5v5 summoners Rift Co-Op Vs AI player bot warning to newer players

Cha0sr1pper·Oct 20, 2014·15 votes·6,651 views

i was just playing a 5v5 beginner rift AI match, and there were three players using a bot macro. the game gets very hard indeed when three of your allies have a 0/10 or higher KD ratio, and they are all hanging out in middle lane tower diving. if your New to the game, make sure you do it with a friend until this issue is resolved. i attached a JPG to show what i mean. look at the bottom three players with whited out names. they all have the same 2 summoner spells, they all bought very VERY bad items, or they bought unique items and multiple copies, when unique items don't stack, and they all have 0/10 or worse KD ratios. During gameplay the characters ran down middle lane, and if they didn't die to the Annie bot, they died to the tower, as they would just run in and beat on it until it killed them. skilled players MAY be able to pull out a win, but unskilled or new players will have a hard time.

Bottom line, when your first starting, play with friends. if you have no choice but to play CO-VS-AI however, try to make friends with the actual players that team with you, and report the bot users for the bad team-mates they are.

please be aware, i blotted out player names only because it was the right thing to do.

20 Comments

7ha7guy777Oct 21, 20148 votes

i've seen them in level 30 intermediate bots. this isn't just a low level problem, but it's much easier to deal with at higher levels compared to when you literally just started playing

Lao Fu the TigerOct 21, 20144 votes

I dunno, that Singed build looks pretty solid.

Zen FuryOct 20, 20142 votes

Unfortunately there's no way to easily screen for bots. Sure, this version of the bot might be easier to detect (indeed, it appears to be poorly written) but if someone puts some effort into it they'd be able to write a bot that could effectively beat AIs. At that stage, how do you detect the bots vs. regular average (or sub-average) players?

Some players don't use chat. Some players only play bot games. Behavioral filtering is a tough task, especially if the bot creator adds in some semi-intelligent randomization.

OnegarionOct 21, 20142 votes

Honestly if the bot is properly programmed is it really that big of a problem? I get that people are using them to bot and sell later, but to me its not a huge problem if the bot is actually decent enough to pass for a real player.

Cha0sr1pperOct 21, 20142 votes

the game gets hard (For a NEWER player) when a caster, even a bot, even on easy, has the gold from 20+kills as well as basically free farming a lane. also, its not the average or sub average bots that are a real problem in CO VS AI, even the most atrocious players are helpful in some way or another. however when you supposed teammates are quite literally running into a tower, and attacking it with no creeps with them, or even worse, with an enemy hero plugging away on them, that is something else entirely

also, it may just be me, but even if i never touched the chat system at all in game unless absolutely necessary, i would still say something if two players were saying i was a bot, if for no other reason than to prove i was not one. myself and the other human player were talking about it off and on the whole game, and warned them several times that we were going to report them if they didn't respond.

World of Warcraft has had bot issues for ever, and that is one of the ways that blizzard employees find players that are using a bot. They give them a warning to respond within a Certain timeframe or they will be Suspended or even Banned.

im not saying a beginner bot game would be hard for even less then average players, but if you've only played a few times, three people feeding a single bot can be the cause for a loss for a new player. I dont know about anyone else, but the first 3-4 times i ever played, i would have been very disheartened indeed.

Cha0sr1pperOct 21, 20141 votes

this was the third game today doing COAI had at LEAST 2 of these guys. thats the problem i was talking about. these things have been running rampant the last day or two, if they keep going for too long and brand new players have to deal with it, then its a big problem. the only other way i can see at least curbing it is have some sort of automatic warning feature in game that warns a technician if a player has been consistently in matches for such and such a time. i have a feeling some of the more blatant ones will be slowed, if not stopped. the blatant ones are the problem that needs an immediate resolution, ones that are, as Zen fury says " but if someone puts some effort into it they'd be able to write a bot that could effectively beat AIs. At that stage, how do you detect the bots vs. regular average (or sub-average) players? " a bot like that would not significantly mess with gameplay for new players other than being ignored when they need help, which in itself is the WHOLE REASON i still even play beginner co op vs AI. i play it to meet new players, and help them if they need it. that in itself requires the chat feature.

