ARAM Mark/Snowball

Atrineas·Apr 29, 2015·152 votes·20,813 views

As a temp thing they can be cool, but if they're here to stay please no. I know many people like me play mostly ARAM for whatever reasons. The mark is super troll, mostly results in 1v5s and brings an unfair and unwanted mechanic to a game mode that was a already fun and didn't need a major change. You basically gave every champ in the game and massive range dive. I don't have the words to express how much this one silly spell has changed the dynamic of an already solid game mode. Some people will like it, I believe most will not. At least not on a permanent basis. Please get rid of it!

273 Comments

MikailaApr 29, 201578 votes

I couldn't agree more. Now people are rerolling to melee champions and tanks because of this new spell. I've lost two games because the other team was melee heavy.... Ranged no longer stand a chance unless they build tanky. I only play ARAM and to be honest, if this new change is staying - I won't be playing anymore League other than special event maps from time to time.

codeman9999Apr 30, 201558 votes

Yep that's how I feel, I hope it leaves soon. ARAM is no longer fun, just the battle of the tanks now.

Shac0 CloneApr 29, 201573 votes

This will be my first post on the forums ever, having never been so enraged over such a dumb decision:

THIS IS SO INSANELY BROKEN ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

It was fun for a temp. game mode, but to fully introduce it into every ARAM game is absurd. Giving every champion the ability to gap close EVERY 20 SECONDS is stupid as all hell.

If this is really going to stay in the game mode the CD on the spell, now 20 seconds, needs to increase significantly. Why even take flash anymore when you have an ability with much longer range?

ZielmannApr 29, 201521 votes

Note that these are my first impressions based on the patch notes and watching a game or two with the new spell. I'll come back here with a more complete post if necessary after playing some tonight.

But just conceptually, the spell is FAR too good. It appears that they just ported Poro Toss directly into the mode with just changing the name. For the power of the spell, 20 seconds is far too short, and the range is too long. And frankly, it probably doesn't even need to have any damage associated at all.

I feel like they were trying to give the 'suffering' melee champs not only an extra means to initiate, but also some manner of poke to be able to throw out. But with the range and non-existent CD, it's a zero-risk, high-reward spell. And not only that, but there's zero counter-play since they made it ignore spell shields and projectile absorption.

I was a little on-edge when I first heard they were looking to add it, but I was hoping whoever was doing the work on it would understand enough about the game mode to make it a reasonably restrained spell.

I don't really see it replacing Flash, though. It'll just augment it. Still need flash for things that require an instant reaction, and for defensive purposes.

I ate ZoidbergApr 30, 201531 votes

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This will be my first post on the forums ever, having never been so enraged over such a dumb decision:

THIS IS SO INSANELY BROKEN ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY

It was fun for a temp. game mode, but to fully introduce it into every ARAM game is absurd. Giving every champion the ability to gap close EVERY 20 SECONDS is stupid as all hell.

If this is really going to stay in the game mode the CD on the spell, now 20 seconds, needs to increase significantly. Why even take flash anymore when you have an ability with much longer range?

Couldent agree more. My first post to - this is so silly. ARAM is now a waste of time. Riot just destroyed ARAM's. I can't see the fun in it. I wont come back before they change it. So dumb...

AranceApr 30, 201569 votes

I've played League for five years at this point and this is absolutely, unquestionably, the single worst change Riot has ever made. Let's look at its features:

2500 Range on Mark (588% longer than Flash), infinite range on Dash. Same Range as level 2 Caitlyn ult.
Does 20 + (10 x level) true damage, to a max of 200 damage. This is half the damage ignite does over 5 seconds at max. Meaning this has 1050% more DPS than ignite.
Roughly same missile speed and hitbox as Nidalee's spear.
20 Second CD that can be reduced easily to 15 seconds. (Or even 13 with Mastery.)
Gives about 300 radius units of sight while traveling.
Gives 3 seconds of sight on hit target.
Ignore spell shields and Windwall.

There is NO reason for ANY champions to EVER not take this. Games have instantly devolved into utter chaos, destroying any semblance of strategy or balance that may have ever existed. Melee absolutely deserved some help on the map, but this isn't help, its URF mode.

