A rexamination of the Noxus-Ionia relationship in light of the removal of the institute of war

Gyges Skyeye·10/17/2014, 3:08:45 AM·16 votes·3,967 views

*This was initially meant to be a post in Carnival Knights’ thread I apparently can’t post this much into a reply box at once.


I think it’s time we had a talk about that whole Noxian invasion of Ionia thing…

Riot, through its devblogs and other red posts has indicated that it is attempting to craft a much more vibrant world that is involves deeper motivations for its champions. A big chunk of this is removing the puppeteering of the Institute of War/summoners as the strings controlling the character’s actions in favor of suggesting that the characters might actually have their own motivations for the actions they undertake.

I want to examine at the napkin-math level the current relationship between Ionia and Noxus;
-Noxians invaded Ionia because they are dastardly evil-dooers -Ionians all hate Noxus because you hate the dudes that stabbed you with a sword

That is all the relationship is right now. There is no great breadth of interaction between Noxus. It’s a relationship that is entertaining fluff and empty calories. It’s entertaining as a novelty but without much substance or sense of purpose just like the USFL jersey nameplates of “HE HATE ME” and “I HATE HIM”. Its good showmanship antics and that is it. As the story stands there isn’t much room to develop a breadth and diversity of narrative on the Noxian-Ionian conflict. This is problematic for Ionia, an archepelligo otherwise isolated from Runetera except for the Noxus conflict driver. Thankfully there are some very powerful themes with home-hitting familiarity to much of the world markets where League of Legends is played that can be substituted to craft an engaging narrative.


I am going to throw up a big DISCLAIMER here before continuing. Some governments of the world and thus the markets they preside over have insecurity issues on the following themes. An examination would be need to be made at Riot if Localization of the following potential lore would be possible or if censorship issues would preclude it.

Goals;

  1. Identify Noxian and Ionian affinities and their tenants that lead to organically occurring ties between these two factions.
  2. Give Ionian champions a vehicle to break their isolationism and interact in diverse and meaningful ways with the rest of Runeterra.

First, an examination of Noxus

Too often Noxus is trope-cast into being “evil” despite its core affinity being “Power”. The invasion having occurred in the past allows us to examine Noxus’ actions with the lens of history and a textbook almost academic presentation of the city. The Sion relaunch was a great example of this kind of academic presentation. We can see what the systemic, uniquely Noxian problems are that the city state has suffered from. Ultimately they should all flow from the shortcomings of a life guided primarily by ‘Power’.

Noxian Tenants of power a) Noxus supports survival of the powerful (mental, magical, physical) b) The weak while not actively culled are left out to weather in absence. c) No judgement is passed on the means to achieve power d) Supremacy of the human(oid) form and inter-species xenophobia keep Noxus on track

This survival of the powerful tenant drives Noxus into a titanology effect. In Noxian society it is better to have fewer but more powerful offspring, soldiers, weapons, ect. When this tenant has been instituted since antiquity it leads to each Noxian being valuable and hard to replace. Such a sense of irreplaceability serves to build the esprit de corps of Noxus even amongst the lowest members of its society.

Systemic flaws of Noxus a) Noxus has a low population base to work from due to this titanology and is being out-populated into obsolescence by other city states of Valoran b) Noxian quality is at risk of being outweighed by Demacian, Piltoverian, ect’s sheer numbers c) Xenophobic attitude has irreparably damaged relations with continental Valoran.

Noxus’ historical problems with the lack of manpower needed to constantly replace losses from the moral crusades of external forces mean that if today’s Noxus wanted to survive as an independent power they needed to have acted on it one hundred fifty or more years ago. And so, they did…

Potential remedies for the flaws of Noxus a) Conquer Demacia i. This hasn’t exactly worked any of the times they tried it before b) Conquer Piltover i. Friends of Demacia see above c) Conquer Zaun i. Attack our only friends in this world? d) Subjugate various magical beasties of Valoran i. Bugs are gross! ii. A Yordle!?! e) Subjugate Ionia i. It’s got vast numbers of people we could conscript ii. It’s kind of out of the way where no one can easily help them iii. It’s got vast numbers of people who are pacifists iv. It’s residents are kind of obsessed with training personal power just like us!

