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The whole Viktor-Jayce thing... there's a real villain I think

NeoJusteBelmont·5/30/2015, 6:20:59 AM·28 votes·5,018 views

Now, people would gladly support Viktor, and then demonize Jayce into telling that he's a jerk. I have other opinion about it. And no, it's not 'Viktor is a dastardly villain and Jayce is the hero everyone needs.'

And I don't believe that Jayce's lore derails Viktor's personality.

At heart, I think Viktor is a Zaunite, one who believes that anything goes when it comes to the progress of science. In that case, for him, seizing Jayce's crystal isn't a 'dastardly' thing, but a perfectly viable method to progress his research by Zaunite standards. We looked at Viktor's actions through our eyes and standards, where hypocrisy is reviled, but as of Viktor and Zaun? I think that is acceptable as long as it gives progress to science... through the eyes of a Zaunite. Remember, Zaun isn't known for their morality.

Even so, Viktor is still a victim. Unfortunately, for the fandom to blame Jayce, I'm not sure I follow. Jayce may be a cocky ass, but he still have as much the genuine desire to protect his home in Piltover, not solely for glory or pissing off Viktor. Furthermore, Ekko also thought that Viktor is a problem. I personally think, however, that there is one person who is truly responsible for this, and not only Viktor, but Jayce and Ekko are nothing but his pawns.

And that person is Stanwick Piddly.

He plagiarizes Viktor's works, which eventually drove Viktor to go to the extremes, and then staged the assault to Jayce's lab just to make progress. By this, he pretty much set up Viktor to become everyone's scapegoat, Jayce is offended at his assault and considered him a threat to Piltover, Ekko also considers him a problem. Meanwhile, Stanwick enjoys being selected at the head of Zaun and takes all the credits from Viktor's works, and never have to suffer through the karma of plagiarism, directing all those to Viktor. And perhaps even beyond the fourth wall, he succeeded as well, nobody seems to even consider Stanwick as the real reason Viktor was miserable, they prefer to just throw the blame into Jayce. Granted, there's that outrageous first lore of his, but still...

My conclusion: Viktor still needs a hug, but Jayce isn't the villain. Stanwick Piddly is the real villain behind this, and I kinda hope that justice will be delivered to him. Maybe his good publicity would shatter, and he would pay for all the years he plagiarized Viktor.

What do you think, fans of Viktor?

52 Comments

Matezoide5/30/2015, 7:18:07 AM12 votes

I still dont get why people try to paint Jayce as a villain.

Jayce gets his work stolen, goes in to get his shit back and becomes the bad guy for it? Is it because people are still mad about his original lore?

333lom5/30/2015, 9:40:15 AM9 votes

Thanks for posting! Heh, it may seem that most people villainize Jayce, but I get the feeling the not-too-big group of Viktor fans is just trying to be vocal xP

Stanwick Pididly. Many even forget his name, but I doubt Viktor ever could. Yes, he was the main reason that forced Viktor into becoming what he is today. He caused his tragedy and continues to bask in his reputation and money. He didn't pay for anything he did, and he probably never will, which is even more unfair.

I actually never viewed that crystal theft as something.. too horrible. Maybe it's just me, but the matter at hand is a very powerful energy source. You can't make those. Jayce had it for quite some time and didn't do anything with it. Viktor stole the property of a city-state he doesn't think highly of, being a Zaunite. It's not like he killed an entire village or something (cough Singed cough). He stole the energy source so he could advance his movement to push humanity forward. Now, Viktor fans tend to hate Jayce because he is presenting Viktor in a very negative light for anyone that doesn't bother to read deeper into the story. There are some inconsistencies, though - why would a city-state like Piltover allow one of its citizens to build a weapon without any regulation? They didn't know? Jayce carried that huge hammer out of the city-state. Nobody noticed? Jayce destroyed the crystal since he was unable to get it back.. okay. But he beat a genius in his own lab? With just a hammer? Sure, Viktor did the same when he came to Jayce's lab in Piltover, but Jayce didn't expect a thing. Maybe Viktor wasn't expecting retaliation. But there's something else - it's then implied that Viktor doesn't even have security force in his lab. Only his 'acolytes' rushed to stop Jayce, and they could have been random citizens of Zaun, homeless or disabled persons who came to get augments. Not hired juggernauts. We still don't know what Viktor was building when Jayce arrived.