To make it into a proper tool to aid melee without utterly wrecking the game, multiple nerfs are needed. Some options should be:

Double the cooldown.
Remove all the damage.
Dash now deals the damage, not Mark.
Remove travel sight.
Remove Marked sight.
Reduce range by at least 25%
Put limit on Dash range not much longer than Mark's.
Only able to Dash to Champions (but minions still block it).

Until at least half of these are implemented there's no reason to play ARAM ever again.

sheepflyApr 29, 201549 votes

Agreed! This is not a minor change to ARAM. This is a revival of Poro King mode minus the Poro King.

That's fine as a temporary additional game mode, but not as a permanent replacement for ARAM.

Any "Mark / Dash" or "Poro Toss" summoner spell would need a serious rework before it could be appropriate for ARAM or any other permanent game mode. Dumping it into the game unchanged as an "upgrade" is both bizarre and fundamentally stupid.

ZielmannApr 29, 201524 votes

Massive rework needed, indeed. They basically just ported Poro Toss into ARAM and renamed it. I'm not completely opposed to adding something to give melee champions a chance, but it needs to be tuned such that it's optimal for those who actually need it, but sub-optimal for those who really don't.

My biggest fear here is that they're dumping this spell into ARAM, and then going to ignore it for many months again, while the mode suffers. It needs changes, and it needs them quickly.

It is silly that they would throw it in unchanged, though. Riot has even said over and over again that the featured game modes have a very fast fallout in popularity. But then, they take this summoner spell tuned for a feature game mode and drop it into a normal mode without adjusting it? It just makes ARAM feel like another gimmicky featured game mode, which people will grow tired of and slowly stop playing.

JedamApr 29, 201548 votes

i agree, as a temp mode this was fine but 20 sec cd on a summoner more powerful than flash for a lot of champions, IT IS STUPID !

AraruApr 30, 201543 votes

Amen. this has ruined ARAM. I play only ARAM because I enjoy the mode. Now its not fun. Please set it back to the way it was. Until then Heroes of the Storm it is....

PQquebecApr 30, 201543 votes

As an aram player (over 700 win ) , this snowball update got me after 3 games, I'll stopped league until it goes to normal . Before, when it was a random win or loss compilation it was fun to know you actually gonna lose and working with your team to win or vice versa . Now that snowball stuff is just too much for me .

You lost me riot i'll never play again if we can't play as back in the days ( last week ) .

Thx for this game still, loved my time there . see ya all

god dammit so much to lose now

HoggyApr 29, 201540 votes

There is absolutely no reason to play ARAM right now with this completely broken summoner spell.

It needs to have its cooldown increased before it's even close to being balanced.

EDIT: Just got done actually using it for the first time: WTF WERE THEY THINKING WITH ITS RANGE?! Wow...no...

ZielmannApr 29, 201516 votes

Increase CD, decrease the range. Make people actually think about when they want to use the spell.

grandmasterleeApr 29, 201538 votes

its a silly addition, I hope they remove it.

OZYM4ND14SApr 30, 201536 votes

Echoing others sentiments, this will be my first time posting on the forums. As a player who ONLY plays ARAM, I love the game type. It's fun, its fast-paced, and now its absolutely broken. I have never felt so completely disgusted by a game of ARAM as I have felt since the introduction of the "Snowball" What was wrong with ARAM before? Why would you possibly ruin such a relatively fine game mode? Its really pissing me off to no end. My first game I was absolutely wrecked by tanks flying in my face. (The introduction of Warmogs doesnt help either.) Whats the point of a squishy champ staying behind lines when anyone can fly past all your team mates? This is just ridiculous and sickening. Its making ARAM unplayable, and for some one like me, that means making League unplayable

tomahawkApr 30, 201536 votes

ARAM isn't ARAM anymore, this is an entirely different game mode. I don't know why riot would do this.

Frog999999Apr 30, 201530 votes

As someone who's champion pool consists mostly of melee champs, I do not like this skill as it currently is one bit. For such a low cooldown and such a long range it offers way too much: true damage (not much individually, but it can add up) and ability to teleport into the middle of the enemy team with no repercussions to you.

You miss? Just wait another 18 seconds and try again. Your cooldowns aren't good for you to dive? That's okay, the skill will be back up in a few seconds, and you just scored some free damage so when you do dive they will be a bit weaker.

With so many snowballs flying around (as if ARAM wasn't often chaotic enough), it's now impossible to peel for your carries. How can a skill that provides such mobility have a CD that's shorter than almost all item actives?

