I don't think Riot has betrayed the lore of the Vastaya with Sett's design.

Terozu·1/7/2020, 6:52:17 PM·23 votes·13,153 views

The fact is that when the Vastaya dropped as an actual race, the baseline we were given was Ahri. Following her we were given Xayah and Rakan.

The 3 of them were the race's mascots. So I don't know why people are acting like designs like Neeko or Sett are 'betrayals to the lore' for not being more monstrous. It was pretty clear from the beginning that Riot wanted Ahri style mixtures to be typical of Vastaya, and more bestial Vastaya like Rengar to be uncommon, or even rare.

Xayah Rakan MonkeyKing Neeko Ahri Nami Rengar

Of the given Vastaya, he's the only one who's that bestial in nature.

The other Vastaya have a few animalistic features.
Ahri has whiskers, ears, eyes, and tails of a fox. Xayah and Rakan have feathered ears and the lower legs of birds. Riot is even vague on whether their wings are actual wings or just cloaks they wear. Wukong is literally just furry and has a tail. Nami is scaled and tailed, with a few fins.

In contrast, Rengar is the only playable Vastaya who is as bestial as he is.

And this makes sense for his character and his environment. The vastaya, all of them, can modify their shape.

Ahri wants to fit in, so of course she'd be more human like.
Xayah and Rakan both grew up in tribes with high contact with humans and diminishing magic, so they look as human as they do because they're defaulting without their magic. Neeko has seemingly only recently adopted her current form, trying to adapt to these new people while still keeping her favorite parts.
Wukong is as bipedal as he is so he can more easily practice the Wuju style, which is designed for humans. Nami is almost entirely animalistic barring a few things humans would've found attractive.

Rengar? He was in the Kumungu jungle, which absolutely flourishes with magic, and he had next to no contact with humans while having a desire to be as fierce as possible. His form makes sense for his personality and his environment.

Sett? He grew up in a magic starved fight pit, while longing to fit in with those around him. Of course he's just gonna have ears. Conspicuous enough he can't hide them, but still mostly human. He doesn't have the magic for a more bestial form, nor the desire for one. And that all compounds on his mixed ancestry.

Yes there are more animalistic Vastaya, but they aren't the typical Vastaya. And Riot never intended them to be.

Riot has blatantly always intended Vastaya to be animalistic people, not anthropomorphic animals.

Neeko and Sett aren't betrayals. They're logical conclusions.

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WoonStruck1/7/2020, 7:12:41 PM15 votes

Wukong is a literal monkey. He's more beastial than rengar.

Monkeys being similar to humans in overall build does not mean he's not a literal monkey, which is considered a beast.

Oleandervine1/7/2020, 7:06:34 PM15 votes

Except Sett's design is literally muscle man with cat ears. Nothing else about him is "vastaya," to the point where he may as well be half cosplaying Ahri. While I don't think he necessarily betrays the concept of the Vastaya, his design is a lazy pass at forcing him into the category with little to nothing that qualifies as Vastaya. He's not even got a hairy chest for gods sake, and he's supposed to be part animal.

mrmeddyman1/7/2020, 7:42:33 PM10 votes

Is everyone forgetting that Rengar Nami MonkeyKing were designed before Vastayas' were a thing? Of course they don't mix well.

Teémò1/7/2020, 8:06:20 PM6 votes

Nunu willump has hair so he is now a vastaya. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] Also Ryze is Naruto's Grandfather. The lore's just really hard to take accurately when it's retconned like Star Wars.

WoonStruck1/7/2020, 7:15:00 PM5 votes

Also, yeah sett has nothing to do with vastaya as far as character design. He's of pretty poor make.

Hell, even his gameplay fits demacia or even zaun brawler better than vastaya. He's got literally nothing to do with animals besides his ears.

There's not a single thing about him in game that would hint at him being anything more than human outside of his tiny cat ear headband.

AnotherPurple3791/8/2020, 1:11:54 AM5 votes

I mean, sure. But even regarding that, Sett is still a massive disappointment in terms of design. He's just plain boring to look at when his design could have been pushed so much farther. Other than the ears, there is literally nothing else that shows him as a Vastayan. No claws, no teeth, no tail, no extra other fur. They didn't even give him CHEST HAIR, something that normal humans have, and that would have been a cool way to indicate more fur/hair to distinguish him from humans. All he does is retread old ground that we've already seen before (we already had the whole "topless handsome man" trope from Sylas earlier this year) and that does absolutely nothing new and unique. Sett is called a beast-man. Why couldn't they actually make him more beastial? I certainly don't see why he WOULDN'T look more animalistic according to the lore. It would be a lot better than just making him a male equivalent of Ahri. They could have done so much more.

I also don't agree that the baseline for the Vastaya was just Ahri. The Vastayan race was created to unify all the animal-like races on Runeterra we know of currently. Ahri was a baseline, but she wasn't the only one. Rengar, Wukong, and Nami all became Vastayan too, and they were baselines just like Ahri (Wukong, Nami, and Rengar also all strike me as much more animal-like than human-like). The Vastayan race isn't "animalistic people and not anthropomorphic animals." The Vastyan encompasses BOTH animalistic people and anthropomorphic animals.

Not all Vastaya can shapeshift. There's no evidence of that in any of their stories whatsoever, and I couldn't find any confirmation anywhere. The only Vastayan we have as a Champion who can shapeshift is Neeko, because she is more closely related to the Vastayashai'rei, the original shapeshifter race.

