Kindred : Not what we think

Drakath2002·6/10/2018, 6:24:57 PM·1 votes·1,641 views

Kindred has always been viewed as the Grim Reaper, always appears before people who are either dying or having close death experiences..... except that's not true....

During Pyke's detailed description of his death and resurrection in the Juall-Fish's insides never was it mentioned that he saw Kindred

As Swain was slowly dying from his wounds before he saved himself with demonic powers never was it mentioned that He saw Kindred

When WarWick died and transformed into the beast he became never was it stated that Kindred was there

When Evelynn killed Vayne's parents where was the said Grim Reaper of Runeterra?

Didn't Karma die and reincarnated hundreds of times over? And not once did she meet Lamb and Wolf?

What if Kindred aren't death? But Demons that feeds off the belief that they are? And just so happen to be around people's deaths... or worse.... influence the events that lead to their prey's death

When you think of it, demons seem to be on mutual terms and would probably stay away from each other's preys

This would explain her lack of presence when Evelynn killed Vayne's parents, Swain's demon tried to feast on his soul and every unfortunate victim of Kench and Nocturn, they are fellow demons, they don't compete for food, after all there are many creatures to supply them with misery (Tahm), pain (Evelynn), fear (Nocturn), last moment belief in Omnipotence (Kindred) and souls (Swain's demon)

I also recently posted a theory that Pyke is a vessel/puppet for Tahm Kench, if that theory is false or has holes in them it doesn't affect this theory much, but if it's true or very likely then it strengthens this theory by explaining why they weren't present at Pyke's death cause he was Tahm's meal not theirs

But yeah

Kindred

False Reaper

Just two demons that feed off people believing they are above all and will come for all

So determined to hold onto this charade that they started to actually believe their own lies and trickery

18 Comments

Ebonmaw Dragon6/10/2018, 6:35:51 PM4 votes

As far as i know, they only appear to the person when the person dies... so, in the case of the parents of Vayne for example, only they saw Kindred... and they died. Vayne and Evelyn did not see Kindred because they were not going to die.

Swain saved himself... that means that he did not die, so, Kindred did not appear. Same can be said about Warwick, he is alive, not dead, so, Kindred did not appear.

Pike is a different case, we dont know what happens in cases of undead, but we know that Kindred dislikes the undeads... So, it is possible that the ressurection stops Kindred from doing their job (so, they dont appear).

Karma in other hand is special, maybe they (all the previous "Karma") forget Kindred when they reincarnate.

Chembaron Yamada6/10/2018, 6:41:21 PM3 votes

Many of the things you mentioned can simply explained by the fact that these either didn't die or simply got removed from the circle of reincarnation.

Pyke He became undead because of the magic of the Jaull, so Kindred had no power here. Undeads are a thorn in Kindreds side, they are unnaturally repelling them.

Swain He didn't die and it could be that Kindred just knew that his time hadn't come yet.

Warwick We actually have no idea if Kindred were present. If they were, then just Warwick (the guy who died) could have seen them, but we just got this story from Singeds point of view. Maybe he saw them, but forgot about it?

Vayne If I remember correctly, then wrong point of view again, since we didn't get told the story from the perspective of the parents. And we actually have no idea what effect a demon has here, it is even possible that a death caused by a demon removes you from the circle of reincarnation again.

Karma It would make sense for her to know about Kindred, since she saw them many times and remembers her former lives. This could give opportunity to finally have a champion directly interacting with them. But we didn't get a story in which she died just yet (as far as I know).


I think we simply lack information here. How many times do we read about the death of someone with their perspective, while not twisting that death in an unnatural way (like becoming undead or stuff like that)?

ModKnightsKemplar6/10/2018, 7:53:03 PM3 votes

It's a great theory that exposes current holes/gaps in the plot.

I view this sort of like the "Jar-Jar is a sith lord" theory. Awesome, consistent, and fun, but not correct.

Axzarious6/10/2018, 8:49:41 PM1 votes

I'd say the only way for Kindred to really make sense is as some form of Twin Demons rather than a personification of death, or grim reaper expy.

The stories and lore they take place in suggest that they're things more closely tied to the physical world, arbitrarily designating those they encounter. I remember one story, that took place on a battlefied in which a solider decided to run. He didn't get struck by a blade. He didn't fight the enemy. Wolf hunted him down anyways. All of it simply because Kindred had decided they'd all die by marking them. He wasn't slain by the enemies he was in combat with, but by Kindred.

While the grim reaper is commonly said to appear to people in their final moments, Kindred doesn't. They don't appear in the final moments of somebody about to die. They actively seek out people to end, and it's the equivalent of some thug coming up to you and asking "Are you going to let me shoot you? Or would you rather run and have my dog eat you?"

Even if this isn't true, Kindred is already full of plot-holes as a character and a concept.