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Ranked MMR vs Your Current Division

LonxuLoL·8/23/2014, 10:11:56 PM·7 votes·3,088 views

Hi,

Lonxu here, from EU-North East. For some time now I've been very frustrated on how the LP system works. For example: I reached Diamond V, decayed to Platinum 3 - 75LP. Now upon entering ranked games I start from my old MMR of fighting versus diamond 2 and 3 opponents, but I'm in platinum. It doesn't quite make sense, does getting diamond 5 require beating diamond 2s? With the old system you lost MMR, so this would never happen.

This is also happening on my smurf. To get to gold I had to beat platinum 1s if I recall correctly. So what makes it worse that you don't even have to decay your LP to get this state, simply having high enough MMR from winning a lot of games makes it happen too.

I believe you adressed this issue in a recent(?) patch, by making the division skipping more aggressive. Indeed, I did skip from gold 3 70 LP to gold 1 0 LP on my smurf I think and from plat 3 75 LP to plat 1 0 LP, but it's still not enough.

This has been my only big issue with the LP system compared to the old one. With the old one you had a rating and opponents were always near it. Now, you might be fighting opponents a full league above you, just because the MMR and LP get sooo far apart. I'm sure It's related to not playing enough games, but it has happened on all of my accounts as I don't really play that much rankeds games and usually have 75%+ win rate.

So why is the MMR snowballing that much harder than LP? My understanding is that the MMR gains can grow rather exponentionally, yet I usually see the LP gains evening out at ~35 and not going higher, even if the disperancy between LP and MMR goes to a HUGE number.

**If my only goal was to get diamond border, I would get it easier by intentionally losing like 15 games in a row. Then I would be playing against Diamond Vs rather than Diamond 1s/2s. That's the only fix I would have to my situation. **I'm not evil enough to do it, but it's not a fun situation to be in.

The fix is rather simple. Make MMR and LP completely tied to each other or make the skipping system much more aggressive.

I'd like to hear the explanation for why the system allows this to happen or if it's unintended? Thanks.

Sorry for bad English, hope you understood my message.

16 Comments

BigfootNamedYeti8/23/2014, 11:52:55 PM5 votes

So yeah i guess im not the only one im flattered to have to play with diamonds and golds and shit but why in silver 4

Diamonesd8/23/2014, 10:21:43 PM4 votes

I ran into this same problem on all of my accounts. I was playing against diamond 3s and 2s in my Plat 2 promos (into plat 1). I am a good player and have just reached my Diamond promo series, but in plat 1, I lost 12 games and won 7. Going 7/19 and earning 100lp in that time means my mmr was simply way too high. I was getting 30 lp per win and losing 10 per loss. It doesnt make any sense to me, but Riot's league system is flawed. Their MMR system is pretty damn good in matchingmaking; however, if you go on a 10 game winstreak, it boost you very high.

Void22588/23/2014, 11:40:09 PM4 votes

I have this too. I am fighting to get out of bronze while playing matches with silver 2-Gold 5 Players.

MrBuffington8/24/2014, 1:13:30 AM2 votes

Happens in ranked 5s too; my team (four silvers and a plat player) won our first four placement games, then were put against a team of five diamond players. Not to mention that game, Riot was having problems so all our members disconnected and we got a "loss forgiven", except it still counted as a loss for our placement and we ended up in silver 2. System is broken all over the place.

Nilufar8/24/2014, 12:43:58 AM1 votes

Yep, it seems like MMR is completely separate from LP/rank. My friend is playing high plats (where he climbed to) while he is in gold II (where he decayed to). He's also getting less LP per win now like there's no bounce back for people who decayed.

He and I stopped caring since we can't even duo anymore since I'm diamond.

Zenzah8/24/2014, 3:34:22 AM1 votes

I've also ran into this problem pretty hard. I'm in silver 4, went to promo's for silver 3 * my MMR was much higher so I could skip divisions*, but then in my promo's I was playing against gold 3 -gold 1's. How in any way is that a fair assessment or promo's when the rest of my team were silver 5-silver 2's? Needless to say I then proceeded to go on a 7 game loss streak which lowered my MMR at least so now I'm playing against silver 2-gold 5s but why do I have to lose in order to even gain? And now I'm on a 6 game win streak which I'm sure is going to raise my MMR again. So why do I have to be punished by playing against people a full division higher then me when the reason for it is my division and my MMR are so far apart cause of how it works?

crack and weed8/24/2014, 3:56:10 AM1 votes

Riot to me: "Oh, you're silver 2? Lets have you play against a challenger."

Doumz8/24/2014, 9:25:16 PM1 votes

It's totally intended. The system wants to normalize you "at long-term".

You get matched with people higher because the system is trying to make you skip divisions faster because your mmr is higher. If you lose a lot like you say you could do, but you would only normalize your mmr making the "grind" take more time because you'll eventually get matched with them to get to diamond.