Sona (The real one) Champion Mastery Points (200k+), anyone else gets carried away with theirs?
Mind the losses, still have good end game stats, hoping to look for some decent teams soon for full time support, (or any lane) but jg.
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Commit Sudoku4 votesMastery Points mean nothing, it literally just means you play that Champion a lot it doesn't mean you are good with them. Also, your support playstyle is pretty selfish your job as a support is to provide vision, CC, and utility to the team. Let your Mid Laner and ADC do thier jobs of dealing damage, play mid if you want a good K/D/A. Nearly all support mains I see in silver and bronze build damage when it really isn't what your team needs.
This is why you find the highest ranking sona mains building utility driven items. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=xTc4 (Master, 272 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=notzhep (Diamond 1, 396 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AvadaKedavra+BAM (Diamond 3, 312 games as Sona)
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-07T16:21:57.565+0000)
Mastery Points mean nothing, it literally just means you play that Champion a lot it doesn't mean you are good with them. Also, your support playstyle is pretty selfish your job as a support is to provide vision, CC, and utility to the team. Let your Mid Laner and ADC do thier jobs of dealing damage, play mid if you want a good K/D/A. Nearly all support mains I see in silver and bronze build damage when it really isn't what your team needs.
This is why you find the highest ranking sona mains building utility driven items. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=xTc4 (Master, 272 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=notzhep (Diamond 1, 396 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AvadaKedavra+BAM (Diamond 3, 312 games as Sona)
You're the only one ever said selfish because all the teams I've been in always glad and thanked me for saves or assisting, I make sure at right time, my plays help the team and as in damaging- either they finish it or not whatever because if I can I will, things are done, and you've never played with me before so little lesson for you- not everyone has to be the same with everything, you'll learn something new.
Code1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-07-07T20:31:02.902+0000)
You're the only one ever said selfish because all the teams I've been in always glad and thanked me for saves or assisting, I make sure at right time, my plays help the team and as in damaging- either they finish it or not whatever because if I can I will, things are done, and you've never played with me before so little lesson for you- not everyone has to be the same with everything, you'll learn something new.
He's plat, you're bronze. There's VERY little he can learn from you, and there's so much you could learn from him. Don't be a dick and maybe you'll learn that everything he said is 100% right. If you just followed those Sona's builds and focused on SUPPORTING then you'd probably not be in the bottom of the barrel.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=James BARDen,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-07T20:47:05.481+0000)
He's plat, you're bronze. There's VERY little he can learn from you, and there's so much you could learn from him. Don't be a dick and maybe you'll learn that everything he said is 100% right. If you just followed those Sona's builds and focused on SUPPORTING then you'd probably not be in the bottom of the barrel.
That means nothing either when you keep having non troll teams, cause we've beaten plats before, also my assist rate is high. So hate on cause you surely can't do it.
Commit Sudoku1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-07T22:39:31.379+0000)
That means nothing either when you keep having non troll teams, cause we've beaten plats before, also my assist rate is high. So hate on cause you surely can't do it.
You have never gone against a Plat in ranked its just impossible for you to have done that so you must mean in normals and that really doesnt matter. You would be unable to consistently beat a platinum team that is the difference I have beaten Diamond when I was gold but that doesn't mean I am better then in 1 isolated game against them it is far likely that they would beat me the majority of the time and that is a difference. Every dog has their day. It is a matter of consistency not how well you do in 1 game. In most cases people don't care how good your KDA was in a game this isn't and FPS you don't get more LP for good KDAs all that matters is W/L.
Commit Sudoku1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-07-07T20:31:02.902+0000)
You're the only one ever said selfish because all the teams I've been in always glad and thanked me for saves or assisting, I make sure at right time, my plays help the team and as in damaging- either they finish it or not whatever because if I can I will, things are done, and you've never played with me before so little lesson for you- not everyone has to be the same with everything, you'll learn something new.