Sure, a lot of melee champs aren't the strongest on ARAM, but the current iteration Mark/Dash is not the way to help them. Perhaps if the range was a bit shorter and the cooldown quite a bit longer (i'd say 60-90 seconds should be okay for a skillshot active), it might be okay.

eenxsApr 30, 201528 votes

ARAM you were fun while it lasted. RIP

FaRmErXApr 30, 201527 votes

seriously if this isnt fixed by friday and I have to hang out with my girlfriend because there's nothing else to do i will not be amused

SpleensoupApr 30, 201526 votes

Yep. My thoughts exactly. Love ARAM. Loved snowballs during event. Do not want them full time.

MandaariApr 30, 201526 votes

This. I worked my way up to 1.1K games and got high enough to get featured on the client. After this? Fuck it. Not remotely fun anymore. Not with or against. Just a snowball spam fest.

Just had a game as Amumu. I've never had an easier time landing ults in my life. He was already stupidly strong in ARAM.

IlIlllIIIIllApr 29, 201525 votes

It is a a nice idea BUT:

The range is way over the top and you cant see it

DeanWinchesterApr 30, 201525 votes

You broke ARAM...will come back when mark/dash is nerfed/moved over to poro mode where it belongs.

Corvidae IApr 30, 201524 votes

I plan to stop playing LoL for now, until the snowball is removed or severely altered. I'm not angry about it - LoL is just a game, and I think Riot is a great company - but after a handful of ARAM games, which is mostly what I play, it's just no longer fun.

It feels goofy, more like a silly free app that is fun for a few seconds, but which has so little strategy involved that it can never hold your interest.

I guess I should thank Riot, really - I will probably get a lot more exercise and spend more time outside.

Famke JanssenMay 1, 201522 votes

This only my second post in 5+ years of playing lol. To the people who say dash/mark makes melee viable: they always were! If you survived the first 15 minutes of an all poke team as a bruiser team, you won. I've never seen a casual patch note so radically change the dynamic of a game. I played 3-4 games with dash/mark and after 2k+ games of aram I'm done with it until dash/mark is removed.

ForumnMay 1, 201521 votes

Please remove this Mark/Snowball. Totally changed this game mode. Not fun anymore.

SeketApr 30, 201519 votes

This is a terrible edition to ARAM. I agree with the person that said it makes it as warped as URF. I got dived behind the second tower, when the first one was up. If this continues I might not play aram, and aram is about all I play. The countdown is insane, the distance too long. Its like an uber ability with no cost. At least nidalees spears and varus's q has a cost, and a noise to indicate its been activated. This removes strategy when they can just teleport to you instantly. Its like flash on steroids. Disappointing.

ZingWooApr 30, 201519 votes

ARAM was the only mode I've been playing lately, because I really don't like the 50-60 min. length of a normal match, and the role rigidity in normal matches. Plus, I don't have time to play this game at PRO level, and considering this, there's no point in playing ranked at all. ARAM was really fun, but now it's really broken. I didn't like Heroes of the Storm much, but now I'm looking forward to it...

Lilly Sol LebeauMay 1, 201519 votes

As someone whose actually been playing ARAM more so then even Normal matches, I'm in the 100% agreement that the Snowball/Mark summoner skill is absolutely broken and stupid.

The idea behind it was to allow non-gap closers an option to get in, however since it's available to ALL champions you've basically made this the most abusive summoner skill in Aram. Champions like Irelia, Akali, Talon, Fiora (just a few examples) were already strong champions in Aram Pre-Snowball however with this implementation it has literally skyrocketed them into a level that makes them absolutely unstoppable.

Irelia was a force to be reckoned with before the Mark days because starting at level 3 and having the ability to buy an item such as Sheen right from the get go along with pots completely negates her usual early game weaknesses that you would normally see on a map like SR. She is a champion that sports gap closing, slow/stun, healing and True Damage all in one.

So as soon as she finishes a Tri-Force + Merc Treads and builds tanky onward, she simply can no longer be stopped. Remember, this is Pre-Mark Aram, but now with the ability to give her basically another dash, she's gone from a Great Aram Champion to Elite Status. Reasons why is because this allows her an option to dive freely under turrets while also giving her an escape dash capability as well.

