How do they work? A look at Aatrox, Bard, Tahm Kench and Kindred

Sharjo··69 votes·10,134 views

So with Tahm Kench and Kindred, hell even Bard, there seems to be a bit of confusion about them because, in the canon, sometimes they're considered to be entirely fictitious. Flavour lore is what this is called; elements added to a world or story to give it more depth through the use of the in-universe perspective of things, but this can make it a bit complicated when the facts aren't laid out for the reader. So how do these beings work in the world itself, if they're little more than fairy tales to almost everyone who doesn't know better? Let's look at things.

So firstly, to clarify, Bard, Tahm Kench and Kindred all actually exist in the canon. They are real. To we as readers that's a given, but in the lore itself their existence is debated. Most will pass them off as folk legends or stories told to scare the kids, especially in the case of the latter two. The problem we have is that as readers we lack the information to know how they actually work in the universe beyond this, which can create confusion, so let's use a prior example to help us out!


Aatrox: How does he work? http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Aatrox_0.jpg

Aatrox was a champion made in the era of long bios summarising the champion's history, which is seeing a return, but he's also of a similar nature to our three mystery enigmatic friends in the way he exists in the universe, so let's examine things:

What we as readers know:

-Aatrox is one of the Darkin, of which five remain and only three are known to history in any capacity. -Aatrox often intervenes in human conflicts, saving the losing side from what would have been a crushing defeat before leaving them to crush their adversaries. -He achieves the above by empowering the losing side with a mysterious power of his that inspires immense bloodlust. After a little bit of a push in the right direction they can continue without him. -Aatrox's first know appearance was during the conflict between two humans factions known as the Magelords and the Protectorate. He turned the tide for the Protectorate and then buggered off, but his influence remained until they won the war. -Aatrox has appeared in the history of Shurima, Freljord, Demacia, Noxus and Ionia, but his exact actions aren't well known as of yet. -Aatrox is heralded as a hero by all those he has ever aided.

What people in Runterra know:

-Nothing.

No one in Runeterra actually knows anything about Aatrox with the exception of a few scholars and Ezreal, and that's from them piecing things together without any clear direction as to where they were really going with this. From an in canon perspective Aatrox basically doesn't exist, and he is almost completely forgotten by the world, even among the people who he helped. His influence remains through iconography made to immortalize him, but beyond that? Nothing. Nada. Zero.

With the information we have as readers we know how Aatrox kinda works. He appears to turn the tide of war and then disappears. The mysterious surrounding him are more about his motives and species rather than how he actually exists. We know that both from both a narrative and in canon perspective. So let's take the above and apply it to the other champions.


Bard: How does he/it work? http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Bard_0.jpg

So Bard was the first of these weird mysteries and probably the more clear cut of the lot. So let's go over things; What is Bard and what's he about?

What we as readers know:

-Bard is a celestial being that travels the various planes of existence that intersect with Runeterra. -Bard's goal is to keep the universe safe from destruction. He pays some special attention to Runeterra. -Bard works solely to stop major catastrophes from obliterating things entirely. A magic relic that's being used for chaos? Gotta remove that from the equation. Catastrophic event that could break the universe? Gotta go fix that shit. -Bard is super ancient and has appeared across many cultures with many different names. His current name was given to him by the Bards of the Mountain, and is not his first or only name. He might not even have a real name. He also lacks an identifiable sex. -Bard works in ways that aren't so easy to perceive for humans, and he doesn't actively work to save humans. It's not that he doesn't like or care about them at all, it's that universal integrity is higher on his priorities than human lives. -Bard travels the universe using a harmonic key, which he uses to create portals via the magical friction to travel to different realities. -Bard bore witness to the birth of the Shadow Isles, the Fall of Shurima and the Overthrowing of the Frozen Watchers, but his actions during those events are unknown. -Bard did something in Shurima. The exact nature is unknown but Nasus probably knows. Just sayin'. -If Bard talks to you, you'll know what he's talking about. If he's not, then you'll just here music.

What people in Runterra know:

-The Bards heralded him as a great caretaker and had some deal with him to safeguard an egg. They failed and Bard had to step in. -Bard is a being of immense power and influence. -The stars herald Bard's coming and going. -Beyond the Bards of the mountain, it is unknown what other cultures Bard has affected, both directly and indirectly, or how they view him.

In the canon, Bard is as mysterious as they come and, like Aatrox, is pretty much an enigma. Unlike Aatrox though, Bard is way more pronounced in his influence. He doesn't mess around and is right in there to fix things if shit hits the fan. Culturally, Bard is just as confusing to the people of Runeterra as he is us, if not more so, because they don't even have a couple of the answers we have about him.

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An important detail about how Bard relates to the canon is that Runeterra physically reacts to his presence. As seen in both Bard: Mountain, the Wonder Above and in his pre-release teasers when Bard markings were all over the Rift, when Bard's doing something in Runeterra it's evident. The stars respond and places aligned with him react to his presence. I suppose you can think about it in the same way all the candles going out in a room when a spirit enters; but in Bard's case he's not putting out the candles, the candles put themselves out for Bard.

