Why are some rewards unavailable for Coop vs. AI players?

PvP only players were left out of the Doom Bots icon.

Probably because it's so easy to win against ia that there is no much challenge left to get them.

If you allow them in coop vs ia, every body will go there to rush the icon and will have it in 30 min :s

Their is no reason why riot should reward people that are not interested in the PVP part of a PVP game.

There, not their.

When a game introduces a "CO-OP VS AI" mode, it is no longer strictly PVP. If you lose enough (PVP) matches you'll be playing against people that make bots look good anyways.. I don't see how that makes icons any more "earned" than just getting them in bot games.

+1 for this. I get so stressed out every time there's a new icon released.

Shurima icons, hexakill icon, new rift icons are all pvp icons and they require you to win.

Teambuilder icons don't require you win but still require you to play pvp. Not to mention I think they are broken right now (icons not being rewarded).

I haven't seen any icons being awarded for playing coop since I joined this game 6 months ago :<

I am honestly surprised that rewards that amount to "play a game" aren't available to Co-op mode players. As long as the base queue type is available in Co-op the same rewards should be available as well.

What are you accomplishing play a co op? everyone can beat the bots. This is a battle arena. Bot games are trainers for the real game.

Why should you get rewarded for playing training games?

Although he could have phrased it better, Kchaosrei has the right idea. In the end, LoL is about playing against other people. Coop is meant to be like training wheels, not like riding an actual bike. The reason the icons are limited is because you get them for WINNING against another team, not just playing against them. You can't expect to sit on the sidelines and reap the same rewards as people who actually play the game (Man I'm throwing around metaphors like crazy.)

I did get several replies overnight. A lot of people think this is a PvP game, and in some extent it is. However, what's wrong with people enjoying the Coop mode more than the PvP mode? People play the game differently, and that's absolutely fine.

For me, getting more skilled is certainly not the goal of this game. Since it's a game, it's main purpose is to keep me entertained. The Coop mode is entertaining me, the PvP mode isn't.

Now, if I were to do some PvP games to obtain the icons, it wouldn't be a joyful experience (I've tried it before). First of all, I'm terribly unskilled. My team would probably hate it they are stuck with me. I'd probably let me team down and feel bad about it. No-one gains here.

And there's people that say that Coop shouldn't earn the same rewards as ranked, since Coop is an easy mode. Well, Coop already misses out on a lot of rewards at the end of the season. The end-of-season rewards are to reward skill, and I'm totally fine with it.

But the icons to celebrate events, like the Summoner's Rift update, as well as the Harrowing, Snowdown Showdown and Lunar Revel, are another category. In my opinion, these rewards shouldn't be based upon skill, and should be obtainable by everyone. They're there to celebrate an event for anyone to participate in it.

And there's people that think everyone will just play Coop games if the icons were available there. I doubt it, but I guess only Riot themselves have the numbers. Personally, I think people will play the game mode they enjoy most, as long as rewards are available in their preferred game mode.

I really don't see where the problem is... They are just icons, thinking you earn them more because you win in a normal game against real persons and not bots makes no sense at all. There is no accomplishment in playing a game. And when you get a free win because someone is afk in the enemy team, do you really think you're earning something ? Unlike victorious skins, most icons are already considered by regular players to be basically free. So why not make them accessible for coop only players ?

Anyway, I'm just curious, but I wanna know how many players here who don't want coop players to have icons were part of those crybabies who asked Riot to re-release limited skins because they weren't playing the game at that time, even though the whole purpose of those skins were to be unavailable after their first release ?

PvP IS the main attraction of League... But I have no clue why Coop vs AI wouldn't receive these bonuses. It's not like they're generally that important...

I honestly had no idea the Co-op mode didn't grant any of the icons.

+1 for you good sir !

It may be just because they want to encourage everyone to participate in PvP matches. But when it comes to SR I don't see why that matters... it's not like it's struggling for players.

The SR icon is for playing on SR. I don't think the opponents should matter (outside custom matches, which have never counted for anything officially). The Featured Game Mode icons were usually for PvP as well, but that's directly tied to the fact that the mode only worked against other players (or Doom Bots only worked against bots).

Lol where did you copy that from.

remember when the devs said this game was not for casuals? They pulled a PR thing after wards. They tried to down play it about occasional players, though they still said if you a once a month player this was the wrong game for you. That league was a game about commitment and learning and mastery. But lets be honest you cant get more Casual than a bot only players. This is about bot only players. Not players that play both, they would not make a post about being forced to 5v5.

Their is nothing wrong with bot games to learn from. But only playing bots does not deserve rewards. Its like rewarding people for coming in 9 in a 10 place race. Rewarding mediocrity is a bad thing. Saying that you beat bots = walking and chewing gum in the world of league.

hey only care about MONEY!!!! But it's not bad it's just PREDICTABLE!!!! So realize if you buy more stuff as a COOP Vs AI player = More content. They see the charts .....you get COOP vs AI rewards big time.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying the game as a PVE mode, but you cant expect to receive the PVP rewards for doing so. The game is primarily a PVP game, and you are playing the game wrong by playing it PVE exclusively. There is nothing wrong with it, just as there was nothing wrong with ARAM or the Hide and Seek gamemodes people invented, but that doesn't change the fact that its not the intended way to play and Riot wants to put in incentives to play the way its intended.

Furthermore, it devalues the icons to have them obtainable in an easier mode like Coop Vs AI, which many people would not appreciate.

I do however think there should be some badges for these game modes that are exclusive to them to compensate.

dude, you play the bots too much. You need the real person pvp experience. You can also just lie and say 1st time, gets some of the a-holes off your case

Actually it doesn't sound silly. Why should rewards be given to those that only play bots? I see no reason why. There is a diminishing returns as you step farther away from ranked. At the top is all ranked teams. They get the most out of it. Then there is solo que. These are where most of the rewards are gained as a whole. Next you have some of the minor rewards like icons given in normals. Where you are still PVP in a PVP game. Whats left for bots to give? Nothing

There's a difference between rewards that reward skill (ranked icons, end of season rewards), and rewards to celebrate events (like in this case the new Summoner's Rift update, which is updated in Coop mode as well). I'm OK with not getting any skill-based rewards. No shiny bronze/silver/gold/whatever comes next icons or shiny borders at your loading screen. But I do think Coop should be a part of any event celebrations. It's like throwing a party and saying "nopes, you can't come, you aren't cool enough to celebrate this party". And not just one time, it happens too often.

If you allow rewards any lower it becomes a waste of a reward for a vast majority of the community. There is little reason to actually play bots and nothing else. Why set up extra rewards for an extremely small portion of the community? It doesn't make any logical reason to actually make them.

You don't know how small or large that portion of the community is. Only Riot themselves got the numbers on how many players play Coop mode. And I'm not talking about extra rewards, I'm talking about the same rewards other modes get for celebrating events.

You took his statement and blew it up and out of proportion. He was only speaking about bot players. Nothing about playing only ranked or normals. JUST BOTS.

Indeed. I never played ranked because normals were already enough of a negative playing experience for me.

Seems like the rewards are for specific maps and types of play. Like they want to encourage people to do those special events. Maybe just a bit too much coding effort to set up functional bots for short term map events like Shurima. Seems like it could be reasonable to set up team builder for bot games though.

I would still appreciated to get a reply from Riot. I want their statement and view on Coop vs. AI players.