One of Akali's weaknesses in Aram was that Pre-Level 6 she could be bullied, but once she got to Level 6 and if played correctly would become an absolute Monster, however this is no longer a problem for Akali Pre-6 because of the Mark/Snowball. What Riot has basically done was give Akali 4 Dashes considering her Ult allows her 3 gap closers already.

Fiora is another champion who was already incredibly powerful Pre-Mark Aram and although she has a gap closer at the early levels, she could be cced, and had to contend with a Wall of champions in order to get to the back line.

Now all I have to do is hit the Snowball anywhere near close the enemy squishes and it's Free-For-All for Fiora to Ulti while crushing them at her leisure. Did I mention with the Mark, she now has 3 Dashes? Yes indeed.

Darius has become completely broken with the current setup, and we shouldn't forget Yi who was already a game changing Champion in Aram, but with the inclusion of the marks he's become one of the most broken champs in Aram. The amount of stupid Fiddlesticks can do with his Ulti now is unbelievable. I've seen Fid players cast ulti, and launch their marks to chase squishes well in the back line, while ult is still running.

Numerous other champions who have AOE ults like Amumu, Wukong, Kennen, Galio were never under performers within the previous, however it's just that now it has become significantly easier because they either now have a gap closer or two in some of these champions cases.

Just how do we stop Mundo now? You introduced Warmog's which is an item that Mundo thrives on while also giving him an option to dive? Sion along with his ulti and the ability to have a second crack at life allows him opportunities to just break turrets down with essentially two health bars, the Snowball is Amazing for Sion because he didn't have a gap closer besides his charge. OCV.

Their are champions in the game of League whom were never implemented without a diving skill for a reason, but with the Marks you've given champions like Darius, Garen, Mundo, Singed etc gap closers!

Riot has basically ushered in a stupid trend of people flying in at level 3, with constant bombardments but more importantly it has completely devalued what strategy that was available in Aram.

I would rather deal with Lux, Nidalee, and Ashe Pre-Mark/Snowball then Wukong, Mundo, and Yi in the current Aram.

My reasoning is that Lux, Nidalee and Ashe are squishes and can eventually be dealt with as the game progresses, however with the current Aram-Meta, champions like Wukong, Mundo and Yi will never EVER fall off from start to finish because they never did in the previous Aram either.

Not to mention that they actually have the ability to build tanky w/o detriment to their champions (besides Yi) and the longer the game last the more powerful Wu, Mundo and Yi will become.

What makes the Mark/Snowball more irrelevant is the fact that the champions whom were terrible previously in Aram are STILL TERRIBLE now even with the introduction of the Marks, just go and take a look at the statistics! Champions like Eve still sit at the gutter of the barrel in terms of win percentage even in the New Aram.

However in return you killed off many of the other viable champions in doing so_, while making the majority of gap closers who weren't weak in Aram either significantly stronger or flat out broken.

Their is no argument here that with the Current-Meta we have Far Less Viable Champions now then we did prior to this update.

Once again, Riot never ceases to Amaze me with Silly...well, more like stupid implementations without fully realizing the repercussions of what could take place. If they just Looked at the Dive Stupidity that took place during the Aram Poro King Event, they would've known full well to have never set this into motion. It really makes me wonder if they ever bothered to look at or test these things before fully implementing them into the game and believing that it was an Excellent Idea.

Revert Aram back to what it once was.

Ultimate VeigarMay 2, 201519 votes

As someone who originally started playing summoner's rift, ARAM gave me a new life and a chance to play the game casually* while learning new champions. I would play champions from my purchased pool, and get to try out any champions I never played thanks to the free week pool being in the random drawing as well. ARAM became my favorite game mode in League, and to this day I have over 1500 ARAM games played, with nearly 800 wins. Since this ability was added, all the fun I found in this mode has been ripped away. It seems as though anyone on my team who takes the Mark/Dash ability charges in 1 by 1 into their team of death while the rest of our team is too far away to assist in any way. I, for one (or many according to this thread) will NEVER use this ability.

It is overpowered and broken. It takes away any strategy that teams actually have to use to win. It is a lot harder to dodge 5 snowballs than it is to dodge just one, on top of trying to avoid the rest of the skillshots their team is throwing out. At first I didn't think there was going to be a lot of backlash about the ability, but my ARAM community has proved me wrong (thankfully) and I can clearly see all the die-hard ARAM players are on the same page about this one ability that has completely changed and destroyed our game mode. It is depressing to me all the players who are quitting the game because of this one ability, and I'm right behind them. My extremely fun and casual game mode is gone, never to be played again.

