Overall what did you all think of the Darkin Lore Update?

BLIGHTBRINGER·6/14/2019, 6:17:19 PM·12 votes·13,676 views

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Warlord Dienekes6/14/2019, 8:17:36 PM12 votes

Just throwing random opinions out then.

I like that the Darkin are Shuriman now. I never really cared for Runeterra’s galactic pretenses. And ultimately I think making darkin’s existence a metaphor for PTSD and the corruption of power is far, far more interesting than evil demons from space.

Aatrox is at his best when he’s philosophizing and contemplative. Agonizing over his lot in life and how he has fallen. Sure it’s juvenile “woe is me” philosophizing but it works He is at his worst when he is screaming at stupid things. Unfortunately there is more screaming than there is contemplating in his quotes. I wish they would have restrained that part of him to just being when talking to Zoe and Pantheon where it feels earned.

Rhaast and Kayne have never interested me. I don’t have anything to say about them.

Varus, I am conflicted about. On the one hand two lovers fighting off possession is unique. And that cinematic they made for him was breathtaking. But I’m am not certain it was worth losing original Varus over as I feel that character has plenty of places to go in the lore. Sure they tried to bring aspects of that back in the backstory of the Darkin side of Varus but it is not the same and no longer the focus of the champions’s story. I really think Riot shot themselves in the foot with this one. Especially since the in game character has not changed, resulting in weird out of character dialogue and animations.

It’s a pity. Because the new Varus would have made an excellent addition to the Darkin by itself.

d00mface6/14/2019, 10:51:02 PM8 votes

It's part of what got me into League (aside from just Aatrox himself) so I'm a tad biased, but I like the current lore for the darkin. I know a big complaint people have is that by making them connected to Shurima it makes things too insular and too Runeterra-centered and I totally respect that, but for me I feel the opposite. I like them being connected to a Runeterran culture rather than being otherworldly beings. To me the latter makes them feel too disconnected. Having them be otherworldly beings makes any justification for them being a part of Runeterran happenings risk feeling tacked on or cheap "They're here because... uh... reasons! We'll explain it later maybe." y'know? Probably why they changed characters like Morgana and Kayle into descendants of an Aspect rather than keeping them angels from another dimension too. They Aspects themselves, though otherworldly, still feel more connected to Runeterra than both of those concepts of extra-dimensional beings to me at least. So it's a worth it trade off in K&M's case.

Also them being humans turned ascended and later darkin gives them a more grounded feel to me, it gives them more humanity, and makes them overall more interesting and rounded characters to me. I don't mind our flatter more single-minded characters such as demons with singular goals from their conception, but they're just not the sort of character that interests me very much personally. Like, I like Evelynn but I don't feel I could deeply analyze her character and motivations as thoroughly as I have someone like current Aatrox. That's just my take on it though - I know my opinions aren't universal and that a good chunk of people feel strongly the complete opposite way of me. I just wish there was a way to please everyone honestly, but I know that isn't realistic.

mrmeddyman6/15/2019, 3:27:31 AM7 votes

At first I was like wtf why Rito? Alien/extradimentional Darkin were cool.

Now I get why they did it and honestly .... prefer it this way. Tying them more to Runeterra makes them have a splash effect on a lot of other champs . Especially Vladimir which is one of my favorite lore updates. Should probably just leave all that Celestial stuff for Targon.

Zombie Slayer6/15/2019, 1:41:32 PM6 votes

I think the Darkin are amazing. Ever since I've heard of the idea of the darkin from lore I was in love, the idea of a powerful being that is trapped in a weapon and corrupts a host is something I really enjoy as a character/monster type. The lore changing them to Shurimans is something I love, by making them ascended and once human they can not only fit into a region and the history of Runterra but they also can show what PTSD from fighting wars can do to a human mind. Aatrox is the best example of the 3 out of 5 Darkin chamions we've seen.

Darkin: Ascended created from the power of the sun disc who are practically gods and warriors for Shurima. When the battle of Icathia happened these humans given godlike powers had to fight monsters who corrupt and kill, they most likely saw comrades who they've probably been close with be slaughtered, corrupted, and twisted into void creatures that they had to kill. War and very traumatic events can give people and animals PTSD and thats with our type of war with guns and bombs now imagine you're fighting monsters from another world and even though you are extremely powerful they can still go toe to toe with you. If I remember correctly the PTSD and the loss of Azir made then go insane with a higher type of PTSD. Being godlike beings they fought to try to rule the world since they had no leader to follow and give them purpose, they used ancient blood magic to give themselves armor in order to fight one another and not all of them turned into Darkin Nasus after trapping Xerath and his brother in a tomb went into hiding and Renekton was in a tomb with Xerath going insane during the whole Darkin war and probably wouldve used blood magic and such to change himself into a darkin if he was freed earlier but if he was never trapped with Xerath he would have probably just went into hiding with Nasus but who knows. Then from what we know the Aspect of change before Zoe became its host went around killing Darkin then she taught people how to contain them and presumably all of the Darkin were wiped out except for 5. Aatrox, Rhaast, Varus, and 2 other unnamed Darkin yet we know one is a girl but we have no information on the other one.