To Noxus, one of these ideas looks much better than the others and it begins to be easy to see where the idea to make Ionia into a colony of Noxus comes from.


Second, The subjugation of Ionia

This would undoubtedly be a complex process with a lot of room to create narrative background for today’s events – the stories of the champions we do play. My suggestion on the first step of this process is to retcon it backwards in time a significant amount. This will allow for the past tragedies associated with what would certainly be a brutal campaign to remain in the past. Not every single Ionian needs to follow the Inigio Montoya storyline “You killed my (insert relative or martial arts teacher here) Prepare to die!”. It gets old fast and feels really shallow.

Placing the invasion in the past would also let it be used as a thematic hook for key narrative events like Sion’s storyline. Why was Noxus so weak at that moment? Perhaps it was Boram Darkwill’s all-in make or break moment with Noxus’s armies still overseas and only a token homeguard to defend the city itself. An invasion in the past would give more weight to the accomplishments of our chronologically older champions and give them a new thematic bridge to the present day.

Further placing the invasion in the past will allow us to create a sense of stability about the current arrangement of the Noxus-Ionia situation. The time lapsed will allow us to create a track record of Noxian rule in Ionia that will act as the razor that carves the Ionian champion base into smaller more nuanced point of views.

The tenants of Noxian rule should largely derive from the goals of its occupation of Ionia and the Noxian tenants of Power

a) Noxus came to Ionia for manpower. Ionian’s are therefore compelled to serve in the Noxian army during times of conflict.
i. This would take the form of both Ionian led and composed units and integrated forces.
b) Noxian interest is about glory for Noxus not making/converting Ionia to be ‘Noxian’ i. Annexed areas of Ionia are considered ‘part’ of Noxus albeit secondarily to the continental possessions and the city state itself ii. In light of this most of governmental affairs of Ionia are decentralized and assigned to the traditional pre-invasion sources.
c) While ruling Ionia with a loose hand it is a heavy hand and any action crossing beyond civil-disobedient protest and into rebellion is summarily crushed with absolute lack of mercy d) As Noxus is a power driven meritocracy, Ionians that volunteer, pursue, and embrace the spirit of Noxus are given equal advancement consummate with their deeds and in some cases will occupy key positions in military and government e) Not all of the minor and outlying islands of the Ionian archipelago were conquered. Noxus has no designs for these small areas preferring instead to use them as a pressure release valve where dissidents may be exiled to without being martyred

How this Noxian rule has been executed can be a point of contention and a conflict driver for the Ionian characters to debate amongst themselves. What I think would occur is what has occurred in the real world -- a lack of consensus on the best course of action for those with spirt, an apathy to change amongst those that are risk adverse, and a comfort in an orderly status quo amongst those who want to live unmolested. I think that the debate and the narratives that you could craft within this framework would resonate deeply with those areas of the world where grappling with colonialism and its effects is imprinted on the national ethos. (see India, Korea, Indonesia, Philippines, Polynesia, SE Asia, ect)


Third, an examination of Ionia with more leeway from the author

Ionia is really an eclectic collection of champions right now. They are generally trope-typed as eastern themed or martial artsy themed champions. But each point of the collection is so remote from the next that they cannot coordinate the symphony of Ionian story. It’s like trying to build a telecom network in the outback – there are very big distances involved and it gets very expensive. In my mind we need to bring these characters closer together so that they can first live and interact with one another. We can then use vehicles like the Noxian army and Noxian occupation as a vehicle to export these characters to Valoran where they can have rich stories and interactions with the rest of the cast of the League of Legends.

To that end I’ve done a non-exhaustive pass over some of the Ionia champions to group them into camps of sorts with hypothetical attitudes towards the status of Noxian rule in Ionia.