So to summarise “How does Bard work?”, he works like a universal agent – he gets magical messaging when he's needed, magical journey's his way in to save the day, and Runeterra gives magical messaging through places aligned with him to warn folks that Bard's dealing with shit.

Alright that was simple enough I guess. Or was it? I dunno, you tell me if that helped you understand Bard a little bit, but now let's get on to Kindred, because Tahm's a bit more complex so I'm saving him till last.


Kindred: How do they work? http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/a/a6/Kindred_OriginalSkin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150917025717

So Kindred is essentially Runeterra's grim reaper, but how do they operate? Let's examine shall we?

What we as readers know:

-Kindred is two entities: Lamb and Wolf. They were originally a single entity and are intrinsically linked to one another. -The main legend about Kindred is that a death was lonely as all things shunned him for being death, so he took an axe and split himself in two so he would always have a friend. -Kindred takes the same role (for all intents and purposes) that the Grim Reaper does in real life; ushering souls to the hereafter. They do this by killing people, which then delivers their souls to the afterlife of Runeterra. -Lamb represent accepting death and going peacefully. Wolf represents running from death and struggling before eventually dying. -Kindred does not appear physically in Runeterra in any capacity as far as we know. -Lamb is the more knowledgable and coordinated part of Kindred. Wolf is the instinctive and emotional part.

What people in Runeterra know:

-The legend of how Kindred came to be; this likely exists with different interpretations depending on where in Runeterra you are, but just about every culture in Runeterra has some form of legend concerning Kindred. -The mark of Kindred is a sign of death.

Alright this makes for a very weird existence here huh? Kindred doesn't physically appear in Runeterra, but still kills people? How the hell does that work? For this we have to go a little deeper, and look at some more tricky things: Kindred's “They are coming” teasers.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/5b/They_Are_Coming_promo.png/revision/latest?cb=20150829192559

There were two main teasers released before the video where Lamb and Wolf talk to each other, and we all know them by now: The swirl and the twin masks. Why are these important? Well they give us context as to how Kindred actually works in Runeterra. Allow me to elaborate:

-The mark that appeared for the teaser is the Mark of the Kindred, and which is essentially the mark of death. -It appeared randomly on champions at any point in a match and could happen to anyone at any given time. -The twin masks appeared whenever a champion died. -Only one of the masks would ever appear; Lamb's or Wolf's. Not both.

So from this we can glean that Kindred exists beyond the physical realm, but the world still shows them working. To explain this I'll use an analogy from Harry Potter (I'm sorry but this is the only one I can remember to properly explain this)

In book three of the Harry Potter series, Harry has a fortune shown via tea leaves in a cup, which is known as Tessomancy or something. Fuck if I know. Anyway, the leaves showed a black wolf, which was a sign of danger and death in one's future, with the wolf itself being the symbol, providing it appeared in real life, that death was on its way. The details here might be a bit sketchy but it's been over a decade since I've read or seen Harry Potter so cut me some slack!

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090407185401/harrypotter/images/e/ed/Tea_leaves_1.jpg

Now imagine yourself in Runeterra. You've got tea leaves at the bottom of your mug and you're like, “Huh, what a weird shape. It looks like two swirls. What could that mean I wonder?” and then you take it to your granny and say “Hey, anything special about this?” and then she starts crying because you've got the Mark of the Kindred and are doomed to die soon. This is how Kindred operates. Signs in the world, be they accidental or otherwise, act as omens of death that show Kindred is coming for your butt. In a way, Kindred's actual gameplay is essentially like the natural progression of your life; you were about to die, it's just you actually see Kindred killing you in game. In a spiritual kind of way Kindred probably exists everywhere and appears, like in their splash art, over the dead, coming to claim them.

If we draw back to the masks, the Lamb mask symbolised the person accepting death and Lamb taking them quickly and easily. The Wolf mask represents them resisting and trying to escape, to which Wolf hunts them down and kills them. Kindred is a hunter of souls; they take the dead either willing or unwilling, because that's their job. In reality the idea that they don't physically appear in Runeterra makes much more sense now; they're spirits hunting other spirits. They exist in a realm beyond the living one.

So hopefully that explained something decently, now on to the most complicated guy in the bunch (to me at any rate) Tahm Kench!


Tahm Kench: How does he work? http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/TahmKench_0.jpg

So, the River King, the Abyssal Maw, the Great Debt Collector, the Uncle of Despair, the...uh...Fuck I can't think of any good titles. Mr. Kench. What's up with him?

What we as readers know:

-Tahm Kench is the self titled River King; a river demon who is fairly infamous. -He is super ancient and predates humanity. He has appeared throughout history countless times. -Tahm Kench's thing is that he feasts on despair, and so makes bargains with people, offering them safe travel in exchange for that despair, which he collects later when he knows it'll be best. -Tahm Kench's current form is linked to Bilgewater, as is his name and current demeanour. This is not his true form, not his first form and certainly won't be his last. -Before lurking around Bilgewater he was stalking Yordles. Just about all Yordles know about him, but they probably don't know about his identity as Tahm Kench.