Stanwick not only stole Blitz, he stole some of Viktor's early research and used those fragments to rebuild Urgot, again taking credit for himself. He tried to do the same with Urf, again for exposition, glory and money. The whole Jayce lore thing still isn't completely clear, but the Stanwick case is. Pididly is a horrible person who is responsible for destruction of a life. Sorry for the rant!

The Anagram King5/30/2015, 8:39:46 AM6 votes

Here's the thing. Stanwick is not a dumb guy; but there's no way he could have predicted an obscenely powerful robot transformation at the hands of his student. If I were Stanwick, I'd be staying as far away from this new world-class war machine as I can. Besides, his credit-stealing is justified. He WAS a team leader; he just didn't credit Viktor.

I mean, what's Viktor's best case scenario if he exposes Pididdly? "Oh, our bad, here's some recognition, Vikkie!"

Stanwick almost certainly feels like he's done nothing wrong (in the same way a racist doesn't feel it's a big deal if he never acts on it, but would never admit said racism in public :P). And, when you get right down to it, the difference in opinion is negligible. Viktor wasn't upset because his life work was stolen, you see - he was upset because he poured his heart and soul into something good for his community; something that not only helped people, but resulted in sentient life. And in simply leaving his name off the paper, Pididdly stole that from him. He can't take pride in it; he can't prove his hand in it.

So Viktor spiralled into a depression and made himself into sentient life, instead. Stanwick is now wholly irrelevant - there is zero gain in Vik claiming responsibility for a lesser robot design; and, simultaneously, a huge risk in Pididdly messing with Viktor. Both to his credibilities and to his physical well-being.

Viktor works to improve his environment; to improve humanity. He augments volunteers out of his own pocket; likely saving lives in the process.

And then he smashes Jayce's lab for a measely crystal he heard about through the grapevine?

This is ridiculous. Insane. Even taking into account that he could secretly be keen to sabotage and steal things he's told about, this is outright nonsensical. And when the crystal's taken, does Jayce take it back? No - he SMASHES the thing. It's gone - bye bye!

And he's a hero.

People villainise Jayce because the story is ridiculous. He's either lying or working as the puppet of another party influential enough to make him a hero for losing and then smashing government property with no follow up investigation. :P

Rozzeta5/30/2015, 7:45:20 PM5 votes

Guys, the issue was that Jayce's first lore had Viktor steal Jayce's invention, rather than a resource. That was what made Viktor, who mechanized himself after having his most prized invention stolen, a complete hypocrite, and the fact that Jayce would simply walk in and own his ass at his own lab was simply too cartoonsh (the guy is trying to prove that mechanization is the next step for humanity, so running away from Jayce like the first lore said was against everything Viktor stood for). Jayce's current lore is the reviewed version, approved by most forumers. Analyzing it as if it was the first lore which generated the scandal doesn't make any sense.

Ebonmaw Dragon5/30/2015, 6:56:38 PM4 votes

There are a lot of champions that have rivals, Teemo for example, as Jayce, is considered a hero in his Hometown but his lore is not focused on how he defeated Veigar and saved the City... Teemo is more than "the guy that defeated Veigar".

In other hand, the lore of Jayce is only about his rivalry with Viktor and nothing more. He depends on Viktor to be what he is... that is the problem, unlike Viktor, we dont have a backstory about Jayce.

((Of course that it doesn't mean that Jayce is a "Villain"))

Chespin20135/30/2015, 5:29:13 PM3 votes

one day i hope that viktor and jayce could be become bros so that they could kick stanwick piddly's ass

Legacy of Xion5/30/2015, 6:16:38 PM2 votes

Jayce is the Tony Stark of Runeterra.

Pain in the ass, overbearing, creating devastating military technology outside of government control for personal use and then telling the Goverments go fuck yourself.

Do I think Viktor is the badguy? Yeah, yeah I kinda do. Do I see him as completely evil? No. No I dont. Even as a Jayce fan, I still see Viktor as a chaotic neutral who does bad things. Reading this, yeah. Viktor is a victim. But what happened with Jace was his own fault - communication could have saved a lot of trouble.

LankPants5/30/2015, 2:54:45 PM2 votes

I think they're both arseholes, at least Viktor isn't as annoying as Jayce though.

