ARAM dodging

ZerglingOne·Oct 9, 2015·7 votes·1,023 views

Is completely out of control and needs to be brought into line. I automatically know every time I've got a good team there's a 50%+ chance there's going to be a dodge on the other team because "waaaah I don't want to play Olaf, Aatrox, or Tryndamere. WAAAAH"

If you dodge, there needs to be a complete stripping of rerolls and then they should be forced to play the champion they dodged on, no reroll, no trade. There needs to be a real dodge penalty for ARAM because it is in essence cheating the system. Yes there's a wait period, and if I recall it starts at 15 minutes, but it's still not enough because people still do it nearly every time I queue up for ARAM with friends.

It's ARAM, not "I dodge if I don't get "

12 Comments

IlyaK1986Oct 11, 20153 votes

Would you rather have someone dodge an ARAM game, or waste 20 minutes getting crapped on?

ZerglingOneOct 11, 20151 votes

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Would you rather have someone dodge an ARAM game, or waste 20 minutes getting crapped on?

I would rather "waste" 20 minutes trying to make what we had work.

Saturnalia9Oct 13, 20151 votes

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Would you rather have someone dodge an ARAM game, or waste 20 minutes getting crapped on?

I'd have to agree with IlyaK, but why not just play SR or TT instead? That way you have no chances of rolling an Eve or... whatever other champions are weak in ARAM. I don't play ARAM simply because I don't like the chances of rolling a bad champ.

TL;DR: Don't play ARAM if you don't like random champions. Since I prefer melee champions, I just get the snowball (don't know what the proper name is, nor do I really care) so I can charge in immediately.

The only time I've ever played ARAM, I rolled a Nunu. Wait patiently for 6, snowball in and ult the entire enemy team. Good job, the teamfight is over and we won. I could expect the same for any other melee champion. Build tanky first, then get damage so you can help teamfights.... Of course, always get the snowball for the quick teleport utility.

IlyaK1986Oct 14, 20152 votes

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I'd have to agree with IlyaK, but why not just play SR or TT instead? That way you have no chances of rolling an Eve or... whatever other champions are weak in ARAM. I don't play ARAM simply because I don't like the chances of rolling a bad champ.

TL;DR: Don't play ARAM if you don't like random champions. Since I prefer melee champions, I just get the snowball (don't know what the proper name is, nor do I really care) so I can charge in immediately.

The only time I've ever played ARAM, I rolled a Nunu. Wait patiently for 6, snowball in and ult the entire enemy team. Good job, the teamfight is over and we won. I could expect the same for any other melee champion. Build tanky first, then get damage so you can help teamfights.... Of course, always get the snowball for the quick teleport utility.

See, that's the thing--it's not just about my champ pool. It's about 4 other people's champ pools. Sometimes, you have someone else on your team who rolls a bard AND eve. And sorry, but not even Galio is going to carry that short of having a Varus and Jayce on the team as well.

DrCyanideOct 9, 20152 votes

I think the biggest thing that would prevent dodging is if you keep the same champion.

Furthermore, you can't queue multiple people who have dodged together. This avoids conflicts of multiple people having to play the same champion next game, but it also prevents people from "stacking the deck", having everyone in their party play solo until they role a very good ARAM champion then dodging, then queueing up knowing what 5 champs they'll get.

FDruOct 10, 20153 votes

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I think the biggest thing that would prevent dodging is if you keep the same champion.

Your idea would backfire horribly. Players would just ask to trade for the strongest champ on their team before dodging to make sure they have a 100% chance of a good champ next time.

Then we would have teams of players queueing for ARAMs together with awesome champs locked in to form super teams.

Kholdstare13Oct 9, 20151 votes

Dodging needs 3 things.

1: MMR penalty. If you give up before the game even begins, count it as a loss. Bump the dodging freelo abusers back down to their actual skill level.

2: Forgiveness rework. Currently frequent dodging is forgiven after waiting a day. Just a day. Why should it count like that? Have it accumulate like leaves. Only decrease the severity upon completing several games. Frequent repeated dodging is the problem, and a free daily wipe and penalty reset helps nothing.

3: Penalty rework. The main thing dodgers do is to maintain multiple accounts so they can hop onto a different one while they wait out the dodge timer on another. Make it only tick down while logged in.

BastionKrossOct 9, 20151 votes

I'd say it depends on the reason for dodging. If someone gets stuck with a derpy ARAM champ with no rerolls, then dodges, then yes that deserves punishment. You inconvenienced nine other people because you rolled up Eve. Not cool.