Aatrox: He was a noble ascended who was a hero and protector of Shurima. After he became a Darkin he was a shadow of his former glory. Hateful, angry, depressed, has body dismorphia, and is very suicidal. He talks lots and lots about how amazing he once was and how his body is a mockery of what he was he doesnt even call it himself he distances himself from it by just calling it flesh. He hates what he has become he wants to die and he wants revenge for being trapped in a weapon after he protected the world from the horrors of the void. He talks somberly and he uses killing as a way to distract himself from what he has become. Aatrox is one of my favorite champions and all the depth he has truly shows how amazing he is.

Rhaast: We dont have alot of lore about him. From what we can tell he was a ascended warrior that turned into a darkin after the Icathia battle and he was a a meaningful figure during that time since one of the Darkin in Twilight of the Gods talks about him. He was put into a scythe and left somewhere in the ground in Noxus if I recall correctly and if Aatrox's lore is something to remember being trapped in a weapon is agonizing and gives you immense suffering which can explain why Rhaast is insane and just wants to kill. He was left there for a millennia till Noxian soldiers found him and were transporting him somewhere and Kayn and another shadow warrior ambushed them and Rhaast chose Kayn to be his first host and reject others by burning through them. They both are very similar in being around violence their whole lives and the struggle is very interesting and I hope Rhaast and Kayn get more lore.

Varus: A Darkin who was trapped in his bow and put in a well in the Ionian temple called Pallas. Theres a couple Vai and Valmar who fight against invading Noxians and one of them is injured (I dont remember who) and in a attempt to save them they pick up the injured one and jump into the well where the Darkin is kept not knowing that it was a Darkin in the well and then the 2 bodies are fused together and Varus has to try to fully corrupt them but they are still in his mind and he has to still fight for control and sometimes Kai or Valmar are in control. The one who was injured fuels Varus' corruption with rage and the other one is the calm that is preventing Varus from taking full control. The concept is really interesting and I have nothing wrong with a gay couple but I just wish they did something different. They should have made a VGU for Varus either as a secret until the lore and video came out and gave a new look to make him fit in with the Darkin and to give him a new voice over with Kai and Valmar and just updating him would make him look and feel much better. And secondly I would have made it a Ionian father and son, this can show how a father will protect his son and how older people are less angry and vengeful and how younger people focus more on those emotions and how it can damage them. Hes alright Im not as happy with him as I am for Rhaast or Aatrox but hes not bad.

The Darkin are amazing and I just wish that RIot will release the other 2 Darkin champions and more lore instead of doing other things like making a new region. I hope the other 2 darkin are unique and interesting who show parts of Darkin that we havent seen other than anger and a love for killing plus if they put the Darkin in different regions like the Freljord or the Shadow Isles they can give them a very unique appearance and connect them to the region by having them use true ice or the mist in their kits.

AbiwonKenabi6/15/2019, 3:22:38 AM5 votes

In general, I like the new Darkin lore. It took a bit to adjust to the Darkin now being corrupted Ascended, but I think after it settled in, I like it more. The feeling of connectedness that some people dislike I think makes their stories more compelling. We now have a relatively complete picture of Shuriman history, which is important to the whole of Runeterra and many stories. Darkin are a part of that, and that makes their stories more interesting and more important. Before, they were this external threat, and now they are somewhat internal and there is more depth to them because they have such a history.

Someone else's post (I believe it was Warlord Dienekes' post) explained my feelings really well on Aatrox specifically. When he's allowed to be more philosophical like his former self, he's great. There's too much yelling in his in-game lines though. Other than that, I like his place in the lore; he still feels powerful and threatening, but he's a character that has gone through presumably several arcs and has more to come. I don't think old Aatrox really had that.

I absolutely LOVE Kayn and Rhaast; you have these two characters who, while on their own are good, become far more interesting when paired. Both have been rewarded for their violence in the past, and now have really messed up ideas about violence as a way of earning their place in the world, but these ideas have developed from very different backgrounds. Rhaast has obviously seen some shit, like the other Darkin, and has led to this really messed up individual. Kayn has only ever known violence his whole life; Zed found and accepted him when he saw his skill as a child soldier. They play off of one another great, and they are actually surprisingly similar given their wildly different backgrounds. Almost feels like if they had been born in more similar circumstances, they would have been good friends. I can't wait to see how their relationship develops.

Varus is by far my least favorite change. I have no problem with him being added to the Darkin roster, but I think we lost too much of old Varus. Varus used to be an emotional and compelling character, with themes of family vs duty and dealing with loss. They managed to retain some of the themes of love but in the most cliche feeling way. Who are Kai and Val and why should I care? They've had two comics featuring them and I still don't have any sense of their personalities, feelings, or anything. Same with Varus himself: he's no Rhaast and he's definitely no Aatrox. This could have been a really good opportunity to show a Darkin host actually cooperating; maybe the Darkin had some sympathy for Varus losing his family. But instead we get a "love will prevail" theme, which is fine, but not as good or unique as what we had before.

