So Vladimir's not a vampire...but what is he?

Over Innsmouth·1/24/2016, 3:57:00 PM·6 votes·2,165 views

Note: I'm not totally sure if this should be in Gameplay or Story since this has elements of both, but since my prior thread went in story I'm placing this one here.

So, a few days ago I made a thread highlighting that Vladimir is not canonically a vampire, despite his affinity with pop culture interpretations out of the way.

Great, that's out of the way.

But a lot of people associate him largely - if not solely - with that. So we find ourselves with a bit of an identity crisis. Just who is Vladimir?

Everyone is going to have different answers - and I'd love to hear them. For some, he's just a mandatory vampire reference. To others, he's the %%%% cancer of top lane that ruined it for melees before the days of Lulu and deserves to be gutted to oblivion. For others still, he's a so-so easy-to-forget pick that comes along once in a while and either underperforms or somehow gets unbelievably fed and can reliably 1v3 mid-lategame. Perhaps he's just a pun-slinging mess of a Champion doomed by archaic game design. Perhaps he's a doorstopper in Riot's history as to why they no longer allow cost-less sustain.

I personally - as a devoted main - have two views of Vladimir. One that is of the character, and the other of the kit.

As a character, Vladimir is a strange example of Noxus of someone who deeply resembles the nobility that corrupted it in Darkwill's time, but also made his way to the top through sheer power. He's someone who doesnt need to take life or threats seriously, because that's what his power allows him, after all; what beats a power that can manipulate the very substance within your veins and arteries? The puns are a product of this carefree attitude, as he simply doesnt need to care about reinforcing winning strategies or his convictions. The vampire stuff reflected in his skins and general aesthetics? I choose to interpret that as two things: early design sin, when League of Legends wasn't developed enough to have truly unique ideas and a blood character must also be vampire-esque (no offence meant towards Riot) and letting their characters be a little quirky - such as Mordekaiser's awesome yet generally nonsensical fondness for heavy metal.

There's also a separate part of him that I personally believe would serve to flesh out his lore, but for now that's non-canon, so it's not important.

From a gameplay perspective - and what it probably more important considering recent announcements, Vladimir is primarily three things for me. Firstly, he is defined by his sustain. There are many Champions in League that have sustain and a good number of them are quite reliant on it (Nasus Swain XinZhao Aatrox , but take away their sustains and the core parts of their kit would still be intact. Nasus would still be known for his stacks, Swain for his DoTs and Ravenous Flock, Xin for his sustained AA-based damage and cc, and Aatrox would still have his Revive Passive, CC, and multiple AS self-buffs. Vlad without his sustain would be in objective terms; a low-impact, low-cd, low-range, minimal-cc mage with incredibly slow scaling, good defensive stats for a mage via passive and an untargetable gimmick.

Or in my terms: not-Vlad. Three of four of his abilities have some form of healing or heal-buffing. His high-intensity self-sustain needs to stay if/when Riot decides to rework him. I am entirely on board with making his primary source of sustain harder to benefit from or less binary than his current Q, but it still needs to be totally reliable.

Secondly, he is tanky. Both his sustain making his hp bar artificially bigger than it is and his passive making his hp bar actually bigger are the contributing factors. That needs to stay. Vladimir being the mage who finds greatest comfort in the middle of the fight is part of his gameplay identity. You take him mid against bursters because he can anti their burst with his hp pool and slurp all that health back up. You take him top against bruisers and tanks because he can match their beefiness.

Thirdly, there is a sense of versatility in playing Vladimir. You can go top or mid to suit the matchup, and beyond item 3152 , you're pretty free to build as you please and should expect to see success. Want to go Burstimir and build as much AP as you want? Go for it, your passive will reward you for that and Sanguine Pool ensures (like mADC's each having some form of survivability in their kits) that you won't get blown up anyway. Tankimir? You'll become the closest thing League has to a true Drain-Tank that almost never dies. Somewhere in the middle? You'll get a little of both worlds and benefit immensely from it.