Your Win-rate and ranked speak otherwise to the value you really bring to the team damage supports are only complimented by allies that are already winning if you are behind it makes it exponentially harder to get a lead back. I don't need to play with you to understand your playstyle its clear through your history and items. Also nothing you are doing is "new" information when I was bronze and silver it was really the only time I have ever seen full damage supports but as I grew and climbed they disappeared and there is a reason for that and trust me it isn't because the low elo community has stumbled onto something that high elo community doesnt know. The reason is it doesn't work nearly as well as utility supports in most games keyword being MOST. In other words you have a much more likely chance of winning not going full damage.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-08T02:44:59.343+0000)
Your Win-rate and ranked speak otherwise to the value you really bring to the team damage supports are only complimented by allies that are already winning if you are behind it makes it exponentially harder to get a lead back. I don't need to play with you to understand your playstyle its clear through your history and items. Also nothing you are doing is "new" information when I was bronze and silver it was really the only time I have ever seen full damage supports but as I grew and climbed they disappeared and there is a reason for that and trust me it isn't because the low elo community has stumbled onto something that high elo community doesnt know. The reason is it doesn't work nearly as well as utility supports in most games keyword being MOST. In other words you have a much more likely chance of winning not going full damage.
No you wouldn't have a clue to how I play, don't think you know everything,I've set so many kills up that my adc don't jump in a lot of times. So no you don't know anything you're talking about.
Yakas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-07T16:21:57.565+0000)
Mastery Points mean nothing, it literally just means you play that Champion a lot it doesn't mean you are good with them. Also, your support playstyle is pretty selfish your job as a support is to provide vision, CC, and utility to the team. Let your Mid Laner and ADC do thier jobs of dealing damage, play mid if you want a good K/D/A. Nearly all support mains I see in silver and bronze build damage when it really isn't what your team needs.
This is why you find the highest ranking sona mains building utility driven items. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=xTc4 (Master, 272 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=notzhep (Diamond 1, 396 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AvadaKedavra+BAM (Diamond 3, 312 games as Sona)
Lower elo is different from master. Utility builds require your team to follow up but that is very rare in bronze through gold.
Code1 votesLower elo is different from master. Utility builds require your team to follow up but that is very rare in bronze through gold.
No they don't, getting a sightstone will help your team from getting caught which is way more likely in B4 than masters. And the chance of the enemy facechcking into a warded bush is higher too. Obviously there are huge differences but you can't just play sup like an ap mid and expect results. This dudes decent KDA but trash win rate proves it.
Yakas1 votes[{quoted}](name=James BARDen,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-07T21:44:14.143+0000)
No they don't, getting a sightstone will help your team from getting caught which is way more likely in B4 than masters. And the chance of the enemy facechcking into a warded bush is higher too. Obviously there are huge differences but you can't just play sup like an ap mid and expect results. This dudes decent KDA but trash win rate proves it.
Sightstone is always a must. I'm talking more of ritous glory, zzrot (never really like it anyways) and basically stuff that allows your team team to follow up which they never truly do in time in that elo anyways.
Commit Sudoku1 votesLower elo is different from master. Utility builds require your team to follow up but that is very rare in bronze through gold.
i started the season silver 3 and i built full utility on my supports utility does require your allies to follow up. what involvement do your allies have to do with you buying auras like frozen heart and locket of iron solari that just hinders enemies through your utility, cruicible saves your allies from mistakes they make the only thing they need to do for you to use that is get caught. under valuing the power of utility is a huge reason bronze stay bronze.
Yakas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2015-07-08T02:40:11.169+0000)
i started the season silver 3 and i built full utility on my supports utility does require your allies to follow up. what involvement do your allies have to do with you buying auras like frozen heart and locket of iron solari that just hinders enemies through your utility, cruicible saves your allies from mistakes they make the only thing they need to do for you to use that is get caught. under valuing the power of utility is a huge reason bronze stay bronze.
Again, when u say utility, please don't include sightstone. And things like frozen heart are not utility, when I say utility, I mean speed buffs, or shields that can lead to outplays, although useful if your adc gets caught out, it's better to build alot of ap on sona to make up for, an enemy team with alot of poke, or continous slow damage thaf you can pull 3 heals/shields off before your team gives out. And ofc things are situational but when I play supp I build what I need to make the most of my team so if, the off chance that my adc is good, I build peeling items if not, I build what I need to survive and distract.
Commit Sudoku1 votesAgain, when u say utility, please don't include sightstone. And things like frozen heart are not utility, when I say utility, I mean speed buffs, or shields that can lead to outplays, although useful if your adc gets caught out, it's better to build alot of ap on sona to make up for, an enemy team with alot of poke, or continous slow damage thaf you can pull 3 heals/shields off before your team gives out. And ofc things are situational but when I play supp I build what I need to make the most of my team so if, the off chance that my adc is good, I build peeling items if not, I build what I need to survive and distract.