My suggestions for this ability are:

Get rid of it
If you have to keep it, give it it's own game mode under ARAM called "Snowball Fight"
Get rid of it
If you refuse to give it it's own game mode, nerf the hell out of it
Get rid of it
If you do not nerf the hell out of it, consider this game mode a graveyard of what once was a booming bridge of fun
Get rid of it
Get rid of it
Get rid of it
PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF ARAM, GET RID OF IT!

When I say the game mode is casual, I mean that a lot of the players in this mode are much more easy going, and a game can be fun even if you are losing. Nobody is trying to climb any ladders here, and the community has always been great!

þangMay 1, 201518 votes

Wow I can't even begin to say how disappointed I am to now official hate my previously favorite game mode. I've played over 1500 ARAM games and it's really the only mode I (used to) find fun. Riot spends sooooo many resources into balancing champions. When's the last time we ever had a patch without a champion balance attempt? Never. Yet, they give the option for any champion to teleport to another champion ever 15 seconds. As if singed isn't annoying enough, we should give him Lee Sin's q on top of it. Now if you get singed in aram you're stoked because you don't need to build a single engage item or any tenacity. Why bother? This goes with many other champions too of course.

Hands down the worst thing that has happened to league of legends since I've joined. Not sure how much longer I'll even bother queueing for ARAM.

Edit: I literally never post on the forums and logged on just to express my frustration because I don't want to play my favorite game if it remains in this current unbalanced and silly state.

Jimmy PestoMay 1, 201515 votes

Just logged in to play some ARAM, I don't get much time to play, and when I do this is my preferred game mode. Played one game, and noticed you added snowballs that make it a completely different game. That's actually putting it lightly. You broke the game. I'll be back when you fix this nonsense.

cwambwerwy bweadMay 1, 201515 votes

Riot has ruined aram... the only reason i play league of legends... goodbye league . time to uninstall

gyntonicMay 1, 201514 votes

I play mostly ARAM and it completly destroyed the dynamics of the game mode and I don't even want to play it anymore. How can they throw in something like this, out of nowhere, in a perfectly fine game mode, that changed the gameplay so drastically?

And melee was perfectly viable in aram if you don't play stupid. The only problem is a perfectly matched OP champs with OP players.

GG Syndra against 5 tanks with snowball, she'd die from the true dmg alone. This is just plain stupid and not the way to go, please remove or put 300sec cooldown like flash and other normal and not random OP spells.

RichieJenApr 30, 201513 votes

Please cancel the snow ball, or at least make the cold down a lot longer. i play a lot of aram, but due to this unfairness of the mode, I already lost interest after 3 game i played this morning.

msGreenleafMay 2, 201513 votes

The Mark/Dash addition to the ARAM map has completely ruined the game mode for me. The spell is broken on so many levels, and changes the dynamic of the mode so that it's not enjoyable anymore. ARAM used to be about posturing and preparing for a fight, getting off the right combo, or getting a catch. It was like the best moments of SR but in a neat little package you could enjoy for ~20 minutes in your downtime. Mark/Dash has removed all strategy and skill from the mode and turned it into a joke like URF or Poro King, which are great, for about two or three days once a year when they come out. This summoner does NOT belong on a permanent game mode.

It's not about simply dodging the snowballs either, so that's not a relevant argument. Even the best of players can't be expected to dodge 5 snowballs every 20 seconds while still dancing around 5 champions skillshots. And as for fixing "ARAM only accounts", this doesn't do it. I think people really overestimate how many ARAM only accounts exist, and how they impact the games even if you do get queued up with or against them. So the enemy team gets Master Yi, that sucks! But you could still outplay him, CC him, but now you're playing against Master Yi with extra poke, an extra gap closer, and an extra escape. This will only make the ARAM only account problem worse. And if you don't believe that, then people can just as well start making new ARAM onlys with just tanks and bruisers on them. If anything, it's made the problem worse.