What people in Runeterra know:

-He's a mysterious, silver tongued monster who'll give you what you want, but take everything away from you later. -He's the River King, so you'll find him around the rivers. -Tahm Kench specifically is known in Bilgewater through the tale of the Handsome Gambler. He is known by a different name and face by the Yordles.

Right so what does that leave us with? Tahm's a being who isn't exactly the easiest to pin down, so what is he even? Well let's start with what we know: He's a demon. A river demon to be exact, and he feeds on despair. But what's that really get us? Not a whole lot, so let's look at the lore that introduced him to the canon: “The River King”, and the mysterious river laugh.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/ff/Tahm_promo_10.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150627133554

In the video we hear Tahm talking about the story of the Handsome Gambler, of which he was a part of. He was there, he met the Gambler, took him to a new life and then took it all away. But what can be gleaned from this? Things become clearer when we consider the laugh.

For those who didn't catch it; before Tahm Kench was introduced there was a thing that occurred on the Rift that was pretty creepy: when people died they would hear a mysterious, diabolical laugh. Now what's important here is that it didn't matter where in the river people died, they would still hear it. Now let's look back at The River King video: Tahm just came out of nowhere, singing a tune for the Gambler to hear. He snapped up the Gambler and conveyed him to a new location. He can do this in-game too! He then disappeared, only to return to claim his payment, and left by the river again. This indicates a great deal as to Tahm's actual nature as a river demon.

Considering his ability to be anywhere in the River at any time, and his dubious physicality in Runeterra, it stands to reason that Tahm's true form is actually a presence within the river itself. Let's reaffirm one of Tahm's most iconic lines:

*“Boy the world's one river, and I'm its king. Ain't no place I ain't been, ain't no place I can't go again.” *

Other variations include: “All the world's a river, and I'm its king.”, “Every river ends in me!”, “The river never stops!” and so on.

If we consider Tahm as a presence/force within a river as opposed to being a physical entity, then things begin to add up more. His form can change because it's a construct made by this force. He can be anywhere he wants, go anywhere he wants, because he is in the river, but let me stress this; Tahm is not physical and is not bound by physics or conventions. He is a demon. When I say he's “in the river”, think of it being that he haunts the river; that he is a part of the entire river. The only thing keeping him in check is that he seems to be stuck haunting on particular river at a time, since not all rivers actually link up.

BUT WAIT! They do! Via the sea.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/d/db/Tahm_promo_09.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150627133546

The demon we know as Tahm Kench inhabits rivers and likely uses the seas as a means of travelling from place to place. He looks for places where he might feast on the greatest despair, and goes there. Before he preyed on Yordles, likely due to their mentality and social nature making them good candidates for people to drive to despair, but now he's gone for Bilgewater. Why? Well not only is it a hive of scum and villainy for a lot of the time but it's also had some recent tragedies, ten of them to be exact (I hope I'm right in that it's actually ten): The Harrowings. The amount of despair in a place beget by the forces of death itself? It's a veritable buffet just waiting to be chowed down on, but it's not that easy for Tahm, after all, he's a river demon, not a get up in your grill and smack you silly demon. How's he gonna entice people to get their despair?

Well this is where the story of the handsome gambler comes in to play. Remember the last line of The River King?

“So cry all you want boy, 'cuz you had a chance to walk away! Instead you're the fool, the fool who let me in!”

If you already get what I'm about to say just from that, hats off to you good sir! If not then I'll kindly elaborate for you. Tahm made his deal with the gambler and made his life hell after giving him everything. This is a legend that is now well known in Bilgewater. This legend's existence is what Tahm refers to when he talks about being let in. In this context, he specifically means Bilgewater. The Gambler's tale told the people about Tahm, it told them about his existence. It opened the door for Tahm so now he exists in their culture. People know about him, people think about him, and people fear him. But humans are stupid. Some people might believe whatever they desire is worth a bargain with Tahm Kench. Some might be idiotic enough to believe they could just best him in a fight, but regardless of what they think Tahm was let in to their lives. The door was opened and now folks will come and find Tahm on their own, and they'll bring their despair with them.

To summarise Tahm; he's a presence that exists in rivers and can manifest a physical form to interact with people. The legend of the Handsome Gambler was the thing that allows Tahm to haunt Bilgewater so well, as now people know about him and some will risk coming to have a bargain with him.


Ok so hopefully that all made sense to somebody. I made this because I've seen people complaining about getting all these weird mystery champions that might not even exist, so I figured something like this might be worth writing up to expand on the intricacies of their lore and better explain their existences. Of course this could all be bollocks but eh, it's always fun to do!

A final word though folks – EVERYTHING can count as lore. When you search for answers don't be afraid to look at the barest of teasers to find your answers, I mean hell this entire thing involved me talking about the pre-release lore and Summoner's Rift teasers for Bard, Tahm Kench and Kindred so hopefully you'll find some merit in a bit of deeper digging.

Thanks for reading!

EDIT:

As was requested I'm adding links to videos (courtesy of Surrender@20) showing the Summoner's Rift teasers I discussed:

Bard - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGITvTPFLu4 Tahm Kench - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoNdEy0nVCg Kindred - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNKgLFaRrrg

44 Comments

GenoXx9 votes

Hey sharjo, remember when i said I didn't have any interest in Tahm.