ElJanitorFrank5/31/2015, 2:31:25 AM2 votes

Viktor main/lore nerd here (I need to petition Riot to change my name to 'Viktor main/Lore nerd') and I agree.

Firstly, think about Viktor's goal. Is it to destroy humanity? Some could see it as that, but he's said himself and I tend to agree, he's just trying to make everybody better . He sees flesh and emotion as weak, so he wants to literally upgrade everybody through machinery.

Secondly, this guy Stanwick over here, he literally drove a person crazy by stealing his work. He made someone lock themselves in a room for weeks or months, trying to purge emotion and the emotions of everyone else.

Do you know how ridiculously evil that makes Stanwick feel? Stanwick's greed literally drove someone to think that emotions are useless and no one should have them. He thought Stanwick was so evil, that he would purge everyone he could of their emotions so no one would ever be like Stanwick ever again.

Also, as far as I can tell, Viktor regularly upgrades humans all the time, they are known as 'Viktor's Acolytes' and every single one of them (as far as I've heard) are willing and seek him out personally.

Budupops5/30/2015, 7:01:43 PM2 votes

doesnt matter because riot is going to remove their lore everntually

Laughing Fish6/1/2015, 9:13:34 PM1 votes

Stanwick is a butt. He has screwed over so many people. I would like to learn more about him (something that Rito might not ever do), as his security must be incredible if nobody has taken him out yet. Also, in a world where people are screwing each other over right and left, did something like that happen to Stanwick? Or is he the one who started the cycle of lies and violence?

Part of what makes Jayce's lore so compelling is that in many ways Viktor did the same thing to Jayce that Stanwick did to him. He (being the already powerful inventor) took the work of a fledgling inventor, and used it for his own gains. Sure, Viktor didn't necessarily take credit for Jayce's work, but he stole Jayce's greatest discovery (The Arcane Crystal). Viktor destroyed Jayce's hope in humanity in the same way that Stanwick destroyed Viktor's. The difference? Jayce reacted in nearly the opposite manner. Whereas Viktor decided to focus on removing the imperfections that plagued humanity, Jayce decided to control them. Jayce became what the people wanted: A hero.

I think in reality both Viktor and Jayce are hurt, angry, frightened, and overall emotionally scarred. They both needed to control the world. Viktor using machines, and Jayce uses public image (because who doesn't love a hero?). Who is the bad guy? Maybe both. Maybe neither. I think they both are victims, but I think both have become so overcome with their obsession that they are blinded to reason.

GreenLore5/30/2015, 1:23:41 PM1 votes

Overall people tend to project their own image of Viktor onto him,which is why they were so eager to jump to blame jayce(who is basically Viktors victim in his lore)

Many people think of Viktor as a guy who runs around the streets of zaun and hands out free cyborg-operations to the ones who need them(so if someone is missing a leg,he'll give you one,if you want a full body augmentation,he'll do that). Its like Viktor is the cyborg jesus.

And it goes so far that people tend to overlook viktors wrong doings and justify them by making Jayce the bad guy.

But there is actually very little to support that. Lore about Viktor is scarce,what we know is that he has purged himself from most(but not all) emotions. He sees humanity as flawed and wants to imrpove them. And Jayces Lore perfectly shows that he is ready to cross certain moral lines to achieve his goals.

I am not saying that he is your cackling villain who kicks puppys for fun,or that he is morally one-sided,but that he is definetly not the good guy many people think he is.

And yes Stanwick piddly is definetly the root of the problem.

The Soulforged5/30/2015, 6:52:51 PM1 votes

I'd like to see a way where Jayce doesn't seem like a cocky ass, and Viktor doesn't seem like some Saturday cartoon villain in Jayce lore. I like your ideas on this :). Would like to see a lot less Black and White in lore :/

kitcat3005/30/2015, 8:16:23 PM1 votes

Its funny how with ekko's release that we start talking about these two more. XD

Anyways, I remember reading how someone described the current lore as being a big "chapter 1." A champion is realesed, we get their back-stories, personalty, and relationships. After that, however, it just stops.

In this case, we don't know what Viktor really does in Zaun, or how Jayce uses his fame. Since I don't play these two, I don't really have an attachment to either one, so I cant really draw a conclusion about this until I get a glimpse into their daily lives.

LordTrevas6/1/2015, 8:44:20 PM1 votes

Viktor is an asshole who wants to turn everything organic into machines, even if they don't want it. That is pretty villainous.