-The Ionian Dunk Squad Jax, Irellia, Master Yi, Wu Kong

These guys list “Cultural-practioning Badass” as their occupation on their tax returns. This is a group with no extreme fondness or love for Noxian rule. They aren’t striving for independence either. They are well aware of the concept of if not Noxus then someone else-- ie) if Demacia were in charge of Ionia instead you could write off having any more council of the elders under the monarchy structure and you can write off all your love of non-theistic spirituality when justice-worshiping Demacia comes to town. With enough street miles to understand realpolitick, Noxian rule is unobtrusive enough for them to go along with it and find other ways to retain, express, and develop their Ionian virtues instead.

Begrudgingly complying with the requirement for military service they seek to show Ionian superiority through their own unique means and prove that Noxus has a deeply flawed understanding of power. -For Jax this is eschewing true weaponry and creaming opponents with a lamppost and other training weapons. What Noxian can do that? -For Irellia, she can do it all with no hands. What Noxian can do that? -For Master Yi, whatever a Noxian can do he can train a monkey to do better. -For Wu Kong, he can do anything better than you. -Whereas Noxian troops may kill all troops these Ionian regiments may force retreats, accept surrenders, take prisoners, ect (much to the disgrace of Noxian Pride)

-Those actively rebelling Yasuo

Once or twice a decade, some Ionian village thinks it wise to rebel. The rebellion usually ends shortly with the village entirely extinguished. How did Yasuo’s village fare? Take a look at his backstory, change virtually nothing, and you have your answer. This gives all the thematic space necessary to pursue the Riven-Yasuo narrative farther. What engendered the village’s rebellion? Perhaps it was Lee Sin’s self-immolation?

-Those in independent Ionia Karma, Lee Sin, Varus

As an escape valve for dissidents, the outlying islands act as an echo chamber for Ionian independence rhetoric and clamor. Their legendary resiliency is exceeded only by their lack of an economic base, of fighting numbers, and overestimation of support from an apathetic mainland Ionian populace.
-Karma, if anyone would be able to rekindle the flame of Ionian Independence it would be this young, diplomatic firebrand. -Lee sin, actually set himself on fire before being exiled to independent Ionia -Varus, probably jumped the gun too early on popping the evil pills.

-Those Noxus x Ionia champs Riven

Perhaps these are the decendents of Noxian noble/military families that resettled to Ionia for personal gain. They have all the pedigree of Noxus but have ‘gone native’ or otherwise have Ionian qualities as well.

Riven participated in the brutal putdown of all challenges to Noxian order in Ionia. Given the jockeying for position that occurs often in the capital there is an inherent hypocrisy about how life out here at the edge of the empire is conducted. She has her own identity crisis to follow.

-Those Ionia x Noxus champs None yet

The invasion of Ionia now being a long standing fact, we have an opening in thematic space for what was once unthinkable. We can now introduce Ionians who have adopted and perfected the spirit of Noxus with their own Ionian abilities. There no longer would have to be a contrived turncoat story to account for this. Ionians could be drawn to pursue this path for any multitude of reasons be it economic or a desire to actually use their power, ect. If I ever get around to finishing it, I have some nice ideas for concept art along these lines and I’m sure other people do too.

At this point I’m curious to know what other players and particularly rioters think of the idea of repositioning the Noxus-Ionia relationship to open things up more and farther away from the squabble about who killed who. It’s supposed to be a happy occasion after all.

34 Comments

LordHippoman10/17/2014, 4:25:15 AM6 votes

While I definitely agree that the core intent in writing Noxus was "power", they need to do some serious changing (Please, not retconning) under their new leadership to be anything but the dedicated bad guys. The Noxians have slavery and gladatorial pits, and committed genocide on an entire village of minotaurs. That's all just from Alistar's lore. Dive into Riven's and you get the slaughtering of unarmed Ionian civilians, as well as authorizing the use of what is in effect a fantasy nuclear bomb on their own troops because some Ionians were there too. Serial killers like Shaco hang out in the streets (at least in his old lore, not sure if it changed), and they literally live on top of a GIANT SKULL. It's hard to argue Noxus having any moral ambiguity when they have done nothing good in the Lore except maybe allowing more class fluidity than their Demacian counterparts...although established families like the DuCouteau's and Darkwill's having a ton of power sort of flies in the face of that idea.