Well no I'm a Lv 5 Tahm who feeds on the misery of the enemy team........I can be hypocritical......I can be hot headed...But when i learned what Tahm Truly does I implemented this in my game play. This is also Why I main Aatrox, they both manipulate others for personal games.

This is how i play League of Legends- - I main champiosn based on their lore and even Think like it. It wins me games.

Also, It's clear Bard saved the unborn child of Azir. Jaredan teased that.

Sharjo7 votes

Lore actually drove me to adore champions I never thought I'd ever care about, so I feel you man!

Also yeah, Bard definetly saved Azir's third kid. I've been a strong proponent of that for months now. The only question will be in 1: the telling and 2: who actually knows? I'd recon Nasus knows but I dunno for certain.

GenoXx5 votes

Reasons why: Shurima had to rise again. So Sivir had to be saved

Sharjo1 votes

Something about Shurima is important in regards to the survival of Runeterra in the future. Be it the power of Ascension or something else, the emperor's legacy had to be preserved for this reason.

GenoXx2 votes

I believe it's the oasis of life(or was it dawn?) That saved Sivir when she was about to die. something magical there.

There seems to be alot of mysterious things in Shurima. Incanthia being a spawn point for Voidborn, The Ascension legend and process itself, Zilean's Land who advanced in Time magic. This place is just screaming Adventure.

I hope in time Those other places within shurima can get fleshed out. But I can get why it isnt a priority. The place itself Rival the Kingdom of Demacia and the Noxian Empire. Super countries have to be fleshed out in bits an pieces.

Sharjo3 votes

I believe it's the oasis of life(or was it dawn?) That saved Sivir when she was about to die. something magical there.

Oasis of the Dawn was the name there. Still don't know why that even exists but it seems obvious that the pool of magical waters was essential for the development and establishment of Shurima as a nation. I remember the REALLY old lore the Infinity Edge had, where it gained its razor sharp edge from being dipped in a lost pool in the Shurima Desert, and I can't help but be drawn back to that, wondering if Shurima's founder doused their blade in the pool, creating Infinity Edge and then built a nation on top of it.

There seems to be alot of mysterious things in Shurima. Incanthia being a spawn point for Voidborn, The Ascension legend and process itself, Zilean's Land who advanced in Time magic. This place is just screaming Adventure.

Shurima's super involved with everything. Assuming Icathia and Urtistan are located in the Shurima Desert then that's already three major lore locations linked, the Brackern are likely still a thing and the Crystal Scar likely just moved to Shurima, so they're involved, and I'm still of the mind that Shurima fended off an invasion from Freljord, but that one's way more conjecture on my part than a solid theory. Shurima's super important in the grand scheme of things frrom both a historical and modern day stand point.

I hope in time Those other places within shurima can get fleshed out. But I can get why it isnt a priority. The place itself Rival the Kingdom of Demacia and the Noxian Empire. Super countries have to be fleshed out in bits an pieces.

The Kumungu, Mount Targon, Bandle City, Urtistan, Icathia, the Void, Ionia I mean hell, anywhere aside from Shurima, Freljord, Bilgewater and the Shadow Isles need fleshed out right now. We're getting bits and pieces here and there which I'm grateful for, but we've got a long way to go yet.

GenoXx1 votes

I feel we at least need need to know how the Shadow Isles went down. I mean we know the base of Shurima, Freljord, and Bilgewater.

Frejlord just needs to be left alone lorewise. They have plently. So much i feel like i could visit Freljord in Real life.

Sharjo2 votes

I dunno, I kinda wanna see more troll/ursine stuff. I'm a sucker for fantasy races that aren't humans.

Quort1 votes

I totally agree! When I started playing Shaco, I was terrible and fed every game. But... When I started thinking like Shaco I started to do very well and next thing you know he is my highest Mastery Champion right after Bard! xD

GenoXx1 votes

Think like the champion, master the enemy... lol

Blue Moon Wolf2 votes

That's part of the reason I main MonkeyKing, sadly I really only have the "Journey to the west" story to get me to feel in character since Wu's lore is very vague aside from the parts taken from that story and altered to fit the game. Like how he was named Wukong by Yi in honor of him learning Wuju style. That alone kind of confuses me since He doesn't have any moves like Yi and his kit is mostly based on him being a magic stone monkey. What exactly in his kit is considered Wuju style?

GenoXx3 votes

Then again, what exactly is Wuju Style?

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

I can only assume that Yi's E where he gains passive % AD and deals true damage on activation is what Wuju style is, but I don't know if his entire kit is Wuju or if that one move is. There is only one thing we can do. Hey Riot, "Wuju pls do an Ionian event next that explains this?

Blood Mefist7 votes

Didn't Aatrox directly encounter Tryndamere and make him who is today? That means Aatrox has appeared fairly recently and his influence isn't unnoticeable or forgotten by the world, or at the very least not by Tryndamere .