Overall, I think the Darkins are in a better place. Its a shame that League lore has such growing pains anymore, feels like every time some new bit of lore comes out, something gets retconned. That's what makes Yuumi and Qiyana's lore so refreshing (for the moment): they add to the world without changing something already established (maaaybe the name of the Kumungu jungle has changed, but that's a change I can live with).

Fierce Lint6/14/2019, 10:39:55 PM4 votes

Short version: I think it's, uh, good enough in some places, but I like it in general.

Slightly longer version: I think it's acceptable but the writers do need to fill in a lot of holes by pulling everyone's backstories into their current vision of Runeterra. A lot of the problems I see people having with it as of now is that some motivations are often vague and are not fleshed out nearly as much as they need to be. When dealing with characters with such overbearing personalities, a lot of work needs to be put into convincing readers that they are justified in being the way they are. Things like the Shuriman Emperor's relationship with the Ascended and the "influence" of the Void on the Ascended that turned into the Darkin need to be given more detail before a lot of people will even consider seeing eye-to-eye with the writers on what happened after the fall of Shurima. While I do see why some people liked the previous lore establishing Darkin as an otherworldly force, I can't help but feel that such a concept clashes with what the Void is meant to be, and the Darkin waging war with each other and with the people of Runeterra is in the vein of what the Void wished and still wishes to accomplish (which is not redundancy in my view, it is an extension of the will of the Void). I much like seeing a "fallen" version of the supposedly perfect Aspects and Ascended, which forces those groups to confront their human fallibility. This is unlikely to satisfy those of you with gripes against the current state of the lore, but these were just a couple pennies that fell out of my pocket.

Writers: pls gib moar context n lor

Camille Ferrøs6/14/2019, 6:24:56 PM3 votes

After a whole year, I'm ok about them being just Shuriman ascendants, since I lost all interest in them. I much preferred them as some separate ancient race rather than some ascendants with dumb reasonings to go mad and red, lol. I'm okay with Varus and Rhaast but I absolutely despise Aatrox. He is just a joke.

NotaRobot10066/14/2019, 8:53:34 PM3 votes

I like the lore we got. Shame that only 2/3rds of the Darkin got updated lore in the Darkin lore update, though.

Stars Shaper6/15/2019, 7:06:23 AM3 votes

After all... yes. It gives them more purpose and intertwines them better in the world better than them being LoL’s Burning Legion.

MarcReady6/15/2019, 5:06:04 PM3 votes

Long post ahead, feel free to skip, I'm about to criticize lol lore as a whole.

The lore as it is doesn't work, because there is no continuity: everytime there is a rework or a new champion, the previous lore gets scrapped or retconned, while older champions' stories are left in the dust, until their rework comes. The result is a colourful patchwork, with an ever-shifting shape.

What about the darkin? they first were supposed to be divine aspects (aatrox as a god of war), then became demons and finally became corrupted ascended. While their origin changes, their story leads nowhere, we know nothing about what they're up to right now, everything seems so disconnected that I wonder if the champions even live in the same world anymore. The darkin never got to interact with each other. It's like there's an event that vaguely links champions togheter (an ancient conflict against the void, the fall of Shurima), but then there is nothing else after that and everything is left unfinished. I've begun to think that there is no real direction in lore, because there is no lore at all: Riot works on lore only when a champion or a rework is about to come live, they "update", that is, they butcher old champions' stories to make room for the new entry and then leave everything be. You can see the trend with Sion's new bio. When I looked at Sion's rework I would see a story that shaped a character. Riot created a solid starting plot, leaving hints (would Sion ever discover the truth about the "grand general"?) but then completely scrapped them recently, and that story has no meaning now, because Sion got retconned out of nowhere and he has no links with boram darkwill anymore. Now sion is a generic warlord from past times. Why? Because Riot needed to create a "tribal-background" for Runeterra to make reworked Mordekaiser's story fit in. It would be nice to have some kind of continuity, like conflicts, alliances, deaths and discoveries, but unfortunately, we'll never know how the story goes, because these stories are created for a release, ready to be butchered and re-stitched some time later. I'll leave you another example, so you can think about it: who is Poppy? How does she fit in the recently xenophobic Demacia? What's her role? When writing about new demacian events, Riot completely forgot about Poppy and now her lore makes no sense and stands as a relic of past times: completely left in the dust. We're also left in a dusty limbo and we'll never get to see how the stories go.

Galactic Mayhem6/15/2019, 12:23:41 AM2 votes

I feel varus is incredibly out of place and tacked on

Also some mild inconsistencies, like aatrox can take over a host in like a second while rhaast is not only taking years, he has the very real chance of losing and dying..... THE VERY THING AATROX WANTS

Sloppy writing honestly