Why shouldn't Sight Stone and Frozen Heart be considered utility they still HELP allies don't they. Hindering your opponents Stats is no different than Buffing Allies stats and vision is most certainly utility even though it doesn't directly help allies in combat it helps them avert from risky situations or find openings that can get them a lead.
Yakas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00000001000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-08T16:04:00.690+0000)
Why shouldn't Sight Stone and Frozen Heart be considered utility they still HELP allies don't they. Hindering your opponents Stats is no different than Buffing Allies stats and vision is most certainly utility even though it doesn't directly help allies in combat it helps them avert from risky situations or find openings that can get them a lead.
Sightstone again doesn't count. It's a must and always will be, frozen heart however only affects 1 person IF they attack you. I'd count randuins as a good utility item for low elo supp though because of the as slow, active slow, health and armor.
See what I mean? There are different items and some do play a purpose but others can do there job but better. The better Is utility. Stop trying to think like your challenger and start trying to think like a bronze through silver player. It makes a large difference.
Commit Sudoku1 votesSightstone again doesn't count. It's a must and always will be, frozen heart however only affects 1 person IF they attack you. I'd count randuins as a good utility item for low elo supp though because of the as slow, active slow, health and armor.
See what I mean? There are different items and some do play a purpose but others can do there job but better. The better Is utility. Stop trying to think like your challenger and start trying to think like a bronze through silver player. It makes a large difference.
literally face palmed when i saw this Frozen Heart effects all enemies in range of the AURA its not like randuins where they have to attack you first. You obviously just didnt know this so I won't chew you out just read the tool tips.
Yakas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000000100010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-09T02:41:41.771+0000)
literally face palmed when i saw this Frozen Heart effects all enemies in range of the AURA its not like randuins where they have to attack you first. You obviously just didnt know this so I won't chew you out just read the tool tips.
You sure. When I say 1 person I mean that there is only 1 adc. If there is another ad champ with as, they prob stacked so much as that it doesn't even matter. And when I say if they attack you, I mean that they have to be attack range if not closer. The auras aren't as big as you think. Please, I wasn't the top of my eglish class but thinking about what I said would have saved you a useless post.
Commit Sudoku1 votesYou sure. When I say 1 person I mean that there is only 1 adc. If there is another ad champ with as, they prob stacked so much as that it doesn't even matter. And when I say if they attack you, I mean that they have to be attack range if not closer. The auras aren't as big as you think. Please, I wasn't the top of my eglish class but thinking about what I said would have saved you a useless post.
adc are not the only champions that benefit from Attack Speed many many many champions scale well with AS even some AP champions like Azir and Teemo. You have to think about Fiora, Tryndamere, Yi as the Melee Carries and most other champions you can reducing AS is far more beneficial than you think against Rek'Sai, Lee Sin, Nautilus, and Vi you can reduce there potential DPS. Against Melee champions you are reducing a lot of damage if you are peeling for your squishies. I don't expect you to really realize the effect that this has in game because like most utility from aura's it is generally an unseen advantage you can't see your self taking less damage from locket or frozen heart as much as you can See your Zhonya's protecting your or your Luden's Echo procing or your Bloodthirster Shield. It is something that is done in the background and less noticable than other things which is why some people low elo don't feel like it is doing anything. With damage items you can directly see a positive correlation with the items you buy oh hey my X skill deals X amount more damage now yay.
Just to put in perspective here are all the champs that you can potentially worth building frozen heart against its not that they are innately great with attack speed but imagine if you were able to slow lulu's pix damage enough that your adc would survive and encounter rather than die. Or that kennen's W doesnt come up often enough causing a member of your team not to be stunned and make the catch needed to get a kill. It is like I said these things won't directly be seen by players but they have a much larger impact than you may think. EVERY POINT COUNTS you gotta remember every tiny minuscule stat will effect an outcome of a fight that and player skill, position, etc.
