Relationship between Targonians and Aspects?

My Fizz no ult·3/6/2019, 3:37:15 PM·7 votes·6,402 views

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I am so disappointed that in Kayle and Morgana's new lore there is no any new thing about Targon Prime and origins of Aspects.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

So, THE MOST MYSTERIOUS race before Yordles!

My Questions are:

1. Targoninas are just, or at least were just a normal race in the early time of current universe, like Runeterran people, from certain planet? Or they are from another plane of existence or another dimension, whose existence form has always been spirit or some unknow cosmic energy?

2. Aspects arise from Targonians (for example, some ascension form in the celestial world, same as Shuriman Ascension), or Aspects created Targonians? Or they are just two different type of creatures who work together?

**3. In Soraka's new lore it mentions: **

An age ago, when time itself was young, the inhabitants of the celestial realm regarded the fledgling races of Runeterra with growing concern.

So, what is this "inhabitants of the celestial real”? And why they care so much about the runeterra people?

Are they targonians? Are they aspects? or they are someone else?

** 4 . Another quote in Soraka's lore:**

These creatures deviated wildly, unpredictably, and dangerously from the great designs intended for them by those above. The guidance and fates that had been woven into the night sky often went unseen—or worse, were misinterpreted by their simple mortal minds, leading to chaos, uncertainty, and suffering.

This means that the celestial beings is watching and guiding or even controlling the mundane people. Only for Runeterra? Or they just do this on all civilizations in this universe?

AND WHY THEY DO THIS? They are natural celestial beings? or they are targonians who arose by hand of aurelion sol from another ordinary planet, and now just wanna control all the universe?

** 5 . Still SORAKA'S lore.**

She mentions pantheon, leona and diana, and seems that she know them and know how the aspect ascension work.

If she is not an aspect,what is she? A targonian normal inhabitant???

Or just another race of celestial beings cause there are many races in the celestial realm like in Runeterra?

They what is the relationship between Soraka and other targonians and aspects?

** 6 . So how many celestial races **out there are in the universe?

They are all called targonians? Or just targonians conquered them all? so now it is a united empire?

7 . Why did targonians slave aurelion sol, if they are such a poweful race cause in Sol's lore it says targonians had already got the ability to colonize out of their home planet?

But why 3 years ago, a rioter said that what Sol's thinks and knows about Targonians is not 100% accurate because even he doesn't know what are targonians and where they are from?

** 8 . AGAIN, in Q&A, Riot mentioned that some celestial beings created current plane of existence producing at the same time the world runes.**

Then, what are these celestial beings? Are they targonians ? aspects? or targonians and aspects?

If they are targonians with such power, then again, why they need to slave Sol?

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OMG

PLZ, this drived me crazy!!

I am stuck in the process of lore video making for this unknown information.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

18 Comments

The Iceborn3/6/2019, 4:47:57 PM7 votes

K and M were very underwhelming, i have no words for it.. So many missed opportunities, such confusing characters..

Camille Ferrøs3/6/2019, 4:39:19 PM6 votes

I feel like they gave us so many teases and bits of info spread all around the lore that even the writers themselves are forgetting what they previously told us,

Jaspers3/6/2019, 4:49:56 PM2 votes

Simply put, I expect Aspects are Targonians, like you do. They are beings who have ascended beyond a form which is why they need hosts but I think this happened long before they even came to Runeterra. They 'arrived' at Mount Targon, called it Targon and so those around Mount Targon are called Targonians.

The Runeterran Targonian's captured Sol directly thanks to Aspects, Aspects use him more than Runeterran Targonians.

On Soraka's stuff, she is obviously above even them, she is a celestial but the key to Runeterra is down to who or what started creating it and gave up. It's hinted that Runeterra isn't a naturally formed planet and is of a design (the World Runes exist). Soraka will know the Aspects as she has watched the Aspects long before she settled on Runeterra.

Lastly, I'd suggest that Aspects are now few and far between. Sol's independence, ability to kill Pantheon, shows their power is thinning and the once mighty empire doesn't exist anymore.