We had a discussion about this on the Lore Discussion forum too (RIP) and I sort of proposed two ideas for making Noxus more about the whole "power through individual strength" thing than "hammering the evil button because we can."

  1. Introduce a Noxian who is embodying that concept that gains political clout and opposes Swain. This could be a new character, but I kind of like the idea of it as a continuation of Riven's story, perhaps "redeeming" herself finally by righting the wrongs committed by her city state. The seeds for a Noxian civil war are firmly in place with Katarina and Talon's distrust of Swain, and perhaps they could find an unlikely ally in Riven/whoever the character is. Maybe if he's lucid and sane enough throw Sion in there, as he clearly doesn't seem a fan of Swain in his most clear moments.

  2. Have Swain do some good. Maybe he grants some conquered land back to its original owners, or issues a formal apology to the Freljord for killing barbarians there as "training exercises" (If that's still canon). That's not very Noxian, or Swain-y. But I never said he had to mean it. There could be an ulterior motive for everything he does. Swain is a genius and a schemer, and I think he could manage to swing any deal his way, whether the others know it or not.

Ionia, is, like you said, weird. Their thing seems to be "balance", but they should play that up a little more. The Kinkou triumvirate is mentioned in the lores for its champions and almost nowhere else. What exactly do they do? I think that's something that could be expanded on. Maybe give Syndra more presence, like an actual involvement in Ionian affairs (Hopefully this will also help with the thousands of people who think that comic is canon. It's not. Riot has barely written anything about Syndra.)

(Oh, just FYI, not trying to do a smug "gotcha" or whatever, but you identified Wukong as Ionian, when he's actually from Kumungu. Yi and Doran met him there. Although I can definitely see why, he fits the eastern motif really well. Jax is also not Ionian. Maybe. Kinda. Uh...)

CupcakeTrap10/17/2014, 5:48:46 PM5 votes

A big chunk of this is removing the puppeteering of the Institute of War/summoners as the strings controlling the character’s actions in favor of suggesting that the characters might actually have their own motivations for the actions they undertake.

I wish people would stop parroting this.

Crowe Stalker10/18/2014, 1:15:13 AM3 votes

I'm amazed how many people think 'Power' means 'Big Muscular Guy Darius'. Noxus cares about more than just Physical Strength. Sure, Strength is important, but it's not the only KIND of Strength there is in Noxus. Bulking Muscles will get you far, but if you really want to get high up the Chain of Command, you need to be capable of leading your soldiers and outsmarting your political rivals, lest they stab you in the back.

Darius is the obvious Strength of Noxus, but if Noxus was Purely Strength, he would be Grand General. Swain had somehow convinced Darius that he would lead Noxus back into Power, to strengthen the next generation and to ensure Noxus remained the most powerful nation. He did not see this in Keiran, whom he put to the Axe himself after Swain commanded him to (and don't tell me Swain didn't campaign against Keiran, that's exactly what he did in the Journal of Justice, which is so far the only Insight into the Noxian Civil War.)

Also, Boram did not approve of the Nobility. Before Boram, Noxus was controlled by it's Nobility, and most of the influential individuals belonged to The Black Rose. Boram came into power by a Military Coupe.

Swain is not Strong like Darius IN THE SENSE OF ACTUAL STRENGTH, Swain is Strong Of Will, and Strong Of Wit. he is calculating, able to outmaneuver his foes ('I'm Five Steps Ahead Of You.') and uses his knowledge of strategy to beat his enemies. His is a way of wearing down, not overpowering, and properly utilized his abilities harass the enemy out of lane. He forgoes Brute Force in favor of Weathering Through Defenses. Does that sound like a Brute Force Tactic, or does it sound like a Strategic Trade-Off, Forgoing Strong All-Ins in exchange for Infinite Harassment?