Yeah, before maybe you would get shafted with a crap team comp against a God Mode comp. The fun was in still trying to beat them or outplay them with what you had, and hone your skills. With Mark/Dash, it's just become absolutely impossible for some champs to function. A team comp which, a week ago, would have been considered decent, just gets shredded in ten minutes because they are constantly being dove between their turrets by tanks or bruisers, or a champ with an aoe ult. And what really sucks is, THESE CHAMPS WERE ALREADY STRONG BEFORE.

I don't feel like there were many champions who were just completely garbage on the map before, and maybe Mark/Dash makes them feel more useful or viable now, but I really don't think a summoner spell this drastic was what we needed to aid those champions. We were already given two rerolls and the option to trade champions before. A spell that changes the whole dynamic? Absolutely unnecessary. I'd rather just get Eve and suffer through it then get Eve and have a snowball and just piledrive the game.

It's just not fun for either side. When I win, I want it to be because my team worked better together than the other. And getting a better team comp never meant that you just auto-won the game. Now it's just total chaos and it's unbearable to play against or with. And when it is on my own team, I feel like I just sit back and watch my teammates flying into the enemy team and just feed their hearts out.

Personally, I feel like the people who enjoy the snowball skill are just casual ARAM players, and won't stick around long enough to make it's insertion worth it. Others will find that it gets stale pretty fast, just like any other gimmick mode we've had, which is WHY they are temporary. People who are big fans of ARAM or play mostly ARAM will just feel like mode is ruined and either go back to Summoner's Rift or quit entirely. I'm sad to see a once great map ruined, and I really fear for how things will turn out over the next few weeks if Mark/Dash is not removed or SIGNIFICANTLY nerfed. I think the Mark/Dash should either exist in it's own separate game mode, or not exist at all. At least give players the option of having to play on a map that allows or doesn't allow the spell. Don't force it on us. Do I take this seriously? Well yeah, it is a game I invest a lot of time in, and have had the best of times playing. That's not wrong either. People take SR just as seriously, so don't talk down to ARAM players and say "we're taking this game mode too seriously". The devs have repeatedly asked for our feedback, and we're giving them our honest opinions. I'm thankful for all the times I've had wonderful games and all that I have learned thanks to the dynamic of ARAM. I've definitely learn a lot about so many champions because of this mode, but if this is how it's going to be from now on, I guess it's time to graduate to SR, or just find a new game, because everything I loved about Howling Abyss is gone.

Forbidden SirenApr 29, 201512 votes

It's nice to see some melee champs viable again but I agree, the range and extremely low CD is a bit much and borderline broken. I say they should raise the CD a bit more so people don't consistently spam it (especially since it's TRUE damage).

ZielmannApr 29, 201510 votes

It should be more like 60-90 seconds, IMO. It would make the CD refund actually worthwhile, and force players to actually decide to use it when they truly want to engage.

It should be a tool to help high-engage champs do their job more reliably or effectively, not be a poke tool.

Forbidden SirenApr 29, 201514 votes

Agreed. I've been seeing poke champions picking snowball a lot due to the easy free pokes with no risk.

FaRmErXApr 30, 201512 votes

it has way too much range. I am an aram only player also and this is frightening if this isnt going to change soon.

HellpyreApr 30, 201512 votes

Dash is too broken. It has to either be removed or toned down in a hot-fix. Look at the list of what it does

-Scaling true damage -Vision on target -2500(!) range dash -20 second or less CD -bypasses protection meant to specifically stop this

To even try to be balance it needs to stop saying "I'm the best ARAM SS you could ever have," and actually become an option. Give it a real CD so that spamming it isnt a matter of "might as well", and remove the gratuitous bonus damage, and maybe it would be worth having in the game. As it is, it feels as warping as URF, but applied to a single aspect of the game without the others recieving the same amount of boost.

SnowOrchidApr 30, 201512 votes

As a mainly ARAMer or 3's player, I have to say that I agree with other comments that the snowball has totally changed the dynamic for me.

I don't like the change for ARAM, but I would enjoy seeing Poro King on a permanent ARAM choice, with the snowball through that mode only.

I found Poro King lots of fun, and when I want to have a mad crazy game with champs flying everywhere, I'd like to pick that mode, vs. it being a part of the regular ARAM game.

FlemmanApr 29, 201511 votes

if they have a fizz and your team has 0 CC, you are doom :(

RicjeApr 29, 201513 votes

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if they have a fizz and your team has 0 CC, you are doom :(

Some champions can pretty much wipe out a team through Mark/Dash. As there is no counter play to it, this summoner spell becomes brokenly overpowered. Take Fiddlesticks for example: mark someone, ult, dash and everyone near that person is going to die. No way to counter this as Fiddlesticks can throw a silence and instantly Zhonya on arrival.