But if someone dodges because their whole team is full of derpy ARAM champs, that's pretty acceptable to me. The main purpose of ARAM is to have fun, and it's difficult to do that when your ass is getting handed to you for 15+ minutes through no fault of your own but bad luck. While uncommon, sometimes you can take a look at your team comp and know that this will not be a fun game of ARAM.

You can also infer that if you ever get a really good or really bad team, your opponents probably didn't. Since champs can't be picked twice in ARAM, if your team rolls up a godlike ARAM champion like Sona, you take Sona away from your opponents even if they reroll. If your team comp looks like crap, the enemy team's probably doesn't because your team took away 4-5 bad champs for them to roll up.

So unless Riot lets you reroll for your entire team with some new mechanic, dodging can be a useful tool for ARAM games that you can reasonably assume will be heavily stacked against you and you won't have any fun with.

PaladinNOOct 9, 20153 votes

The whole point of ARAM is, as even the name suggests, it's random! All Random, All Mid - not IOnlyPlayWhatIWantOrDodge.

90% derpy picks, whatever that is supposed to translate as, is no excuse as you say. People should either be prepared to play with what they get before queing up, or don't bother at all.

There is this expression called "just suck it up and play". And I stick by that. I played my ARAM match #5000 awhile back, and I've never dodged once (apart from when the server decides to eat a dick, go afk for some "quality time" with a fellow server, and throw me/some/everyone out for internal technical reasons). And those who do dodge for paltry reason, aka anything other than family emergencies, better be damn glad I don't carry a banhammer with me, because I'd use that Jeremy Clarkson style!

Yes, I would ~~probably~~ feed badly if I got Eve, Trynda, Ww and Riven, and with Rammus, Yi and aQQ and honorable mentions, but even so I would stick with them. And I don't even roll Rammus (no pun intended), even though I hate him and I got 2 rolls available, if the team needs a tank. Ok? (pun intended).

"Put the team before yourself" is my mentality. Even says so in the rules. And yes, I am a support main.

_Okay, rant over. _

Peace!

PaladinNOOct 10, 20151 votes

I see some people is indeed very much inclined to dodge an ARAM game. It's cute. ^^ Let me guess: the reason is "it's only ARAM"?

EvilScotsman1974Oct 12, 20151 votes

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The whole point of ARAM is, as even the name suggests, it's random! All Random, All Mid - not IOnlyPlayWhatIWantOrDodge.

90% derpy picks, whatever that is supposed to translate as, is no excuse. People should either be prepared to play with what they get before queing up, or don't bother at all.

There is this expression called "just suck it up and play". And I stick by that. I played my ARAM match #5000 awhile back, and I've never dodged once (apart from when the server decides to eat a dick, go afk for some "quality time" with a fellow server, and throw me/some/everyone out for internal technical reasons). And those who do dodge for paltry reason, aka anything other than family emergencies, better be damn glad I don't carry a banhammer with me, because I'd use that Jeremy Clarkson style!

Yes, I would ~~probably~~ feed badly if I got Eve, Trynda, Ww and Riven, and with Rammus, Yi and aQQ and honorable mentions, but even so I would stick with them. And I don't even roll Rammus (no pun intended), even though I hate him and I got 2 rolls available, if the team needs a tank. Ok? (pun intended).

"Put the team before yourself" is my mentality. Even says so in the rules. And yes, I am a support main.

_Okay, rant over. _

Peace!

really i am like you i have 2500 arams played, i dont dodge, i suck with yi and kat and quite a few others who are classed as derpy champs, poppy, udyr, yorick ect you never know whats gonna happen.

I generally cant play poppy worth a crap but i will say i have had a few games where i have carried as poppy, i have seen games where poppy players have gone out of control, heck i even got a penta one time as kat, dont ask me how i did it but i did.

I fell in love with Galio playing him on Aram (yes i even have a penta with him on aram) i will always try and get him on aram if i can, but yeah as you say you really do have to look at your team comp and decide should i rr this champ (Rammus) when ther are 4 squishies? i have posted before that i have went up against op comps that are all kinda squish with no tank and wrecked them as they manage to get the upper hand early but as you start getting tankier they really fall off.

I own 119 champs i can play them all but i dont always play them well or am i very good at all of them but most of the time i am willing to give them a try just for the sake of it, you never know you may find one like i did in Galio that is a diamonf in the rough

AkiyumeOct 9, 20151 votes

Whereas it's true people dodge because they get a champion that's seen as weak (everyone Evelynn in ARAM has to complain about her being useless) but sometimes they just have to go or something. It would be nice if we could make a difference between them, but I guess we can't.