Yakas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000000010001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-09T04:05:58.696+0000)
adc are not the only champions that benefit from Attack Speed many many many champions scale well with AS even some AP champions like Azir and Teemo. You have to think about Fiora, Tryndamere, Yi as the Melee Carries and most other champions you can reducing AS is far more beneficial than you think against Rek'Sai, Lee Sin, Nautilus, and Vi you can reduce there potential DPS. Against Melee champions you are reducing a lot of damage if you are peeling for your squishies. I don't expect you to really realize the effect that this has in game because like most utility from aura's it is generally an unseen advantage you can't see your self taking less damage from locket or frozen heart as much as you can See your Zhonya's protecting your or your Luden's Echo procing or your Bloodthirster Shield. It is something that is done in the background and less noticable than other things which is why some people low elo don't feel like it is doing anything. With damage items you can directly see a positive correlation with the items you buy oh hey my X skill deals X amount more damage now yay.
Just to put in perspective here are all the champs that you can potentially worth building frozen heart against its not that they are innately great with attack speed but imagine if you were able to slow lulu's pix damage enough that your adc would survive and encounter rather than die. Or that kennen's W doesnt come up often enough causing a member of your team not to be stunned and make the catch needed to get a kill. It is like I said these things won't directly be seen by players but they have a much larger impact than you may think. EVERY POINT COUNTS you gotta remember every tiny minuscule stat will effect an outcome of a fight that and player skill, position, etc.
OK and then there are champs thaf stack attack speed so 20% doesn't matter. Also azir? He won't be in range of the aura. And champs like fizz where they lay down 1 attack to kill you? You can't be serious. Might as well lay every champ down in that list if you categorize like that...
Commit Sudoku1 votesOK and then there are champs thaf stack attack speed so 20% doesn't matter. Also azir? He won't be in range of the aura. And champs like fizz where they lay down 1 attack to kill you? You can't be serious. Might as well lay every champ down in that list if you categorize like that...
you really can know whether or not a champion will or will not be in range of the aura playing malphite into azir when played right almost garuntees that azir will be in range. also attack speed is based on a ratio and the aura is effective because it reduced that ratio after all other attack speed is applied 2.5 attack speed is the max attack speed that is 2.5 auto attacks per second reduce that by 15% you get 2 auto attacks per second you reduce the dps from 10 autos every 4 seconds to 8.52 autos (potentially 2 crits off the table, potentially only 2 procs of silver bolts applied rather than 3, potentially 2 W heal procs from aatrox rather than 3) and if you dont think that is a lot of damage reduced then you just don't want to admit you are wrong. Just because a champion stacks attack speed doesnt make Frozen Heart useless the fact that champions build a lot of attack speed actually makes it more effective you are taking 15% of auto attack DPS. No matter what way you cut it reducing attack speed will help your team no matter what it may not help a lot but it helps. Also the range is really not that low the aura has a range of 700, Caitlyn's Auto attack range is 650 just to put it in perspective for you.Also fizz commonly builds On-Hit tank rather than Lich Bane now a days so reducing his attack speed does help a lot so if you see him top lane or jungle that is probably what he will do.
Also in effective gold without the aura and without excluding stacking items (soul stealer and occult) frozen heart is the most gold efficient item in the game.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-07T16:21:57.565+0000)
Mastery Points mean nothing, it literally just means you play that Champion a lot it doesn't mean you are good with them. Also, your support playstyle is pretty selfish your job as a support is to provide vision, CC, and utility to the team. Let your Mid Laner and ADC do thier jobs of dealing damage, play mid if you want a good K/D/A. Nearly all support mains I see in silver and bronze build damage when it really isn't what your team needs.
This is why you find the highest ranking sona mains building utility driven items. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=xTc4 (Master, 272 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=notzhep (Diamond 1, 396 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AvadaKedavra+BAM (Diamond 3, 312 games as Sona)
All those listed have horrible overall stats, all you have to troll about is build, their assists are nowhere near mine as also I'm a new player.
Code1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2015-07-08T04:54:32.037+0000)
All those listed have horrible overall stats, all you have to troll about is build, their assists are nowhere near mine as also I'm a new player.
Literally all have more assists than you just FYI
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=James BARDen,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2015-07-09T00:46:37.208+0000)
Literally all have more assists than you just FYI
FOr you slow no-brained retardedness, I've only played 2-3 months and new player, so hate on more, you're garbgae.
Code1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000000200000000,timestamp=2015-07-10T21:51:31.712+0000)
FOr you slow no-brained retardedness, I've only played 2-3 months and new player, so hate on more, you're garbgae.