My Fizz no ult3/6/2019, 4:07:13 PM1 votes

I infer based on these information the best conclusion:

1 . Somewhere shortly after the creation of universe arise a super civilization who are called targonians. They had no difference with other civilization and runeterran people.

2 . They were so advanced that could already conquer other low-level civilizations and colonize.

3 . For more power and more celestial empire territory, they arrived in a planet called Runeterra, instructing the local people whose descendants are Rarkours in order to give the crown to Aurelion Sol.

4 . Cursed Aurelions Sol helped Targonians expand the empire untill all the universe is occupied by them.

5 . They somehow found a way of ascension, using certain celestial power to become the aspect, the existence of a primal concept.

The targonians are so super poweful that they don't even need their body. Instead, they transform themselves fusing with the stars, becoming all spiritual.

That is why Soraka changes her appearience when falling down.

Yes,Soraka is just a targonian.

6 . Against big threat and enemies, targonians and their ascended form - Aspects use Aurelion Sol to eliminate them. But for low-level and primary civilizations, there is no necessary to start an colonization or war. Therefore, Targonians make tricks in the night sky to guide those primary beings in the planets, like some miracles for them.

In this way, they controlled other civilizations.

Am I right?

[zombie-brand-clap]

TacoBrain3/6/2019, 11:33:06 PM1 votes

An attempt at answering this:

Targoninas are just, or at least were just a normal race in the early time of current universe, like Runeterran people, from certain planet? Or they are from another plane of existence or another dimension, whose existence form has always been spirit or some unknow cosmic energy?

I am guessing the latter. Scathlocke once implied they did not originate in Runeterra nor any other world but you can make the case that the celestial realm isn't a "world" proper (in the sense of a planet) so much as an entirely different plane of existence.

Aspects arise from Targonians (for example, some ascension form in the celestial world, same as Shuriman Ascension), or Aspects created Targonians? Or they are just two different type of creatures who work together?

Let's use two different terms for Aspects: mortal Aspects are the hosts, celestial Aspects are the celestials that empower them. The real Targon, the ones who enslaved ASol, are the celestial Aspects (and maybe, any lesser celestial entities that serve them). The people of Mount Targon aren't "Targorian" in the same sense as the celestial entities. They are just people, whose culture is shaped by the Aspects, living at what is effectively their doorstep potentially following lessons the celestial Aspects shared in times immemorial. They stand in Mount Targon and fight wanderers (celestial entities that enter Runeterra via the portal atop Mount Targon) and are sometimes chosen/empowered by the celestial Aspects as their agents (in which case, celestial and human merge, something similar, but not wholly identical, to Ascension).

So, what is this "inhabitants of the celestial real"? And why they care so much about the runeterra people?

Are they targonians? Are they aspects? or they are someone else?

Unknown, maybe Targon is a specific group of celestials that did not give up on their little pet project. Maybe they have other motivations. This is just beyond what we presently know.

This means that the celestial beings is watching and guiding or even controlling the mundane people. Only for Runeterra? Or they just do this on all civilizations in this universe?

Runeterra seems to be a nexus of all the realms, it is the door and crossroads of all of creation (and beyond, even the Void has found a way in via Runeterra). Whatever celestials shaped Runeterra using the world runes seemed to have wanted to create a plane of existence that could outshine all others, perhaps they realized too late they had invited the Void to their realm. Perhaps Targon are those celestials that stand watch for the Void.

AND WHY THEY DO THIS? They are natural celestial beings? or they are targonians who arose by hand of aurelion sol from another ordinary planet, and now just wanna control all the universe?

We don't know, I assume they were curious and playing gods but, in their celestial purity, never quite understood free will. We've had info on Celestial Concepts, ideals manifest in the celestial realm, the very power behind mortal Aspects and Ascended. Perhaps they can only ever be what they are. Could War ever not be War and be something more or something else? Maybe they're slaves to their deterministic natures and never expected mortal life to not be constrained to a single idea like they are.