Ionia is probably the most magical place on Runeterra we know so far, especially with spirit magic, the specific magic that the Vastaya are connected to. I feel like at the very least, Ionia would match the Kumungu jungle in terms of magical potency, so the whole point about Rengar being more animalistic because of the place he lives in is void.

Madjack011/8/2020, 7:04:49 PM4 votes

It seems to me that vastayan lore is rather irrelevant in this matter.

This is rather a thing about what people prefer and how they will rationalize it. Full beast vs aesthetic human with beast elements has always pitted a passionate minority against the rest.

DemiMax1/12/2020, 3:53:08 PM2 votes

Wait, all the vastaya can freely change their shape? That takes away so much potential of accepting their true form and what not, they can just be superior to humans in every way then.

It sucks because it would be nicer for Wukong to adapt the Wuju Style of fitghting to HIS body, resulting in a specific version of Wuju. Instead of Wukong molding his body to perform Wuju style. Like, the beast can learn the ways and adapt it for himself, instead of the beast shunning who he is (knowingly or unknowingly) to do human things, losing part of itself in the process.

It just feels like such a cop-out if this is true. You see the shape fo these champions? Ahri Nami Neeko Rakan Rengar Sett Xayah MonkeyKing These might not even be their real shapes so who cares? Neeko I get, Chameleon, she's able to blend in and all that, makes sense. The others? No, i don't understand why this is a thing and why they would all be able to do that freely, it's nonsensical. As I said, THEMATICALLY Neeko should be the only one who is able to do this. If anything it makes her ability redundant.

We created all these sub series of races with so many colors, animal motifs, shapes and forms, but who cares really they can change all that at will. If this is true what is the point of the Vastaya again? Honestly hope this isn't true.

Imagine if Hobbits in LotR could shapeshift to become humans, the story would tell you they're not humans, but what's the difference? They look like humans and the fact that they are Hobbits becomes redundant. The lines and legacy about the courage of the frightfull Hobbits, that are small, homesick, fragile, unfit for battle and carry an enormous burden would be stomped to an unrecognizable shape. You could say that it, itself, shapeshifted to something else, and some would argue that the overall message would not be as impactfull.

McKuntalds1/7/2020, 10:09:21 PM2 votes

Riot has betrayed the western world the moment they sold to Beijing for a quick buck. Poppa Mao runs this show now, and he needs money ... to ... fix stuff you know . Indie game lol

Zombie Slayer1/8/2020, 3:24:24 AM2 votes

If you got the idea for this post from mine I wasn't saying he betrayed the lore by looking the way he does its just that he doesn't reflect it. Ok so you have a child with a Noxian when you're a Vastaya but you look like a normal girl with ears and purple mixed with white hair, then you show your son to the tribe and he looks like a normal kid just with red hair and ears, so you get kicked out despite your tribe not looking different from you or your kid.

Thats what I mean. When you have a character whose whole idea of being shunned but he looks exactly like the people he was shunned by it feels lazy and like the designers of Sett and his tribe just didn't care. I have no problem with Sett being human with animal ears except that its boring.

StormBladeMaster1/8/2020, 7:37:23 PM1 votes

What bother me the most in his design is the fact that he don't have an Hairy chest... I mean if he is inspired from Wolverines why he isn't more "bestial" ?

  • you can be sexy with an hairy chest, just look Hugh Jackman...

No, Sett design is a dissapointement because he looks too much common... He has nothing to stand out. Yes big muscles, clean chest and abds... And his clothes look like he took them from Xaya. His back look like Xaya feathers... I feel like there are no inspirations on his apparence... He is ultra sexualized and ultra common.

I don't have a problem with being "sexualized" and honestly i like it but why make him "common" and look like every others champs?

Ahri is sexualized because in her lore, she wants to become more human and because she is a "lust demon" like Evelyn but she is fighting to not be a "lusty demon" like Evelyn.

Xaya isn't sexualized... I mean she looks human but she has bird feet. She isn't half naked...

Rakan is sexualized yeah but he still look like a Vastaya and he is unique.

Vlada Cut1/9/2020, 12:42:34 AM1 votes

No because Sett is pretty hates Vastaya's, in fact he's such a racist towards Xayah and Rakan while the only Vastaya he actually shows respect to is his mother.

She is the only reason why he hasn't killed all the Vastaya's that had crossed him yet.

Tegash1/9/2020, 11:59:27 AM1 votes

I'd also like to emphasize that Sett is only half Vastaya, and as a hybrid would contain traits of both parents. A lot of the detractors seem to forget that detail.

Caretaker Jack1/11/2020, 10:37:55 PM1 votes

The mistake here is making the vastaya discriminatory... Now they have to explain why as he doesnt look much different than the previous vastaya

Jaspers1/8/2020, 12:49:23 PM1 votes

The whole shapeshifting at will thing for Vastayan's is weird to me. If I were Riot I'd remove that (no doubt twitter lore) from the record. Nami can change her appearance at will? Then why has she not shapeshifted her tail to be legs and walk everywhere? Be less jarring for human populace to observe? Why does Sett not add a bit more fur to himself to appear more Vastayan and therefore not get kicked out?

Origins on the species, the shapeshifters being able to do it is fine but later generations? No, get rid of that side of things. (also so it removes the stupid questions revolving around... you know :wink wink: ).