That means that what you said is now correct, kk.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-07T16:21:57.565+0000)
Mastery Points mean nothing, it literally just means you play that Champion a lot it doesn't mean you are good with them. Also, your support playstyle is pretty selfish your job as a support is to provide vision, CC, and utility to the team. Let your Mid Laner and ADC do thier jobs of dealing damage, play mid if you want a good K/D/A. Nearly all support mains I see in silver and bronze build damage when it really isn't what your team needs.
This is why you find the highest ranking sona mains building utility driven items. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=xTc4 (Master, 272 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=notzhep (Diamond 1, 396 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AvadaKedavra+BAM (Diamond 3, 312 games as Sona)
Just spectated 2 of "notzhep" games and he sucks. I'm way more teamplayer.
Wickedfates1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-07-07T16:21:57.565+0000)
Mastery Points mean nothing, it literally just means you play that Champion a lot it doesn't mean you are good with them. Also, your support playstyle is pretty selfish your job as a support is to provide vision, CC, and utility to the team. Let your Mid Laner and ADC do thier jobs of dealing damage, play mid if you want a good K/D/A. Nearly all support mains I see in silver and bronze build damage when it really isn't what your team needs.
This is why you find the highest ranking sona mains building utility driven items. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=xTc4 (Master, 272 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=notzhep (Diamond 1, 396 games as Sona) http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=AvadaKedavra+BAM (Diamond 3, 312 games as Sona)
i would actually disagree with this a lil bit.... i think that the elo matters a lot for your build, and that lower elo supports need to have more damage, more defense
thanx btw, good to have some sona builds i can look at
Saint Ambitions1 votesima i say that your builds are a tad selfish but it works all i think you need to do is buy a sightstone then you can go damage like left for zed said utility is better but thats what you build and if it works it works but all you need is a sightstone
Code1 votes[{quoted}](name=Find Creations,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-07T20:37:01.700+0000)
ima i say that your builds are a tad selfish but it works all i think you need to do is buy a sightstone then you can go damage like left for zed said utility is better but thats what you build and if it works it works but all you need is a sightstone
It's not even a tad selfish, he's losing his teams games. The games he wins are when he gets carried, KDA notwithstanding he's not doing his job as a support.
Saint Ambitions1 votes[{quoted}](name=James BARDen,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-07T20:45:39.353+0000)
It's not even a tad selfish, he's losing his teams games. The games he wins are when he gets carried, KDA notwithstanding he's not doing his job as a support.
im not saying that the build is good but everyone has their build is this build is selfis but he wont change his build the best thing he can do is buy a sightstone if he/she wants to climb higher then bronze
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=James BARDen,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-07-07T20:45:39.353+0000)
It's not even a tad selfish, he's losing his teams games. The games he wins are when he gets carried, KDA notwithstanding he's not doing his job as a support.
Were you there to watch the games? No stop being so typical, we win teamfights and objectives when I'm around, something you obviously don't know about is teamplay.
Balle1 votesReasons why you're Bronze:
Code1 votes43% w/r. And if you bought a sightstone you'd probably be low silver with a less shit w/r.
j b1 votesThe current way you build and play does look very selfish even if the team thanks you it doesnt mean that you are doing the right thing, its like the blind leading the blind as a support main who hit ended the season as challenger in 5v5 teams i can tell you that the build you are following is pretty awful and not to keep it up, listen to the others that posted and build sightstone and more support items, your job is not to do a ton of dmg and everything , its simply to support your team and help your carries, your overall winrate is 35% in ranked after so many games, you clearly arnt trying to learn from others and improve if you have played over 150+ games and are still below a 50% win rate.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=j b,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-07-07T21:49:21.138+0000)
The current way you build and play does look very selfish even if the team thanks you it doesnt mean that you are doing the right thing, its like the blind leading the blind as a support main who hit ended the season as challenger in 5v5 teams i can tell you that the build you are following is pretty awful and not to keep it up, listen to the others that posted and build sightstone and more support items, your job is not to do a ton of dmg and everything , its simply to support your team and help your carries, your overall winrate is 35% in ranked after so many games, you clearly arnt trying to learn from others and improve if you have played over 150+ games and are still below a 50% win rate.
As I said, mind the wins, you get random people all the time that screws it up and afks and such, you don't watch or play my games, keep trolling and hate on.
