Vlad VU

Firestartertot··10 votes·1,729 views

I really love Vlad but he feels really old (which he is) and his visuals feel really underdramatic. His autoattack also feels really slow and weird. I also feel like he could use his ball of blood more in his abilities. For example, his q could suck in the blood of his enemies or have a line of life force instead of a bork active.

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Shénzhì4 votes

I'd like for Vladimir to enlighten us more on why he practices hemomancy and why he is the Crimson Reaper. He must also have some connection with Aatrox's ancient and living Darkin Blade since their abilities are pretty much the same, and so I propose all this:


What is hemomancy and what would its purpose be?

Noxus is known for its use of necromancy (Sion and Urgot) or at least allowing the use of necromancy. This automatically makes you think of undead but there's no connection with the Shadow Isle in Noxus, I think. Vladimir practices hemomancy so what does that make you think? It makes me think of unliving. These two conditions both may allow eternal life after being alive. Both may take the property of life (blood or soul) for themselves to feel alive again if just for a moment to make sense of their persistence. [READ MORE ABOUT BLOOD & SOUL]

  1. [Unliving] is the passing of life into afterlife. You are alive while the body and soul was consumed, locked into afterlife. Unlife needs blood & essence to sustain afterlife? Unlife may hibernate to conserve their blood transfusions. (e.g. classic vampire in a coffin)
  2. [Undying] is the passing of death into afterlife. You died before body and soul was captured and locked into afterlife. Undead sustain by their emotion & memory? Undead involuntarily and unrelentingly persist. (e.g. classic insomniac ghosts/zombies)
  3. Any other suggestions?

What are the thematical differences?

  • Shadow Isle is plagued with a magical curse that brings death to life; piercing the veil.

  • Mordekaiser is supposedly unliving (not undead). His ancient armor could be the thing that consumed his life. "Entombed in ancient armor, the Master of Metal is said to be the first of the unliving--"

  • The sorcerers under Mordekaiser's command brought about the curse of undying. Their sorcerery may have afflicted Mordekaiser's current state of unliving with undying who then became representative of both. "It is said that he was the first of the undead, existing before the Shadow Isles--"

  • Alternatively, he was encased in a magical Iron Maiden for reason(s). Dead now, his soul eternally locked within he gathered his spirit over decades to master his metal encasing, clumping it into a human visage of his previous living self. Permanently enduring the pain; permanently anchored in corporeal world. Later, the Shadow Isle curse of undeath was an attempt to free his soul.

  • Noxus practices hemomancy (and necromancy) and is not magically cursed.

  • Urgot may represent necromancy through techmaturgy. Forbidden advances.

  • Sion may represent the difference between unlife and undeath. Volatile and violent compared to undead. (Sion - the Unliving Juggernaut)

  • Vladimir may represent how hemomancy facilitates unliving persistence. He has lived and is now eternally unliving.

  • Aatrox is something else entirely and his ability surges from his ancient Darkin Blade. Aatrox may not be the same unliving as Vladimir, basically. Those abilities are more or less the same as Vladimir's, Vladimir practices hemomancy and this whole idea suggests that Vladimir is unliving (not alive). [READ MORE ABOUT THE DARKIN WEAPONS]

This whole suggestion defines the differences and creates a consistency that suggests Vladimir is actually not alive. Vladimir (and Sion) is actually unliving like Mordekaiser was (and maybe Yorick?). This also suggests he must have been a magic-user prior to passing into afterlife as an unliving 'vampire'. What I have not suggested is how he becomes unliving, which is where story and narrative comes in. It could be that Vladimir's current background could expand on Noxus warmongering ideals/traditions since there's a history of war and previous hemomancers, and conveniently unintentionally collaborating with Aatrox's ideas: "True warriors are forged in blood."

Unlike Mordekaiser who may have been consumed by his ancient armor and unable to self-sustain (before the curse made the Shadow Isle), Vladimir is the mage-like variation of <other unlivng champion> and that perk may be Vladimir's reason for being able to self-sustain his afterlife more successfully. How else, though? In years of peace, world populations and fertility rates increase so in Vladimir's time there's a planetary-wide harvest unlike Mordekaiser's time of limited travel confined to an isle. Unliving can hibernate to manage their afterlife when there's no harvest (e.g. classic vampire in a coffin).