Ebonmaw Dragon5 votes

[{quoted}](name=BLood Mefist,realm=NA,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=qgMg4UEw,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-09-19T22:48:27.223+0000)

Didn't Aatrox directly encounter Tryndamere and make him who is today? That means Aatrox has appeared fairly recently and his influence isn't unnoticeable or forgotten by the world, or at the very least not by Tryndamere .

But Tryndamere not even knows who is Aatrox... i mean, Trynda saw him and all that, but he doesn't know his name or anything aside from "he is a weird dude with a weird sword that killed everyone"

Melledoneus2 votes

Aatrox hasn't participated in any recent major conflicts. He was there just for a raid.

Rito Staff6 votes

{quoted}> -Bard travels the universe using a harmonic key, which he uses to create portals via the magical friction to travel to different realities.

Not sure of the following, but wasn't that friction thingy fan-made? Like, the explanation someone made for the existence of magic, it was that of friction between realms or something, read somewhere, I'm not sure though.

Tahm Kench: How does he work?

A correction about Tahm Kench though, and I'm pretty sure about this one and I can go grab quotes from Rioters from the Q&A confirming it. That 'river' wasn't refering to any form of water, but to, quoting, "There is an ocean of darkness in every man's soul.", the river ways are inside man.

In the Q&A I spammed the sh*t out of my theory on Kench, because I wasn't seeing the answer, posting the same thing almost 4 times because of the hype, and eventually got my cookie. A Rioter even said "The real question is who is the gambler?" because the Tahm Kench mistery is in the video and Q&A solved already.

"When the beast finally did rise" - Gambler's addiction to gambling.

"And although the Gambler tried to cast him out" - An addict trying to resist or push down the cravings. "it ate the gifts, and house and gold!" - Tahm eating these objects or the mistery man gambling them away? Afterall Tahm gets fed at the end and it's on the Gambler's misery in failling and losing to his demons. Imagine Dragons - Demons

"This hunger's a burden, but it's the last time I swear, so please, forgive" - Husband asking for forgiveness? An addicts catchphrase, everytime ever it's the last time, I promiss

Basically, the guy gambled his way out of his current situation. Which means he didn't change, he didn't start new. He tried to bury the past, but... In which reality that ever works?

WAAARGHbobo:

2.(...) The gambler is making a bargain (ultimately with himself). It is the bargain that allows Tahm to create the human misery he feeds on.

You can CTRL+F the Q&A for the quotes. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/Ts4NEAq5-champion-qa-tahm-kench-the-river-king

And Yordles are his enemies because they are the equivalent to Hobbits, sort of. You can see that most Yordles ingame are chill and jolly. Tahm has nothing on most of them.

Sharjo1 votes

Not sure of the following, but wasn't that friction thingy fan-made? Like, the explanation someone made for the existence of magic, it was that of friction between realms or something, read somewhere, I'm not sure though.

To go on that, that thread was mine but the friction was mentioned in the Bard Q&A by Loping Cinder:

[{quoted}](name=Loping Cinder,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ev3qQR4G,comment-id=00820001,timestamp=2015-03-06T23:14:21.371+0000)

  1. The green ball that sits in Bard's horn is a harmonic key that splits layers of reality and taps directly into the magical friction that all worlds emit.

How that thing works isn't all that clear but as far as I personally understand it's as I described in that previous post. On the Tahm stuff:

I feel like "river demon" can be literal and metaphorical, considering how Tahm talks about time, forgiveness and various other concepts in terms of rivers, but he's still literally linked to rivers; he's a fish with watery powers and origins. Doesn't mean he isn't linked to other things but more it's more likely that he originally started from actual rivers and came to work his way in to others, more symbolic rivers, as you're saying.

So when Tahm goes and eats the gifts, and house, and gold yes it represents the gambler throwing it all away via gambling but the demon isn't just sitting idle, he's probably in there, pushing the gambler until he lost everything, when he threw away everything he had and killed his own wife, hence why the wife's like "Not now, not this time!". At the same time though nothing I've said about him being tied to rivers and being in the rivers itself and how he goes about things and makes a physical form contradicts this, plus the whole "let me in" thing still works; the Gambler let the temptation back in to his life, thus letting the demon have his way and still let the demon in to the lives of other people via his legend.

Finally, on the Yordle thing; where was it confirmed that Yordles just don't give a shit about Tahm? As far as I remember there was a comment from a rioter about how all Yordles have met the demon at some point bu nowhere did they say why or how.

Also this took me way to long to figure out how to word. Blegh.

Rito Staff3 votes

I think they're listed as enemies because Tahm doesn't have an easy way with them - they're not lustful like humans, or not as 'hungry' for things like a human is. That's how I see Yordles, being like Hobbits, they're fine where they're at, their ingame voices don't come off as grim, dark or somber -- but they're not free from it ofc

But do note all Yordles are his enemies which is why I'm saying this.

K indeed he does have a fishy form for Bilgewater, plus his whole design.


I'd like to know who the gambler is :p and do you think it's kinda weird phrasing to state that "The real question is who is the gambler?" - as if it was someone known. Imagine if it's a brand new character, does it make sense to ask that? Really, how do you feel about it? (I feel it hints that the gambler is somewhere in existing lore)

Aaand I just found this could the gambler be the ruined king? Before being the SI, it could've been the place where the gambler was taken to.