Nutorious BIGApr 30, 201511 votes

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As a temp thing they can be cool, but if they're here to stay please no. I know many people like me play mostly ARAM for whatever reasons. The mark is super troll, mostly results in 1v5s and brings an unfair and unwanted mechanic to a game mode that was a already fun and didn't need a major change. You basically gave every champ in the game and massive range dive. I don't have the words to express how much this one silly spell has changed the dynamic of an already solid game mode. Some people will like it, I believe most will not. At least not on a permanent basis. Please get rid of it!

What I can't believe is how they commited without any sort of test phase at all.

ARAMonstrosityMay 1, 201511 votes

I'm all for gutting it. It's way too strong.

Now, I know you'll see my name and think I'm just an ARAM smurf. I'm not. This is my one and only account and I own all but (I think) 3 champs. I've been playing solely ARAM since back in it's custom room days and I name changed ages ago to match that.

You spend more time dodging snowballs than abilities now. The range and cooldown for a summoner's spell is just absurd.

map eliminatorMay 5, 201511 votes

Also first time poster, I play 90% ARAMS (though don't necessarily consider my acc's 'aram only' accs, pretty varied champs) and think this change is bogus. Like others said, it's basically turned it into a temporary/joke game mode.

Tanks/bruisers and support already dominated ARAM. Everyone seems to think poke/range comps were unbeatable, but this was only true in the early game. Play smart, defend your tower, dodge a few skillshots, push it to 15+ minutes in and the ranged harass becomes much more manageable, and bruisers and tanks (especially ones w/ good engage) really start to shine.

Mark was clearly implemented to help melee-only champs. They didn't need help, they just needed to play a little more conservatively. And yes, every once in a while you did come up against a uh, nid/zig/varus team who dominated with poke so hard early there was no chance. But its ARAM, it has random in the name.

Also, there is very little balancing done around ARAM. I can't imagine there was some huge voice in the community crying about how ARAM was unbalanced; like all the people defending Mark point out, ARAM is a pretty laid back game mode. It's meant to be fun. I think what people are upset about more than the fact that you've made it even more unbalanced is the fact that you've drastically (DRASTICALLY - Mark is so OP that its honestly worth taking regardless of your champ, if just for the poke/threat of a dive from an unknown source/reengage, which is why most of my recent games have been 5/5 Mark) changed a game mode that a lot of people already love.

Where is this coming from? Why so drastically change an already enjoyable game mode in the name of balance where no real balance really existed in the first place? And if balance was your goal you've failed. Squishy ranged champs now have it waaay worse than fighters and tanks w/ no range ever did, imo.

FlugalMay 1, 201510 votes

Also have made very few posts over a few years and logged on just to voice my opposition to this spell. I play a lot of ARAM during the work week because I don't feel like using the focus of a summoners rift game... I am not looking to dominate ARAM. Mark has ruined the feel of what I liked about it. There is no team work, or trying to find a way to make your comp work out better than it should on paper. It's just 5 random individuals fighting 5 other individuals.

If they wanted to flip ARAM on its head they could have made a separate mode.

RatpieMay 5, 201510 votes

I love tanks, and I love throwing poros, but even with that said, this is just stupid.

Tanks already were easy win in ARAM. I love getting a team full of tanks, throw 1 support in with them and GG. Poke works only if the other team is squishy or dumb. Now tanks just slaughter everybody and completely invalidates any stealth char or chars with strong evade skills, as they are pointless when one snowball can bring your enemy right back on of you.

I loved Poro King mode and I would love to see it as an option, but leave ARAM alone. It is a great mode, I know more people that play that now than SR, and I ditched SR games just because I need games I can do quicker. Adding the snowball just unbalances ARAM horribly. Almost every player I know that does ARAM is spending more time on HoTS while this snowball is in effect.

ThaellaMay 6, 201510 votes

Wow, I never logged into this before. But those snowballs are simply idiotic. They completely ruin ARAM. I have never logged into these forums, but just to vent my disgust at what is clearly a horrible decision I logged in too. I really liked playing ARAM over 1000 wins... But now, it's just not fun anymore.