Since Yorick should also need looking at, I propose these:

  1. Yorick as a Ghoul may also be unliving who could represent what could happen to Vladimir. Failing to take blood and failing to hibernate may result in becoming a Ghoul like Yorick.
  2. Yorick as a Ghoul may specifically pertain to Shadow Isle's curse. By not dying you are instead slowly consumed by the curse and become an unliving; a Ghoul depending on blood. If this is true, what can be said about Elise and the spider god Vilemaw? Thread: [Rework: Yorick - What Will Become Of Him?]
Shénzhì3 votes

So now that I've created definitions and tried to identify consistencies (new and old) in LoL lore with all this we can look at a Vladimir visual update (VU) better.

Vladimir is now an unliving. He needs blood to sustain his afterlife or will have to hibernate instead. He is (or was) also a mage of sorts. Without his source of unlife he'll probably wither and become dormant unable to do anything; a cripple constantly needing a blood transfusion. This same volatility could be identified in Sion, too.

#With Vladimir's Visual Update:

  • His body begins pale-colored like Sion at start of game. (all skins)
  • As he steals blood from targets his body colors from pale to natural. (all skins) Skin changes from colorless to colorful, to colorless. Rinse; repeat.
  • His eyes should also change from pale to normal, and to red if he's stealing way too much blood. (all skins)
  • Mordekaiser may have same unliving properties as Vladimir: Mordekaiser's eyes could also glow red from landing his ultimate or Reanimating Dragon..

Connections & Consistencies: Visual representations of these.

Firestartertot2 votes

that might take a little too much time, but it's an amazing idea! (I'm fine with anything as long as he still has his blood puns)

GreenLore2 votes

Honestly,I don't see a reason why he would be connected to aatrox.

I mean aatrox abilities are mostly fighting based,his blade feeds on his enemies and he can more or less store some amount of his own blood in his body to keep on fighting,but thats about it. That is nothing like Vlads hemomancing abilties.

Shénzhì2 votes

Yes. No direct connection but the abilities themselves (not the characters) share hemomancy properties. The idea is trying to identify this symmetry:

  • Darkin Blade needs blood to sustain/persist.
  • Vladimir needs blood to sustain/persist.

:)

GreenLore1 votes

But that is more along the lines of: aatrox blade drinks the blood while slicing through the enemy.

While Vladimir actually controls and manipulates blood to take his enemies and make it his own.

Its like you'd compare vladimirs abilities to a doctor using a syringe to suck out the blood of someone.

Shénzhì1 votes

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But that is more along the lines of: aatrox blade drinks the blood while slicing through the enemy. While Vladimir actually controls and manipulates blood to take his enemies and make it his own.

Yea.

{quoted} Its like you'd compare vladimirs abilities to a doctor using a syringe to suck out the blood of someone.

I know what you mean. The proposed concept suggests he's not alive so he now focuses his magic studies in hemomancing to self-sustain [or] the practice of hemomancy brought about his talents and consumed his life. Imagine Sion needing to consume all things in his 'Soul Furnace' or he'll perish and need reanimating. Well, Vladimir can be the same condition but he has the knowledge and tools to keep him 'unliving' easily. There may have been some misconception. Hopefully you'll have different perception knowing that Vladimir has changed from alive to not alive ('unliving') - a reason to use hemomancy like how the Darkin Blade needs blood.

Aatrox is about the Darkin Blade. The blade is collecting blood for itself as Vladimir may be doing. Is that magic not classified as hemomancy? Sion, however, seems to collect souls. Yes - maybe but let's not forget his fiction and which characters were responsible for reanimating him (Vlad). I've also previously suggested a connection between blood and soul that reinforces this idea.

I've actually thought it all through where most others may not have, I've written my thoughts and they may work. Maybe Riot Games will find inspiration from it but whatever happens---

As part of the visual update: he now has a likeness to Sion and so his skin may be pale, eyes change pale/colored/red and may be aggressive when he wants blood.

Spizzle90002 votes

Yeah, his visuals look really bad for his classic skin. His model and stuff are fine in my opinion, but I mean his abilities' particles and his blood ball are all really ugly (except Soulstealer's particles).

Catastrop1 votes

Technically BotRK's active is Vlad's Q, but yeah I agree. His "Tides" of Blood don't really feel satisfying when it doesn't really look like tides of actual blood coming out but more like rectangles covered in blood.

Bottom Laner1 votes

I bet you'd be Vlad for a VU, huh? gets kicked out

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