Sharjo2 votes

I think they're listed as enemies because Tahm doesn't have an easy way with them - they're not lustful like humans, or not as 'hungry' for things like a human is. That's how I see Yordles, being like Hobbits, they're fine where they're at, their ingame voices don't come off as grim, dark or somber -- but they're not free from it ofc

Yeah I getcha, no worries there. I'd personally like a little bit more on that specific relationship and what the River King's relations with yordles have been like in the past. It involves yordles so I can only imagine the antics!

I'd like to know who the gambler is :p and do you think it's kinda weird phrasing to state that "The real question is who is the gambler?" - as if it was someone known. Imagine if it's a brand new character, does it make sense to ask that? Really, how do you feel about it? (I feel it hints that the gambler is somewhere in existing lore)

From what I garnered, reading all the stuff that was put down and considering the cookie hand outs, Tahm Kench is the name of the gambler in question, so he is not only sort of linked in that way but also the origin of all the tall tales and legends surrounding this persona of the demon. God that was a weird sentence to write out.

That's not to say I think the gambler is the demon, but rather the demon is nameless, and the name Tahm Kench that is given to his physical form is derived from the Handsome Gambler's tale, and going back on that the Gambler would've then been the catalyst for the demon to expand its influence in to Bilgewater, after he had claimed despair from this man's vices. Hopefully that made some sense because this shit gets complex real quick!

Auroramancer2 votes

I believe I faintly recall a Rioter saying something to the effect of the Gambler pretty much being Twisted Fate's ancestor, or the Gambler and his actions have had a lasting effect on TF and his ancestry.

Something I like to entertain about the story of the Gambler is that, while maintaining the demon Kench is distinct from the Gambler, I say that Tahm was a "young principality" (that principality being greed) who "grew up" inside the Gambler. Tahm needed to "dine in the halls within the heart of man", so he enticed the Gambler, letting Tahm inside to feast upon the greed in the Gambler's heart. The events that transpire in the story definitely are not as explicitly as described, just as Don Noat Amu has said.

Tahm describes things differently because the Gambler's actions translate differently to the heart, where Tahm is residing. The Gambler losing his fiance to greed would appear to Tahm as though Tahm himself had devoured the woman. And so on.

Perhaps we could call the Gambler to be the demon's "father". He fed the demon his despair from his gambling habits, gave the demon a "shelter" or "quarter" within him, until the demon reached maturity. So being the "son" of the Gambler, the demon inherits the name of the "father", being Tahm Kench. Then Tahm the demon is unleashed into the world.

Nahara3 votes

I interpret Kindred working pretty much exactly how the Grim Reaper works in our world: the arrows are metaphysical, symbolic.

When Kindred shoots you with one, you die of whatever it was you were supposed to die from.

Embertine3 votes

Okay about kindred.

First off Lamb wears the wolf mask and Wolf wears the lamb mask. I'm pretty sure you must have seen that by now.

Second, Kindred actually hints at themselves being the veil between life and death that the ruined king split, causing the shadow isles incident. However I cannot confirm this as so far it's only been hinted at. We'll have to wait until the lore is released for us to find out for sure.

FakeGravity2 votes

I feel giving kindred all the work of all the deaths in runaterra would be too much Maybe they just hunt those that need to die by their hand rather than taking their soul

Spizzle90002 votes

10/10 would read again IGN

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

Great narrative/essay! Thanks for going in-depth with these champions and better explaining them to the common reader. I like the wealth of information, however, I have a few bones to pick:

Your overuse of the word, "Canon," is so abusive that I couldn't even fathom why people just try so hard to sound "intelligent" when they just show how much they actually lack in terms of vocabulary and grammar. That's not you. I'm just saying that word has been popular lately and I'm just tired of seeing it.

From the Oxford English Dictionary:

A general law, rule, principle, or criterion by which something is judged: the appointment violated the canons of fair play and equal opportunity

  1. A church decree or law: a set of ecclesiastical canons
  2. A collection or list of sacred books accepted as genuine: the formation of the biblical canon 2.1 The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine: the Shakespeare canon 2.2 The list of works considered to be permanently established as being of the highest quality: Hopkins was firmly established in the canon of English poetry
  3. (also canon of the Mass) (In the Roman Catholic Church) the part of the Mass containing the words of consecration.
  4. Music A piece in which the same melody is begun in different parts successively, so that the imitations overlap.

I post this, mostly because I felt that I must have misunderstood that Canon meant -- the bigger picture. You keep saying comments like this:

In the canon, Bard is as mysterious as they come and, like Aatrox, is pretty much an enigma.

You basically just said to me:

In the bigger picture, Bard is as mysterious as they come and, like Aatrox, is pretty much strange.

Your wording just doesn't sound right to me. I'm sorry for going to hard on you, but I just struggle unnecessarily to understand your point.

Canon perspective

Honestly, you could've just said big picture, grand scheme of things, or just nothing at all. Some instances are just "fluff."

