Can we get a red to remind people that visuals and gameplay have to compliment one another?

Linna Excel·2/18/2019, 10:11:00 PM·6 votes·1,159 views

I'm seeing a ton of posts about the kayle update but not much in the realm of reason or understanding. If a character looks like such and such then he needs to behave like his visuals suggest, if a character has a certain gameplay then he needs to looks like he belongs in a certain role. Thus if kayle's gameplay doesn't match the fantasy of what you'd expect from a knight in full plate then she really can't look like one.

Mark Freaking Rosewater literally talked about this last week.

When Richard Garfield first tested Magic with his playtesters, he made tiny pieces of cardboard (about three inches by one and a half inches) with the text photocopied on them. _Even those earliest playtest cards had pictures on them because Richard understood the very concept I'm explaining now—pictures help convey the flavor and make the game a richer experience. _

This is game design 101 people. Things should pass the eyeball test.

No one wanted Kayle to be an AP bruiser. No one begged riot "please make kayle a tank". The visual looks had to go because if I see someone in full plate, then I'm expecting a certain type of champion. The reworked kayle looks like what a champ with the old kayle gameplay should be. An on-hit AP mage shouldn't be wearing full plate. Now if people played her like a hybrid bruiser paladin then I could see kayle keeping the plate. That's not how people played her.

A typical Kayle build starts like this: item 3115 item 3124 item 3085. That's not a tank build. That's not a tank's playstyle. Thus Kayle is not a tank. Since she's not a tank, then she can't look like one because that's basic game design principles.

There's also a second reason riot is justified for changing Kayle's looks. It's pretty simple. Leona exists. She fills that visual niche and has an appropriate gameplay to match it. If you want full plate Kayle, then you are asking riot to make a leona part 2. No one was asking for leona part 2. Now if there are enough requests, I'm sure riot will consider it. I'd be happy if they did a female bruiser pally for top/jungle.

What riot did makes sense. It follows basic design principles.

6 Comments

MankeyMadness2/18/2019, 10:39:19 PM5 votes

The VGU hasnt even dropped to PBE yet. People are livid and whining because they hate new things. Its human nature but also immature and poor behavior. Once they actually see it in game and play it they'll form more solid opinions.

New Kayle looks rad as hell and Morgana is pure goth beauty

Quepha2/19/2019, 12:50:41 AM3 votes

Someone needs to remind Riot that Kayle is a champion people have been playing for nearly a decade, and Kayle’s character means something to those people. This is just another rework made with no respect for people who actually care about the character.

Abibyama II2/18/2019, 11:38:30 PM2 votes

Plus it makes more sense aerodynamically since she's flying and stuff

DrCyanide2/19/2019, 1:22:25 AM2 votes

"Basic design principles" say you don't armor the arms, legs, and head of a character and leave their torso completely exposed.

The reason people are complaining now is the same reason people complained about Kayle's splash art update - it took a character that was androgynous (a cool "Oh, she's a girl" moment) and then tried as hard as possible to showcase that she has boobs. Thesplash art did this through her balled up pose, the new model does this with the leotard front.

Even if you say she's got to lose her armored look, you can still find designs that keep a champion covered in a way that doesn't immediately convey their gender. Robes would work equally well.

GreenLore2/19/2019, 12:00:49 AM1 votes

I think this is the most likely reason why they made her less armored,because she isn't supposed to be tanky.

However I do think that the bodysuit-like armor looks kinda out of place, they really should have looked for alternatives there.