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Curious about Ranked TFT

xSupportalKombat··5 votes·14,724 views

So as tft goes live, and ranked soon to follow, im curious as to how the ranking system will work? I understand that there is definitely a level of skill to the game, but at the same time, there is a massive amount of rng involved. So what im wondering is how the ranking system will reflect skill, not luck. How will the system reward a skilled player vs. a player that has bad/good luck? Does anyone have any insight into this? I know other auto chess ranked exists, but the concept still doesnt make sense to me.

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AIQ1 votes

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xSupportalKombat1 votes

so the LP make sense, wasnt really my question. what im really getting at is that i had roughly a 60% win rate (1-3) for the first few days of playing on pbe. decent rng, decent understanding of the game. now, with my understanding being far better, my WR is maybe 10% at best? some i make bad plays sure, but 90% of the time its bad luck. how does that translate to ranked other than "your bad so u are iron"

AIQ1 votes

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xSupportalKombat1 votes

i think were halfway on the same page. im not really complaining about the game, rng is a thing, and thats how it is. just how it is going to make sense in a ranked setting going forward. also item drops are only 50% of the rng, theres also the matter of champ rolls in shop. lets same game hands u no dups for 3 roubds, but rest of people have 2-3 t2s.

AIQ1 votes

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xSupportalKombat1 votes

thats not a bad idea

Droxstar2 votes

This would be a super good idea but only when they push out more and more Champs like in league itself. Because at some point with around 70-80 different units the rng will get out of hand. Right now it is 50 and it feels decent.

AIQ1 votes

Be cool if they implemented a deck system that required you to pick a certain amount of champions and then you could pick from that to combine etc... Feel more tactical.

Droxstar2 votes

Yes Item drops are a huge disadvantage for a lot of games where you should be no 1 (comb wise) and only get 3rd or 4th place by other people having 3-5 finished items more. Riot just really needs the 1 item per creep round at least protection so even bad luck players have something to rely on. I already posted it on the 3rd day on PBE that they will need this for ranked, because items are broken in this game (most of them at least - looking at you GA)

ChestHairGlory1 votes

i think that the items would be more balanced if they didn't stack, like a pyke with 3 shojins or rageblades is ridiculous for example. it would make the defensive items more relevant and u could itemise against people instead of racing for the most damage items

Droxstar1 votes

90% of the time bad luck? That is not possible. The game isn't perfectly balanced atm so not every combo is as good as some others but with an open mind and great knowledge of all combs, items, counters, what good solo units are, early, mid and lategame your winrate easily can be at 55% and the pros even manage about 60-70% winrate (rank 1-3 in TFT). There is rng but the thing about AutoChess is, that there are so many ways to work around it.

So 90% unlucky games should still result in like 3rd or 4th place. Keep calm, build your plan around that bad luck. I've even seen people come back at 5hp and manage to get 2nd place without more than 1 or 2 synergies, just by building good Champs and max them out while having a good economy (50g) some even go for a 30g strat if they have to force so much to remain in the game.

Questing Beast1 votes

I mean it´s obvious isn´t it? Compare it to games like Hearthstone. Sure there is a lot of rng (if you ask me its even worse in hearthstone). I played Dota Auto Chess for a long time now and at the end of the day you will reach a ranking that represents your skill. And the skill edge in these Auto Chess formats is alot higher then casual players think. I would estimate that the best players will go 65-70% in a 1v1 setting vs an average player. So just look at it like hearthstone, every season in just a couple of days legend players will be legend again, rank 15 will be around that again +/- 2

Katter4201 votes

Well its will probably reward you if u make it to top 3 which first place being alot more rewarding than 2 and 3 but i dnt think there will any notice to luck cause we will all have lucky games but if ur better than an player u will win in the end

AllowainS1 votes

It´s the same as every other game you play in a ranked mode. You can´t control everything! It´s simply not in your hand. But you gotta deal with it. That will set you apart from others, if you are good.

If you play 5v5 on Summoner´s Rift, you control 20% of the game. You can impact others, but you get my point. Now, if you play well more often then you play bad, you will rank up. Until the point when you are where you belong and end up at 50%. I played 3 seasons and for some reason, I get placed bronze everytime (b5, b5, b3). But 1 week later I´m silver, simply because I don´t belong there. It takes me a bit longer, but I´ll get out of silver too. I´m gold, that is where I belong. There I have good games and bad games, but I don´t dominate anymore. It doesn´t matter if I get bad or good teammates, I´ll get out of bronze and silver anyway.

It will be the same in TFT. You might have super unlucky games: you can´t get that one unit you need, creeps don´t drop items, someone took the champ you wanted in the carousel. Happens. It won´t happen everytime. And it happens for the others too. But how you handle it, how flexible you are with what you got will show your skill.

Sorry if this insults you, but you seem to be a "I´m in elo hell"-person. You are so focused on the luck/bad luck aspect of the game, that´s like an excuse. Getting third consistantly is not that hard, even with bad luck. If you have the skills, you´ll get there often enough to rank up. Simple. The more games you play, the more accurate these systems are and the better your skill gets represented by a rank.

Noobj31 votes

Elo hell exists ive beenin bronze V took a 34 win streak to get to bronze IV so yeah it definatly exists getting -40 on losses and yeah figure out the 34 win streak (includes promos) how much points i got on win ^^ (been gold for week too and got demoted xD so yeah im shit)

TheTurtleKing4201 votes

So you're telling me you got a small handful of lp when you win, but lost 40 when you lost? Hard to believe.

Droxstar1 votes

This is legit not an "elo hell" problem. More an mmr problem of yours. If your mmr is iron v but for some reason you are still in bronze v you don't belong there (at least riots mmr system works like this) the system will try to bring you down to a level where you can beat people. That's why you lose so much more than by winning. Bad winrate, bad mmr. Possible but rare.

6Speedy91 votes

Just to put it into perspective, I once queues up for a game. I never loaded in so I had to restart my pc. At stage 2-3 all I had was a blitzcrank with a negatron cloak, and some gold. I ended up getting 3rd places that game, having the worst luck one could have. All it is is understanding how to play from every position and understanding strategy. If you have an unlucky start, try ecoing. Save to 50 gold and try to get a comp where you barely lose every turn. Get to +12 gold a round and eventually you will be able to hold your own if you are good enough to build a comp out if unlucky roles. I once went void dragon and wild and still won so I’m sure you will figure it out.

MonkeyDRage1 votes

can someone tell me when ranked will be pusblished?

hrooza dota 1 votes

good players will always be in top ranks in their games simply put luck wont carry you so far as its not consistence at

i always end up top 4 except for 3 cases.

1- i troll with build [by that i mean i try weird non sense for fun] 2- everyone/many players in game is close in strength and the game become a clutch one where anyone can win 3 which is the rarest - rng fucking me up so hard i end up way below, of course this on is extremely rare case so i dont care much about it.

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