Aside, I think you're trying to critique/explain Aatrox, Tahm Kench, and Bard. I enjoyed reading this, although, it was just really hard to read, and I had to interpret it. I did particularly enjoy the section over Tahm Kench.

Consider removing any instances of "canon perspective" that aren't necessary, fix some critical sentences with a comma, and remove the "fluff" because this was a long read (8-10min).

8/10 would let my EXPO teacher throw it at you.

Gigglebytes1 votes

Do you have videos or pictures of the mark and mask of Kindred and the laugh of Tahm? That'd be pretty interesting to see!

Sharjo1 votes

I'll find 'em and link them at the end of the post!

Samflash31 votes

TL: Still Read

+1

Penta Penguin1 votes

Did Kindred save Gangplank?

I think you're forgetting that Kindred ins't just a reaper, but also specifically controls preservation of life.

Sharjo2 votes

I would've put Tahm as the more likely saviour of Gangplank, or just Gangplank being a tenacious bastard. Kindred doesn't strike me as the type judge people on the specifics of how they lived a life, but still, how would death view a murderer?

Melledoneus1 votes

As one who is trying to usurp Death itself. And that makes any Grim Reaper feel at least some anger toward said person.

Solis Deus1 votes

What about Tryndamere? It's pretty obvious he's seen Aatrox and he was the one who killed his people. But still no mention of Tryndamere? It doesn't matter that he doesn't know his name (who does?) But still, a mention?

And this is probably a really far fetched and insanely crazy theory, but what if the handsome gambler is Twisted Fate? I mean, it does say his people were the "river folk of the Serpentine" and exiled him. But probably not, as there's no mention.

Sharjo1 votes

As stated by other folks around here, Tryndamere actually doesn't know who Aatrox is. He just knows of a mysterious man with a cruel living sword; so as much as any human who's ever met Aatrox. The impact of Aatrox's actions on Tryndamere's life is there, but the dude is basically a footnote in the history of the Barbarian King's life for all intents and purposes. Unless Tryndamere actually confronts Aatrox at some point then the part the Darkin plays in his history is the same as every other instance of Aatrox's appearances through history. Also we don't actually know how greatly Tryndamere values his hatred for Aatrox. It's been many years, he's got new allies and is striving for a new future for his people. Hell he's even married. I think it's (moderately) safe to say that Aatrox is more of a distant memory now than a constant waking nightmare for Tryndamere.

On the TF point, it's been confirmed by Riot that Twisted Fate is not the Handsome Gambler, but there's some relation there, implying that the Gambler was of the river folk of the Serpentine, which makes sense in a way.

Solis Deus1 votes

The marriage was purely political as stated, and he may be striving for a new future but he hasn't forgotten. The lore states: "With sword in hand and rage in his heart, he is now on an undying quest for vengeance against the one who destroyed the life he once knew." Besides, I did state that Tryndamere didn't know his name but I doubt even the scholars do. As much as Trynd looks forward, his reason for still living is still avenging his people: "The wrathful barbarian seeks revenge on the one who decimated his clan and strikes down all those who stand between him and his final retribution.".

God that sounded like an essay. XD

chavyy1421 votes

I gotta say this was pretty well written. I especially liked your take on Kindred. I wasn't interested in the new champ initially but your essay is making me hope there is a sort of release cinematic like Ekko's. Maybe at the world's opening ceremony! #hype

Blue Moon Wolf1 votes

huh, I didn't know that bard had an in game teaser, I kinda feel like I missed out now :(

Grouchy Poro1 votes

good read, I've thought about stuff like this before but never had time or bothered to write it all out. I like your view on Tahm especially :P. +1

ArdoreAurorale1 votes

I still don't understand why you, sharjo, keep making this stuff and passing it to be as true as the law. you basically Wrote your personal vision of lore Over the few (already known) pieces of official informations given from riot itself to every reader, and then pretending your stuff to be true aswell.

do you want an example? Everybody knows that aatrox is a darkin, ancient and turns the tides of wars. that bard is a balancing agent that walks through planes, that tahm is a river demon and kindred a death entity. etc. etc., all these official informations were already given by riot when the champions came out and more.

riot discussed if they might not exist or that they are just myths, and that's acceptable.

But then you write up things, (alongside the few certain informations you basically copied'n'pasted), like :''in the canon, aatrox never existed'' Who are you to say that? to say Never?

I just can say that in the teaser picture of aatrox, there are relics that depict him. if runeterrians painted him, they had to see him in order to do that. see? just this proof would break your statement.

and that Kindred, as another User and Riot said, doesn't just embody two faces of death (as you said) but EVEN life, they can delay it indeed.

as randomh3rox said, you Abuse the term of ''Canon'' And, more important: where is your ''CANON''? can i touch your canon? can i eat it? In the current situation all the lore is basically a blank paper with few stains on it that riot gives us throught events and champion releases. HOW can a canon exist if the whole story has fallen into caos and inconsistency???

yes, we can theorycraft, but then not passing theories for truth, like you're doing. most of the things your wrote are already well known, obvious, and given from riot in shards. And the little left part is your vision about them, trying to pass it for truth aswell.

and less fluff. oh, and that harry potter referenced made me laugh. Tasseography exists since XVII. did you really need HP to explain it? just link wikipedia, it could have explained it better.