Commit Sudoku1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-07-07T22:43:32.930+0000)
As I said, mind the wins, you get random people all the time that screws it up and afks and such, you don't watch or play my games, keep trolling and hate on.
You are making excuses for yourself every game you lose can be directly contributed to yourself as well.
Statistically it is 20% less likely for any member of your team to be a troll rather than enemy team. Why? Because you know yourself are not a troll 1/5 members of your team you know isn't trolling. And everyone low elo acts as if these people don't exist in the higher elo because they do they very much do the difference is that we don't say oh I lost that game because of a troll or afk and we find ways to improve our play and ignore those outliers. If you don't deserve to be in bronze you simply will climb out easy as that if you can't climb you are exactlly where you deserve to be.
Also you are kind of spitting in the face of a Challenger player which is less than like .00003% of the community in like 5v5 especially damn take his advice he is literally the best of the best. He knows this game like the back of his hand if he says that you should be doing something different the least you can do is take it into consideration instead of blowing it off like no one understands how good you think you are. Because this is what it seems like it is coming down you think you don't need to take any of our advice because you think you are better than you are when all the evidence points to you are not. You say disregard the wins but that is what really matters winning your KDA in game means nothing I have gone 0/7/9 as an ADC and got carried into a victory in a plat game before. KDA means nothing it is the end result that matters and your play style isn't a consistent way of getting wins. Take it from people who are better than you (this isn't an ego thing literally every player than you who has commented is much higher ranked than you) change your playstyle and you will start moving in the right direction instead of putting dirt right back into the whole you are digging.
Your winrate is 35% you have played over 100 games. Trolls and AFKers (which arent an excuse to not being able to climb) are not in even 50% of those games so why are you losing so many games 41 Wins to 75 Losses if you are truly better than Bronze 4 you would have a winrate above 50% because any winrate above 50% means you are climbing and that you are better than where you are and you will get out. 35% means that you aren't where you belong you should really be lower.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Left for Zed,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-07-08T02:58:07.295+0000)
You are making excuses for yourself every game you lose can be directly contributed to yourself as well.
Statistically it is 20% less likely for any member of your team to be a troll rather than enemy team. Why? Because you know yourself are not a troll 1/5 members of your team you know isn't trolling. And everyone low elo acts as if these people don't exist in the higher elo because they do they very much do the difference is that we don't say oh I lost that game because of a troll or afk and we find ways to improve our play and ignore those outliers. If you don't deserve to be in bronze you simply will climb out easy as that if you can't climb you are exactlly where you deserve to be.
Also you are kind of spitting in the face of a Challenger player which is less than like .00003% of the community in like 5v5 especially damn take his advice he is literally the best of the best. He knows this game like the back of his hand if he says that you should be doing something different the least you can do is take it into consideration instead of blowing it off like no one understands how good you think you are. Because this is what it seems like it is coming down you think you don't need to take any of our advice because you think you are better than you are when all the evidence points to you are not. You say disregard the wins but that is what really matters winning your KDA in game means nothing I have gone 0/7/9 as an ADC and got carried into a victory in a plat game before. KDA means nothing it is the end result that matters and your play style isn't a consistent way of getting wins. Take it from people who are better than you (this isn't an ego thing literally every player than you who has commented is much higher ranked than you) change your playstyle and you will start moving in the right direction instead of putting dirt right back into the whole you are digging.
Your winrate is 35% you have played over 100 games. Trolls and AFKers (which arent an excuse to not being able to climb) are not in even 50% of those games so why are you losing so many games 41 Wins to 75 Losses if you are truly better than Bronze 4 you would have a winrate above 50% because any winrate above 50% means you are climbing and that you are better than where you are and you will get out. 35% means that you aren't where you belong you should really be lower.
Funny thing is, haters and trolls like yourself who hasn't played a game with me, or seen how I throw myself to save team and a great teamplayer, my assists are high, which noone even ever counts that like it means nothing, cause blind and dumb and only want your own kdr more than others, at least I'm not the supp like 99.99% go negative everygame, they all have average 10 deaths+ I don't, never said I was best, just that I know how to play it better my way, not your average typical ways.
Commit Sudoku1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-08T05:00:46.270+0000)
Funny thing is, haters and trolls like yourself who hasn't played a game with me, or seen how I throw myself to save team and a great teamplayer, my assists are high, which noone even ever counts that like it means nothing, cause blind and dumb and only want your own kdr more than others, at least I'm not the supp like 99.99% go negative everygame, they all have average 10 deaths+ I don't, never said I was best, just that I know how to play it better my way, not your average typical ways.