Cookiehime10/17/2014, 8:56:11 PM3 votes

But closer to the actual topic.

The ideas presented in the OP sound reasonable and could make things work. There now needs to be more valid and believable reasons as to why the invasion took place, especially without the Institute. As a recap, the reason the whole conflict happened in the old lore was because Ionia refused to be part of the League and Noxus took that opportunity to invade since the League would not settle disputes and mediate for the Ionians who willingly chose not to be affiliated with it. Forming a pact with the League was similar to forming a peace treaty whereby everyone who was part of the institution would agree to its terms and decide to settle disputes on the FoJ instead of murdering one another in a full-blown war. Those who were not members of the League had, in some ways, agreed to receive no protection whatsoever from outer forces or threats and those who were members were not allowed to destroy one another with Rune War levels of magical destruction because they mutually agreed not to. The Ionians only appealed to the League and demanded to be part of it after the terrible losses they suffered during the invasion. So, Noxus would only retain control over the Southern Provinces which they had already acquired before the appeal and did not proceed further North once Ionia joined the League. Most of the events that happened were based on agreements, pacts and respect of such formalities. From a purely political standpoint, the Ionia-Noxus conflict was pretty cool.

I hope they don't retcon the Ionian-Noxus conflict so it happened under Swain's rule. Launching the invasion is something Darkwill would do, not Swain. Imo, that'll bea bit OOC for Swain to use this method judging by how he had always achieved his goals unless he has legitimate reasons for attacking Ionia. Without the IoW I don't know why Noxus would choose to invade Ionia in an attempt to claim it as their territory. They could take the same route as the Shurima event, like finding an ancient relic that would allow them to gain more power (kinda like how Cass was sent on a mission to uncover the secret powers that lied within the Shuriman tombs). Or it could be for the reasons mentioned in the OP which sound much more valid. Or the team could also come up with even better reasons but we'll have to wait and see. Soon (tm).

Zkaiser10/17/2014, 6:57:19 AM2 votes

Karma used to play up the balance aspect of Ionia more before her relaunch. Irelia's also talks of balance and demonstrates it with her W.

Decaedeus10/18/2014, 6:07:12 PM2 votes

You're missing a point: the Noxian invasion of Ionia FAILED. That's what item 3158 is dedicated to; the Ionian victory over Noxus.

GreenLore10/17/2014, 4:55:58 PM1 votes

Overall karmas lore mentions how some Ionians want revenge on noxus,while others want to remain peaceful&traditional.

That doesn't mean there is some split in ionia,like the freljord,I mean Akali and Zed would probably be for answering the noxian invasion with violence(akali is rather ruthless and zed seems to be against the traditions of ionia),but they are still on opposing sides.

Speaking of the ninjas,they seem rather distant from this whole noxus conflict,what did they even do during the invasion?

Cookiehime10/17/2014, 8:44:28 PM1 votes

People seem to have some diverging opinions over what Noxus is but I think everyone here agrees that Noxus is all about "power" and being able to climb up the ranks regardless of one's socio-political status (that's how I understood it). This is evidenced with Darius' lore where, despite his initially poor social background and condition as an orphan, he had managed to rise up the ladders through sheer determination and strength, getting himself and his brother out of the difficulties they faced as orphans, and eventually becoming the "Hand of Noxus."

There's also Riven who, despite having a slightly less detailed background of her former life, has risen up into the Elite through sheer strength and physical prowess. She grew up, was taught and was trained with the ideal that only the strong survive in Noxus. She was, however, disillusioned during the war in Ionia where everything she was taught kinda flew out of the window when both friend and foe, Noxian comrades and Ionian enemies, were killed by the Zaunite chemical weapons regardless of their alliance or strength.