Sharjo2 votes

oh, and that harry potter referenced made me laugh. Tasseography exists since XVII. did you really need HP to explain it? just link wikipedia, it could have explained it better.

Harry Potter was my only reference for it - I only knew about it from Harry Potter, that's why.

On the whole thing though; this is all my bollocks thoughts, I mean I do have a line in there that says "Of course this could all be bollocks but eh, it's always fun to do!" . Everything I said here could be completely false and that's fine by me, if anything it'll be funny to find out how wrong I am about things!

All of the stuff I talk about is basically conjecture on my part from the bits and pieces given by Riot. This is my interpretation and my understanding of things as far as things go. Again, could be complete bollocks at the end of the day. Sorry If I gave the impression that I'm like "All this is true and nothing else matters" in this because that was never the intention and I'm more likely wrong about all this than right.

Also I'll figure out how to better use the word canon in the future since apparently it offends people that much.

Also you can indeed touch by canon but if you wanna eat it that's an entirely seperate debate!

Ice Cold Waz1 votes

I love your theories and good job on putting this together. The question I have after reading this is why should I care? As someone whose an avid lore follower, it doesn't make sense. Like these characters do and don't exist but they fight with characters that we very much know exist. So what's the point?

These characters are outside of Runterra's sphere of influence. They could be from any world, which means that they don't really have anything to do with the game. So why should they fight with characters who have allegiances and actually are linked to a world. I just think these typs of champions are unappealing, if these are champs that keep being released, you could release a dragon from the Harry Potter universe or a white walker from Game of Thrones, as the next champion, because these champions have nothing to do with Runterra, just like Bard, Tahm, and Kindred. (I do think Aatrox has something to do, as he's the only one we've seen in others POV's)

I just don't get how this keeps league league with champions who are so random they don't fit in world. If Riot wants to be like Heroes of the Storm, or Smash and have a nonsensical with no lore brawler, that's fine, but lore that's like "And then this random entity came out of no where" is lazy and unoriginal.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

Dude you a great for this. Seriously great explanations. a lot of stuff makes alot more sense now

Im trying to get a feel for how Runeterra's/ Valoran's realms of existence work based on the limited info from champions I mean we have our Humans, Yordles, Robots and Natural Beast (such as Alistar, Rengar, Ahri, Wukong, Volibear ect.) who are clearly normal inhabitants of the world that houses the LoL Then we have our champion who tred the line between in the Wold and not, such as those from the Shadow Isles.

But then we have these mystery champions who are clearly not originally from this world (counting the shadow isles because those are undead/ dead and originally alive in the world), but we don't know exactly where they came from (Excluding Void champions because we actually know where they came from)

I had categorized Bard, Soraka, and Kindred as spirits from a spirit world. But now i realize that Bard and Kindred would not come from the same place, because you explained that.

But there are so many that we don't know where they are really from.

Could you explain how Soraka, Nocturn, Fiddlesticks, Shaco, Brand, Anivia, Elise, Evelyn, Rammus, Kayle and Morgana. These are champions whose origins and what they actually are are not the clearest and sometimes players wonder if they are even solidly in the world of Runterra (as Kindred does not fully exist on Runterra)

You dont have to do all, but a few would be nice

Norr1N1 votes

We need a Darkin event. How would the Darkin rank in the grand scheme of things? Clearly they're more ancient than Shurima and any other civilisation heard of thus far. But do they come close to Celestial-tier like Bard/Kindred? Where does Tahm rank now that I think about it? Or the Void for that matter? Also Xerath/the ascended vs Bard. Power levels... unclear. Seems like Kindred is the highest tier of authority released so far.

Sharjo1 votes

In terms of age AND power levels? That's hard to discern, especially when considering the ambiguous nature of beings like Tahm Kench.

In terms of age I'd say it's Kindred before everything, then Anivia, then Bard, then Aatrox and Tahm but either could be more ancient, it depends on history that hasn't been revealed yet, then finally everything else.

In terms of power levels I say it's once again Kindred above everything, but they're not omnipotent so they can be beaten. After that it's a toss up between beings like Bard, Xerath and Anivia, who are essentially beings of magic through and through and are essentially embodiment's of it. I'd say personally that the power ranking for them goes Xerath, Anivia and then Bard. I recon Malphite also fits in here somewhere but given his current lore state I can't say for certain if he actually will be here, and if he is I don't know where he'd fit exactly.

Aatrox and Tahm are difficult to put on a power ranking level because we don't know how they stack up comparatively to anyone else. Sure Aatrox can inspire immense bloodlust and turn the tide of war with his abilities but that's only a taste. Tahm may be able to do some crazy demon stuff but how great are his powers? While I would almost certainly say they're more powerful than most champions in League where the fall after getting the lower tiers out of the way such as the ordinary humans is questionable. Hell where they stack up comparatively to beings like the Ascended and Iceborn is a big enough question itself.

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