This is all just my opinion, I don't mean to present it as some form of Crimson Reaper gospel, but rather a one of the voices of a fan of the haemomancer. As I mentioned above, I'd love to hear what others have to say about Vlad. I hope someone at Riot sees this and at least takes a view like mine into consideration in terms of what to look to maintain, and if not then so be it.

Have a lovely day, all.

14 Comments

GreenLore1/24/2016, 4:20:30 PM3 votes

Well every champion is defined on multiple levels,so I'll go through them and give my thoughts on them On a thematic Level Thematically Vlad is the hemomancer of the game.There might be other champions who have a few blood-related abilities(looking at Aatrox and maybe Eve),but I'm pretty sure there won't be another champ solely based on blood-abilities ever,simply because that is Vlads thing. The vampire-like design is also something unique to him,but I think it is more of a secondary theme to him,so there could be a real vampire character in the future if said vampire avoids similarities with vlad.

On a gameplay level I think Vlads gameplay role is pretty much clear.He is like a combination of mage and drain-tank.He doesn't have high amounts of burst,like other mages,but he isn't that squishy either and can heal himself the more damage he deals. In fact I'd say Vlad is LoLs best example of a drain tank,as no one else relies so much on life-steal like Vlad.

On a Lore-Level Well from Sions teaser we know that Vlad has a blood cult(and maybe even connections to the black rose),which is rather interesting. However he also looks like he is a noble,which would be kind of interesting to give us some insight into the noxian nobility.(yeah there are also Kata and Cass to do that,but them being nobles seems less important to their characters). It could give us some insight about how the noxian nobles are affected by swains rise to power(though looking at the sion teaser,he might support swain)

On a Personality-level I think the puns are a good thing.I know that Riot made a lot of champions less serious,but they should also watch out to not make everyone the same and I have the feeling that if you take away the puns from vlad,he'll basically turn into Karthus 2.0 personality-wise. What gives me hope that Vlad will always keep his puntastic side is that bloodlord vlad is pretty much "serious vlad",so if they made regular vlad too serious then the blood lord skin would loose a bit of its appeal. Of course the puns shouldn't be everything to vlads character,they should be merely a part of his personality.

Tohob1/24/2016, 4:11:46 PM2 votes

i'd just like to say that Warwick and Fiddlesticks would not be intact without their sustain. while their characters are not as defined in their sustain as Vladimir is, i'd still consider Warwick's sustain as the most important part of his kit, and Fiddlesticks's drain as the second most important, after his fear.

i think XinZhao and Nasus would've served as better examples for that bit.

Blitzidious1/26/2016, 4:29:59 PM2 votes

He's a Hemomancer! Someone who manipulates blood! Quite, a stright forward answer. :p

l Helios l1/24/2016, 4:17:26 PM1 votes

Yeah technically a hemomancer or manipulator of blood. That aspect needs to be differentiated from a vampire in Vlad's identity imo

Darius Strada1/24/2016, 4:14:49 PM1 votes

TL;DR Vladimir is a hemomancer.

Krizalid1/24/2016, 5:29:50 PM1 votes

I'm a huge Castlevania fan and Vladimir is my main and the reason why I've picked him is that he looks, acts and named after vampire, even though he's a blood mage. Also, not every vampire needs to bite his enemies. Look at Dio Brando and JoJo's vampires in particular, they can suck one's blood with their fingers (and they become vampires by putting on the stone mask).

Jet Sett1/24/2016, 6:07:19 PM1 votes

I agree with you completely, but I have a really important question I think we all need answered before Riot reworks Vlad; If Vladimir is targeted for this rework because he is unhealthy in the game currently, would he need to be switched to mana as a resource? And would this keep his current identity as a sustain tank if there were points where he would be unable to do so? How much of his identity can we preserve while keeping Vladimir healthy for the state of the game? I honestly wouldn't know, but I feel this is important if we want to at least reach a compromise on what makes Vladimir, Vladimir, and what makes Vladimir healthy.

Jcrcmiah1/24/2016, 4:07:22 PM1 votes

Hes a hemomancer.