The fact that the ruling class in Noxus, pre-Swain, were nobles (Darkwill, DuCouteau, etc.) and have been affluent in Noxus for a very long time makes one question if the Noxian ideal of "power" rang true. Maybe they were too strong and no one had managed to overcome them until the Swain coup, where under-handed tactics had to be used to bring them down (deal with the Institute, Kalamanda assasination, Marcus' disappearance, LB conspiracy, etc.). I don't think Swain would have been able to win a 1v1 against either Keiran or Boram or even Marcus.

So, what is "Power" in Noxian terms? I think that under Boram, it may have all been about raw physical strength. Schemers like LB and Swain and the whole of the Black Rose society do not seem to possess that kind of raw power and are most definitely the kind of 'magey' individuals whose strengths lie elsewhere from what one may call "brute force." Hopefully, more light will be shed about them, their identity and their purpose.

But Darius, even though he climbed up the ranks with pure physical strength and iron determination, recognized Swain as the "true" leader of Noxus and deeply respected him, choosing not to take power for himself and instead acting as the right-hand man. I think Darkwill's rule and the influence Noxian nobility had over the city-state for what would seem like centuries could have had something to do with that. Whether he was right or wrong in trusting Swain to lead the country is up to debate. So, what is Swain plotting right now?

SlackerboyTC10/18/2014, 1:17:59 AM1 votes

isnt ionia supposed to be similar to asia which for the most part didnt interact with many people, why would they change ionia because of the institute of war

Dreamspitter10/17/2014, 7:02:29 AM1 votes

Noxus = The Sith.

It wasnt really a good/evil thing in the beginning for Sith, but restraint vs freedom/emotion.

ZenithEevee10/19/2014, 7:16:51 PM1 votes

Riven X Irelia will still be holding strong.

Besides, I'm sure we all know that ionia* just wants to be peaceful with noxus...

Captain Aishi10/17/2014, 12:21:34 PM1 votes

Here is a fun historical fact:

King Darius the Great was the person in charge of quelling the Ionian rebellions

Great presentation on your post!

Crowe Stalker10/17/2014, 3:10:43 PM1 votes

Okay, I was linked to this, and I have to point out one gaping flaw in your philosophy. I am a Swain Roleplayer on a few platforms, and I've interacted with other Swains, and Darius', and even a Katarina and Cassiopeia. While it is true Noxus goes into a Drive for Power, Noxus does not purposely sacrifice numbers. Families are encouraged (though not directly given incentives) to have multiple births to ensure Noxus is always populated, and Noxus is one of the most populated city-states in Valoran despite all of their wars. As strong as they are, they are not the Rakkor. They can't be devoted to Sheer Strength and forget their Numbers.

To LordHippoman, that's exactly how I envision Swain. He isn't Evil Because Evil, he's a more Subtle Evil, one that's willing to do some good to establish power or sympathy in another place so he can cash in his chips later. I even imagined him making a Noxian/Ionian Treaty at one point to publicly prove he's not like his Predecessor, Boram Darkwill, to Foreign Entities and begin showing a more Diplomatic side to Noxus. However, having Political Opponents pisses Swain off, and he will sick the Military, The Black Rose, and Independent Mercenaries to kill them (except for Katarina, she's too well-entrenched in the Military to try without risking another Civil War he's not ready to fight so long as Riven and The Reformists draw breath)

Swain, as much as I can understand him, is not stupid, and he's not Evil for the fun of it. He's capable of a whole lot more than Boram ever was, because even while he has to contend with the possibility of Traitors much more than Boram did (because very few people trust him, even inside his borders) he is capable of much more subtle plays, like making a Peace Treaty with the Ionians or actually going to other city-states to talk with their leaders. And he is charismatic to everyone except Demacians (but even that has exceptions, like Lucian, who isn't in their Military, and Sona BuVelle, because he loves her music and respects her talent.)

Jibamao10/17/2014, 4:28:18 PM1 votes

Terrible ideas.