She mentions pantheon, leona and diana, and seems that she know them and know how the aspect ascension work.

If she is not an aspect,what is she? A targonian normal inhabitant???

Maybe but, again, we don't know. Maybe she was a celestial concept that abandoned her role to interact with the quirky physical reality.

Or just another race of celestial beings cause there are many races in the celestial realm like in Runeterra?

I do believe Targon is not the only celestial faction (Myisha wanted plausible deniability for trapping/killing celestials when she trapped the Darkin but the question is: who would hold her accountable? I'm guessing non-Targorian Concepts/Aspects).

They what is the relationship between Soraka and other targonians and aspects?

Not known yet.

So how many celestial races out there are in the universe?

They are all called targonians? Or just targonians conquered them all? so now it is a united empire?

I reckon that no, Targon is not the entirety of celestials nor do they control the whole of the celestial realm. I will leave this bit from Zoe's bio:

Following this unusual transcendence, Zoe journeyed to dimensions at the very edge of Targon's control, playing within realities beyond human comprehension.

So Targon is still expanding interdimensionally.

Why did targonians slave aurelion sol, if they are such a poweful race cause in Sol's lore it says targonians had already got the ability to colonize out of their home planet?

But why 3 years ago, a rioter said that what Sol's thinks and knows about Targonians is not 100% accurate because even he doesn't know what are targonians and where they are from?

A few things: bios are subjective. The most obvious examples are Jayce and Viktor. Bios reflect what the champion thought to a point. Aurelion thought they were a species that had expanded from their home world (in a way, he may be right). I believe he has since realized he was wrong and tricked. He likely saw what Targon wanted him to see at the time.

As for the reason they need him? Targon cannot operate in the material plane usually. Their mortal Aspects, the time space twisting around the Mountain and Soraka sacrificing her power to even come to Runeterra are examples of this. But Aurelion? He is a physical creature or, at least, more physical than them. He is the perfect weapon. They cannot exert their power in the material plane but ASol can.

Then, what are these celestial beings? Are they targonians ? aspects? or targonians and aspects?

If they are targonians with such power, then again, why they need to slave Sol?

We don't know. They may be completely unrelated to Targon or Targon as an empire may have been born from these would-be creator's actions (maybe the celestial Aspects were part of that group). The Sol question should be answered just before.


TL;DR: An attempt at synthesizing all this/my current thoughts:

  • A group of celestials created Runeterra with some goal. Runeterra is the nexus of all known planes (physical, spiritual, celestial and the Void). Celestial Creators abandon the project.

  • Targon, a group of celestial concepts (embodiments of abstract concepts) that would later be known as Aspects, is formed, relation with the Creators unknown.

  • Celestial concepts cannot operate in the physical plane without significant cost so they rely on merging with humans who resonate with their essence and manipulate an arrogant star dragon into servitude (making him think they are a mere "physical" race). Now, they have the means to operate in the physical plane and use Aurelion to challenge any physical entities that could threaten their control. They begin to expand into multiple dimensions.

  • Their foothold/gateway into Runeterra lies in a mountain known as Mount Targon. People gather there and build cultures around the Aspects, the Aspects likely manipulate them in small ways, ensuring they stand guard against celestial Wanderers that come from atop the mountain. The people of Mount Targon are not true Targorians and Targorians may not be an actual celestial race so much as simply the term for those few celestials that have active interest in Runeterra.

Stars Shaper3/7/2019, 11:49:00 AM1 votes

Imo it's as you state in point 2.

Targonians were a mortal race that tapped into cosmic magic by themselves, this caught the interest of the Celestial Aspects who choose Targonians as their partners against the Void and to realize their grand design of the universe. That would also explain how a race of mortals was able to craft the crown and the spell used to chain Aurelion Sol to their will.

Adding: Soraka is a Celestial, not an Aspect as that kind of Celestials could be a faction or a group of Celestials deeply bound with cosmic entities such as Suns, Moons or other things.