Congratulations Riot - You've started a timeline!

Oleandervine·4/30/2016, 10:33:15 PM·85 votes·11,054 views

I wanted to applaud the Riot lore team for finally giving us some lore that starts to weave together the events of Runeterra and give us an anchor for when things take place. The Bird and Branch story effectively places Cassiopeia's betrayal of Sivir and Azir's revival of ancient Shurima with Sivir's blood slightly before the Noxus invasion of Ionia, given that Taliyah had recently escaped Noxus forces when the merchants told her that Azir had revived his capital city. Well done. Now to begin weaving the other free floating story lines into a cohesive world so that Runeterra feels like a living world, instead of a montage of vignettes.

47 Comments

RiotRiotJaredan5/1/2016, 6:34:31 AM24 votes

Thanks, Oleandervine. You need to move the slider along the timeline just a little further than you're stating, but yeah, we want to keep the clock ticking for the world.

Pyrodinium4/30/2016, 11:11:45 PM11 votes

I think it is wrong to assume that Taliyah was part of the first wave of Noxian invaders, since Jaredan confirmed that Yasuo met her years into his exile, a the Unforgiven's disgrace occured during the invasion.

Tesla Effect5/1/2016, 6:20:04 PM3 votes

A timeline was started in a larger way with the Bilgewater events. Before that we only had small things mentioned within the Freljord and Shuriman champions.

Nahara5/1/2016, 4:32:06 PM3 votes

Time... line?

Time is not made out of lines, it's made out of circles. That is why clocks are round.

DrugsForRobots5/1/2016, 8:01:26 PM2 votes

I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I think you should put special emphasis on the weaving of stories.

The rest of this is just my opinion, but I hope we can start a discussion about what we mean by lore.

I think you only touch on the larger issue of story telling for Riot, which is that they are attempting to have a timeline (see Riot Jaredan's quote) rather than timelines. It seems to me that Riot is trying to tell a single overarching story featuring all of their characters, rather than using the narrative devices of a frame story, unreliable narrator, and incongruity, among others. In fact, I think promoting speculation and ambiguity is exactly what they need to do. Nothing (or very little) should be set-in-stone or linear. To quote Thomas Mann: "The well of history is deep - shall we not say that it is bottomless?"

What I mean to say is, everyone seems to think that a character's 'lore' means his or her story, which isn't the case. Lore is, by definition, stories. A body of knowledge, beliefs, and traditions held by a particular group about a particular subject. Our heroes don't all have to 'know' each other, or encounter every other hero in the game, or even exist all at once in the same era. To quote master story-teller G. R. R. Martin, talking about a character from his ASoI&F: "No one can even say for certain if he ever lived. He is as remote from the time of the novels as Noah and Gilgamesh are from our own time."

I think Riot needs to adopt that mindset. It's even in the name of the game - legends. Plural. That's not (or shouldn't be) a reference to the 125+ legendary heroes but the legends about each and every one of them.

Thoughts?

Lord Boltrix5/2/2016, 1:25:22 PM1 votes

I want to know when in the timeline Mordekaiser ruled Valoran with an iron fist.

VasilisGreen5/1/2016, 4:40:36 PM1 votes

It's actualy AFTER the Noxian invasion in Ionia. Yasuo was already an exile when this story took place, that's after the invasion.

Knalxz5/1/2016, 8:19:48 PM1 votes

A note to make OP is I think they had to in this lore update since they had three different nationalities all working in one story. Noxus attackers, Ionain setting and Shruiman protagonist. It'd be really hard not to bring up some kind of date to the story. Any character lack of acknowledgement of certain events like Shurima Rising would mean that it was before that time.

I guess Riot decided it was better to show progression then leave the idea open to the players who'd likely assume the story took place pre-ascension instead of post.

RogueStatus725/1/2016, 9:26:46 PM1 votes

more Aatrox

Sharjo4/30/2016, 10:55:57 PM1 votes

What you said can be countered if we consider that when Sivir got VU'd her lore kept references to her cutting ties with Noxus during the invasion, and then being brought in by Cassiopeia after that. Depending on whether that holds true in Sivir's long form lore (which I'm pretty sure it will considering how safe 2013 lore has been and that sivir's VU lore was likely made with athe future Shurima story in mind), there might be no indication as to when these events happen in a chronology.