NeroUSOct 21, 20142 votes

Not enough tears on the rift.

Fixed by the bots.

Der LindwurmOct 21, 20142 votes

Here's an ARAM match from a couple of weeks ago with 1 human and 9 bots.

NeroUSOct 21, 20141 votes

They were assist machines.

ZyyyZOct 21, 20141 votes

This is BEGINNER bots. How does the game get hard? Other than some extra xp, the AI don't really get extra items if they get 10 kills in the first 5 minutes and they push tower REALLY slow. New players have the option to play intro bots up to level 10 for full IP which is even easier.

ShadowGlaive213Oct 21, 20141 votes

Intro bots is annoying cuz it keeps interrupting w/e you're doing to give you information. If you've already played one game of intro bots the information will not be new and become annoying really quickly. Newer players generally don't have runes or masteries and without those it can actually be quite hard to get rolling in a beginner bot game unless you're a fairly skilled smurf since you do no damage.

NeroUSOct 21, 20143 votes

The bots do get harder and harder as the game goes on. I've noticed ordinary players lose 3v1 bot fights in midgame even when fed. Imagine if each fight was 5v1. That could be hard for a new player.

They would probably even lose.

7ha7guy777Oct 21, 20141 votes

darius and morgana top is so toxic when you're playing as fiora. i was surprised when bots started taking darius and later when they started taking lux and morgana top. really ruins the game for a melee champion

Seth the BumOct 21, 20141 votes

I was playing vs Intermediate bots today and two of my own team were bots as well. Then one of the other actual players lost connection, or more likely, just decided to quit instead of dealing with the hassle. Thankfully one bot "AFK'd" to compensate for the disconnected player, but it still ended up essentially being 2v4 the whole game. We still won somehow, but bots are getting annoying if for no other reason than it ruins the more social aspect of League.

ZyyyZOct 21, 20141 votes

I have played hundreds of coop vs. ai and I can't recall seeing these "bots"....I've seen a lot of newbie players though. mostly they feed a few kills and then go disconnect.

If there is one thing I know on this account, that is coop vs. ai.

NeroUSOct 21, 20141 votes

I wonder how they pick which items to buy?

Cha0sr1pperOct 21, 20141 votes

@ZyyyZ the bots im talking about specifically, have only been showing up the last few days for me anyways, and only in Beginner CO vs AI. i haven't noticed bot players anywhere else personally, but i think thats because i'm not that great vs normal players anyway, having not played in a very long time, and i'm Likely only slightly better then the bots are xD

@NeroUS if i had to guess, id say they pick 3 or four items, and set the bot to just buy those when it has the gold to do so. but i'm not a programmer, so i have no idea

RicjeOct 22, 20141 votes

I had a bot in one of my games last week. Reported him @ Support and attached my replay file. He only "played" for another day and hasn't done anything for 7 days now. I suggest you do the same and they'll most likely get hit by the banhammer as well.

Funfact: We were talking about him botting when he suddenly started talking 25 minutes in. He was chatting while the bot was still playing and casting abilities ;') Guy claimed he was a "junior" and was "following people around for fun" etcetera :D Gotta love the kids that get caught and deny botting.

Catsup WatsupOct 24, 20141 votes

please be aware, i blotted out player names only because it was the right thing to do.

Protecting rule-breakers is the right thing to do? Well, it's not like Riot would do anything if you showed their names.

Botting is a way to earn free in-game currency. If you could theoretically hack the game to give yourself RP, Riot should be okay with that too. They should be MORE okay with that, since you wouldn't be griefing other players to do it. summoner 6 summoner 7

(My ISP sucks too much to play pvp, and people scripting waste my time on AI games)

Cha0sr1pperOct 25, 20141 votes

its not so much protecting them from riot, Catsup, its protecting them from other players griefing far more then a bad bot would, but i see your point.