Teambuilder ELO?

Owatatsumi Kami·Sep 21, 2014·2 votes·3,974 views

I've been practicing in teambuilder playing Ahri mid and have won the majority of my games. I either win my lane or go even mostly. Though there are a few bad games in there I usually get double or triple my deaths and almost never have a negative kda. I really haven't noticed an increase in skill in my opponents that I'm matched against. How does teambuilder matching work? Is it ELO based? How long does it take for it to match me up with more challenging opponents?

Anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks in advance!

P.S. My original post was deleted by a moderator saying it was on the wrong board if this is the still the wrong please inform me where you want it. I've read the guidelines for the boards.

24 Comments

GreyXpelliarmusSep 21, 20142 votes

I made a post about Boards categories being confusing, and posted it on "Boards Feedback". It got deleted

Hyrum GraffSep 21, 20141 votes

What was the reason for its deletion, though? "Wrong Board" isn't the only reason mods delete posts.

Owatatsumi KamiSep 21, 20141 votes

Me or Grey?

Hyrum GraffSep 21, 20141 votes

Grey

GreyXpelliarmusSep 21, 20141 votes

It was wrong board. I thought I could give some Boards feedback in the Boards feedback section. I'll have to check what people post there

Hyrum GraffSep 21, 20141 votes

Could you copy-pasta your post here?

Owatatsumi KamiSep 21, 20142 votes

Oh, wow. I agree with you. Message boards are a new thing. Most people us forums and rules and guidelines for subforums are almost always in a sticky right at the top of the forum page. Here they are on the side and to be honest the "description" or "culture" blends in with everything else on the left side of the page and doesn't really stand out. Also, some of the descriptions are much too brief and general to really define what goes there. Just my two cents.

GreyXpelliarmusSep 21, 20141 votes

Yup, pretty much what I posted

lorewiseSep 21, 20142 votes

You can view your opponents and their solo ranking by checking out your history on sites like LolKing. If you're not noticing an increase in the skill of your opponents, are you looking at yourself? By this I mean are you evaluating your mistakes? If you can't see that you're being outplayed, then you should evaluate your own play and see where you've made mistakes.

Another thing to look at is your match ups and who is killing you. Are you dying more in lane? Then you're probably matched against a champion that counters yours. Are you dying more in team fights? It may be another champion or you may need to look at your positioning.

Before looking at hidden values and matchmaking for answers I'd look at my own games, and evaluate why I got killed. Did I forget to ward? Was I out of position? Did I get too aggressive and get baited? Miss a skill shot? Get hit by a skill shot I should have dodged? Just as a few examples.

In case you're interested here's a link to your Lolking profile with match history.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/48942155#matches/1545686245

It looks like the highest ranked opponents you've faced are in Silver. That may have something to do with it, but as I stated above your opponent's ranking isn't the most important thing to look at.

Owatatsumi KamiSep 21, 20142 votes

Yes, I've been checking who I'm matched up against on LolKing and that and the lack of challenge in game is why I've been wondering why I haven't been paired with people with higher skill and solo que ranking.

You mention great things to look at in order to improve my game. Thank you! Since you've looked at my LolKing profile you must be able to see that unless I've been missing something my performance has been good, and if not the best, the second best in most of the games I've played on Ahri. So though you've given me great advice for improving my game, it doesn't really help or explain why I haven't seen an increase in the challenge of my opponents since I'm performing well, especially statistically (unless I'm really missing something) and as far as I know this is what the match making system evaluates and not things that are hard for a computer to measure like positioning. Please correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstood.

Please don't get the wrong idea, you've given me great advice on what to look at in order to improve my game and I'm grateful. But I'm having a hard time seeing how these things apply to the issue I'm encountering in my matchmaking since I'm winning games 2:1, winning my lane or going even, and have the best or second best kda and often times farm out of both teams for most of my games. I also place the most wards out of both teams and am sometimes the only one even buying them (if anything I have to decrease how many I purchase!) and avoid most ganks or successfully turn them around. Not saying that I'm playing perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and there is always something I can improve, but I believe I'm playing consistently better than my opponents on this champion.

lorewiseSep 21, 20141 votes

Indeed it looks like you're doing great! I guess I misunderstood your question because I thought you were asking why you were having more deaths but not noticing an increase in opponent skill.

Owatatsumi KamiSep 21, 20141 votes

Oh, hahaha, no worries! :) Perhaps I phrased it badly.

By the way, thanks again for the tips on how to improve my play. You gave all around good advice and I'll definitely use it to get even better!

lorewiseSep 21, 20141 votes

Nah that was mostly me, after reading your post again I see what you're saying. I just got hung up on the part about deaths and didn't take the full post into account.

TheJuzzoOct 2, 20142 votes

It does adjust eventually. Was silver 4 and getting matched with the same folk I would get matched with in ranked (b4-s2). Went on a Lucian kick and spammed him for a few weeks (In TB). Had an awesome win rate. More often than not it started matching me against gold players in the bot lane (be it adc, support, or both) and/or giving me worse and worse supports (like sub 30 support for me vs. g5 adc g2 support as one of the extreme examples).

On one hand, it killed my massive win streak, on the other I learned to play passively and how to lose lane but come back mid/late game as a game changer. Comes in handy, and the experience is great to have in ranked, however I have to find a new champ to learn how to hard carry with for when I want to just sit down and stomp a game of TB.

Hyrum GraffSep 21, 20141 votes

I made a post about Team Builder a while back, and one of the site devs told me to post it in Gameplay & Balance, so I did; however, I think this should be the proper board for all things TB related.

As to the content of your post, I believe TB uses an ELO system just like blind (but, it's a seperate elo). It also takes into consideration your experience on a champ/lane. If you sustain a high win rate, you should be placed against better opponents pretty quickly.

Owatatsumi KamiSep 21, 20141 votes

Haha, that's funny. That's actually where I initially posted this and it was deleted! Though I can see this board fitting it, too.

Yeah, that's what I originally thought but it doesn't seem to be happening. My win rate is at least 2:1 overall. Out of my last 27 Ahri games in Teambuilder I've only lost 9. My longest win streak has been 5 games in a row. My longest losing streak only 2.

I don't know, perhaps I'm not doing as well as I think I am?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/211971428?champion=103&matchType=1&map=1

Hyrum GraffSep 21, 20143 votes

ELO is based only on win rates, so while I can't speak to how well you're doing in game, your win rate seems to say you're doing pretty well.

You don't gain elo overnight, but I'd consider it weird if you keep up a win rate like that and aren't matched with better opponents within a week or two, depending on how often you play.

12talesSep 21, 20142 votes

You could gain Elo with a 50% win rate if you were playing against people higher Elo than yourself.

Hyrum GraffSep 21, 20142 votes

True, but with a 66% win rate you'll gain elo pretty quickly.

Owatatsumi KamiSep 21, 20141 votes

Ok, thanks. That's pretty helpful. That was the other thing I was thinking. Maybe if I'm doing as well as I think I am it just takes more time for my match-ups to adjust.

Not as quick of adjustment I'd like but I guess if you have a losing streak you wouldn't want to lose your all your elo right away. I'll give it some more time then and post again if nothing changes in a week or two.

KaWraithOct 7, 20141 votes

Teambuilder calculates a special MMR for you, and applies modifiers: if you queue as Ahri mid your MMR will get like +300 (this is a fictional example) in order to account for your skills at ahri mid... if you decide to try something completely new, like jungle rumble, it will set you around 1200, to account for it having no idea how you will do at that champ/role.