say item 3124 item 3165 item 3083 or item 3046 . And there are good reasons for that. The items viability are (obviously) determined by the champion using it and the team comp they are in. Some items are always viable, but that's not an issue. An item can very well be always viable, such as Dragon's Claw, or just in certain situations, such as Seraph's Embrace.

Here are some quick exemples : Mages, Druids, Rangers, Mystics, Wardens can all benefit from item 3040 . Sure, some more than others, but all do. Blademasters, Lights, Infernos, Clouds can all benefit from item 3046 , so on and forth.

However with item 3748 , I think that it has potential only in one single comp.

Now I'll show you two different matches where I attempt to reach the max potential of item 3748 just for fun. These are the only two comps that I could think of being actually "viable" and suited for the item. Let me know if there other options. And at the end I'll also rant about why one comp does it better than the other.

item 3748 Deals an additional 3% of the user's max HP as magic damage to the target and the adjacent enemies behind in a cone. So my first thought was : let's get berserkers the maximum amount of HP possible. Since the primary parameter for dealing damage is HP. So i waited until I found a match with the Mountain Map, then immediately hyper rolled for Nasus . Nasus is the ideal because he can gain 2000 HP from his ability combined with 2 Rabadon's, and that HP counts towards Hydra's damage.

Here are the results :

Here's Titanic Hydra's damage before using his ability and after. https://imgur.com/a/0I6eq8h https://imgur.com/a/F8UV4Sj And here's Nasus HP during overtime. https://imgur.com/a/8EriETg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf3wd0URYyM&feature=youtu.be

Despite the massive HP, the maximum bonus damage that Hydra could deal was 120, and Nasus' attack speed was about 0.75. That is very low compared to the 250 magic damage per second dealt all around him by his Ultimate.

Now this other build with Olaf on the other hand works much better :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTeL5pn-hNc&feature=youtu.be

Here Olaf deals only 38 bonus magic damage with Titanic Hydra, due to his very low HP. But if you slow down the video you'll notice something incredible. Not only **the whole enemy front line is frozen instantly **at start of the round, but he also procs Titanic Hydra twice! One on the **first **target, and the second on the **second row **behind the first targer. increasing the size of the cone and dealing overall much more damage than Nasus.

Add to that the fact that Guinsoo's Rageblade activates 3 or 4 times per attack enabling him to reach 2.5 AS by the 5th second of the round. That means more freezes, more Hydra damage, more Bloodthirster sustain.

Edit I realized that Titanic Hydra is not an unique item, therefore more than one can be equipped. Making it much more effective to stack multiple Titanic Hydras rather than Trying to stack Max HP.

Here's my take on the matter.

Olaf and Berserkers are broken. But Let's say a couple of things first and understand why it is :

Olaf without Guinsoo's Rageblade and **Bloodthirster **is not borken. But these items are really, really easy to obtain.

Olaf without Glacial / Berserker comp is not broken. But these units are really, really easy to find. You can find all the pieces right before level 6 in fact. And with said items they will crush any other comp. You won't even need to roll for 3Star units either, once you're set, you can push for level.

Glacial without Berserkers are not a broken comp. Try running a glacial comp with just Warwick Braum Ezreal and item 3022 and no Berserkers.

**Berserkers without glacials **are not broken. You want to proc your Titanic Hydra, Guinsoo's Rageblade and Sword Breaker 3+ times per attack? Sure go ahead, no problem. When does it become a problem though? It becomes a problem **when 3 or 4 units can freeze in an AOE **with every single attack, this is because while your champion goes literally berserk with Guinsoo's Rageblade, and all the other on hit items, the opponent is permanently stunned.

Before wrapping this up I will make a couple of suggestions that maybe could fix what i believe is a problem.

Olaf's broken powers come from three factors, glacials, berserkers, on hit effects. This applies to Volibear too by the way. Taking away one of these factors can fix them.

Guinsoo's Rageblade and on-hit effects : These can't be changed, every other champion using on hit effect items (except Sivir maybe) is fine. Berserker : All berserker units should be fine using on hit effects, and Olaf without this class and on hit effects would be garbage. All he can do is hit. Glacial : As said before the interaction between the 100% chance to hit everybody in front of you, and even a microscopic chance of stunning one of those targets, combined with the on hit effects is problematic.

So my solution would be just that, **Berserkers can't apply the Glacial **stun except on the first target.

8 Comments

Sire Hippington12/19/2019, 2:17:03 AM2 votes

If you want titanci hydra carries, you first of need mountain as the round element so you get the stacking hp from that. Then there are serveral (unusual)carries that worked well for me so far:

  • Yasuo, he might not get as insane hp numbers as nasus, but as a blademaster he attacks very frequently , and his ult will proc it 4/5/6 times at once. He hard carried me to first place more than once

  • Jax, similar to yasuo he can be optiained right on the start and strt stacking hp from round 1 on, he has a high base AS and can get even more through light, while also haveing the berserker traid to really get massive damage vs grouped up opponents. He also gets really hard to kill with stacking health cause of his dodge. Ideally you have 2 titanic and 1 warmongs, though that's a rare scenariu needing 4 giant belts. Hurrican also is a nice item for that as it synergieses well with the hydra.

  • Sivir if you get her from a creep drop so she can start stacking early. If the positioning is right, her aoe can be insane, multiprocing the hydra on multiple targets. Feels a bit more dependent on a second hydra as the others to really get the damage going, but can get swordbreaker or hush instead of warmongs if your short on belts.

  • Scarner. Also optainable in the first pick for early stacking, gets high AS from his skill, gets really hard to kill with just stacking hp once the crystal traid comes online, and the cone damage from hydra can proc the predator execute.

  • Twitch and lucian should work similar to sivir IF you are lucky enough to find them early on for the mountain stacking. Only found an early twitch once, and i just couldn't get any belts that game...

On the glacial berserker issue: I think glacial, swordbreaker and hush all need reworks. proc based hard CC that with enough AS results in 100% uptime is a toxic design, it was frustrating in set 1 and it reamians frustraiting in set 2. Simply adding a per target cd on this effects would already go a long way and allows to tune the proc chance in a way that even not on-hit focused champs can get some use out of them.

Beteljext1312/19/2019, 4:44:44 PM1 votes

I like putting titanic hydra on a nasus too who sits in the earth rune stacking hp ALL game... with a warmogs too, its hilarious and he'll be my top damage dealer most of the time once he gets above a certain HP.. I've done this with a few others like mundo but nasus is definitely my favorite. I've also tried this with yasuo, it was DECENT but I didnt get the warmogs or another front line going, plus cloud/blademaster are just inherently weak. I like doing this though just because it makes him realllly tanky but also shell out a ton of damage with suitability, I don't do this to turn him into a carry.

I Do like your olaf idea, I thought about doing it but ive gotten hella bored with this set... It is interesting that the berserker passive allows titanic hydra to double/triple dip an aoe effect and probably not intended.