Shurima vs Demacia

RyzeTheSmurfMage·10/24/2018, 5:53:48 PM·2 votes·3,930 views

If a war betwen those 2 broke out, and Noxus as a state and its people suddently vanished (same with Piltover/Zaun) leaving the territory betwen those 2 unocupied, who would win and why? Rules: No World Runes. Shurima doesn't get any Ascended besides Nasus in battles but it's fully rebuild (Azir doesn't go to fight unless the capital is under attack). Demacia gets 3 years of prep while Shurima only gets 1. I might redo this after Kayle and Morgana rework as they are most probably from Demacia and I'll include in that one Azir and Renekton in battles too, but for the time being I am bored so I decided to do this. So any thoughts and arguments about which side would win and why?

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Warlord Dienekes10/25/2018, 3:53:59 AM4 votes

Honestly, the nations of this setting are not developed enough to be able to give a satisfactory answer to this question.

Here is a brief list of the information we'd need to know before we could even begin drawing conclusions.

How large is the entire army of either state
How well equipped is that army
How well trained is the army as well as the elite units
How fast can either army move
How does armor work in this setting
How populous are either state
Where is that population distributed
How much resources can each state call upon
How long does it take to mobilize these resources
What are the available means of resupply
How developed are their food storage systems
What network of allies can be called upon
How secure is the leadership
What is the life expectancy of the current administration
How likely are internal struggles going to mess up the state when the current administration dies

Now, in terms of army vs army. Demacia does have a fantastic advantage when it comes to war, since they have flying bird mounts. However, everything Riot's written about these raptor knights kinda shows that they're being used in the most inefficient way possible. So, how dramatic the difference they can make is somewhat negated.

Then we can get into the details of leadership. Napoleon may have been the greatest general of his era. And the army of France may have had more experienced men, and a far greater understanding of war than Russia. But because they didn't have the foresight on what materials to bring on their conquest they were eventually beaten back (though this is a gross oversimplification).

It's entirely possible that a war can be changed based on the decisions of a handful of people that cannot be predicted. If one side has a Yi Sun-Sin and the other side doesn't, then the impossible can happen.

Ebonmaw Dragon10/24/2018, 6:57:06 PM2 votes

... uhhh... If Azir doesn't go to fight unless the capital is under attack... then that means that Shurima has basically no army, since the Sand Soldiers are created by Azir.

Anyways, i dont think that Demacia could win against Shurima in the Capital of Shurima (because Azir) and viceversa, i dont think that Shurima could win against Demacia in the Capital of Demacia (because Galio and the magical rocks)

Warlord Rhinark10/24/2018, 7:39:32 PM2 votes

Am I the only one that sort of dislikes these "Nation versus Nation" posts?

There's too many factors to come to a satisfying conclusion as to which nation would win, and some nations just have way more strength than the other to begin with so they have to have major restrictions put on them for the other nation to even stand a chance.

R107 Games10/24/2018, 6:49:47 PM2 votes

It probably depends on how strong shurima soldiers are.

And also how strong nasus it. Isn't he strong enough to destroy entire cities and fight armies single handedly? I'm just guessing from the lore. Im also pretty sure he's a high tier ascended

RiotBioluminescence10/24/2018, 10:46:00 PM2 votes

Why are they at war? What are they fighting over? Where do individual battles take place? In what season? How are their supply lines?

Wrathof30010/24/2018, 10:48:53 PM1 votes

If we assume this battle takes place in a hypothetical time, where powerful Demacian soldiers like Garen could utilise the anti magic in petricite to pull off moves like his ult. Then I don't think Shurima would have to be handicapped so much, we could in fact, already theorise whether or not petricite weapons would deal lethal damage to the Ascended, seeing as the Ascended are basically just warriors empowered by celestial magic.

T2K Baka10/27/2018, 4:59:19 PM1 votes

Can't Nasus turn people into sand? Wither? Also Shurima has Rek'sai (she is part of Shurima) and her army, along with Skarner, and the LEGENDARY RAMMUS. If Demacia attacked then they would definitely lose.