You are a child, I am just trying to help. You care far too much about how your stats look at the end of the game rather than winning (and don't say you don't because that is your defense for everything i.e. atleast im not like 99.99% of supports...). These top tier players are sacraficing themselves for the benefit of thier team. You ctan't claim to be good and have a win rate so low you win 3-4 games out of 10 which is terrible. Until you realize this there is no point in trying yo help a person who won't help them-self. Have fun not getting anywhere in ranked. ~~ No one needs to play with you to understand how AP sona works she isn't mechanically difficult she is literally roll your fingers on the keyboard and profit. You said you are a new player many people in the comments have been playing for years we have far more experience . To say that we don't know anything or we need to play with you to understand is quite frankly a load crap. What you are doing is like walking into psychology 101 and telling your teacher you know more than them about the sub~~ject. But I am done trying to help.
GOATgoinHAM1 votesBRONZE LOL
The ThaiAmerican1 votesYah they said to hate on and keep trolling cause they wish they could do it.
aDcMiDbaD1 votesReaons why bronze:
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Roger the Alien,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-07-08T05:08:10.561+0000)
Reaons why bronze:
By your win rate, you get carried by others a lot, and I've got more overall. You just been playing longer that's all.
Commit Sudoku1 votes[{quoted}](name=The ThaiAmerican,realm=NA,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2015-07-08T05:27:56.608+0000)
By your win rate, you get carried by others a lot, and I've got more overall. You just been playing longer that's all.
oh please you cant use a win rate defense when yours is even worse
Code1 votesYo either this guy is just really dumb and completely unwilling to listen to better plays or he's trolling. Let's just let him think that full ap sona support is better then utility sona because he averages 12.3 assists (less than average) and a sub 50% w/r, or let him troll. Whichever.
The ThaiAmerican1 votesI keep getting htese dam bugs that errors me in que an loses points too, 4/6 games everyday and been asking Riot for help for months now.
Commander Sona1 votesYo brah, I feel ya, main Sona, over 7 k sona games all in all, I have done it all on all servers, and ppl just wont understand how Sona works. Sona jungle works best for me, trailblazer (devourer) + gauntlet. Then u can use Sonas full power without beeing hold back by some shiity ass adc that only flames you. Many ppl say, go mid then ffs! Well, its harder, cuz we both know Sona, she has low health. So it will often be more of a safe farming game under turret, while enemy gets chance to roam. Anyways, read all these fools comments, and they are Meta Suckers, they cant think outside of the box, and that's why they flame you. Fuk em brother :) Try the gauntlet for slows every third sec or so to really use sonas "utlity". - Commander Sona.
The ThaiAmerican1 votes[{quoted}](name=Commander Sona,realm=EUNE,application-id=K6EGEal2,discussion-id=N2HI7UVk,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-08-25T19:27:20.487+0000)
Yo brah, I feel ya, main Sona, over 7 k sona games all in all, I have done it all on all servers, and ppl just wont understand how Sona works. Sona jungle works best for me, trailblazer (devourer) + gauntlet. Then u can use Sonas full power without beeing hold back by some shiity ass adc that only flames you. Many ppl say, go mid then ffs! Well, its harder, cuz we both know Sona, she has low health. So it will often be more of a safe farming game under turret, while enemy gets chance to roam. Anyways, read all these fools comments, and they are Meta Suckers, they cant think outside of the box, and that's why they flame you. Fuk em brother :) Try the gauntlet for slows every third sec or so to really use sonas "utlity". - Commander Sona.
True, roger that and also the fact that I'm co-carry and I don't think my kdr is bad and it says I am "potentially highest threat" or something like that "carry potential" but then it's about teamwork too which you don't land in perfect teams everytime that knows how to engage when I set it right up. Rock on*
The ThaiAmerican1 votesfunny thing is the ones talking haven't seen any gameplay or the stats, on op.gg I have the "carry potential" icon as well, it's always a surprise party for me and the people that has played with me enjoyed it, and yah I do have a lot of assists/kdr get the job done, co-carry with higher heals/buffs, and the saves...the saves... so gtfo if you hating,not many can stay positive constantly.
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