Approaching the retcon's second anniversary: do people still care?

KING OF MASKS·8/13/2016, 6:40:49 PM·9 votes·2,066 views

That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Just a couple more weeks and we'll be into the third year of the great summoner retcon. http://i.imgur.com/SFEh4eu.png On September 4th, 2014, Riot created a massive void and has been struggling to fill it ever since. Credit where credit is due, though: there have been lore releases over the past two years, some of which have been pretty cool. Nobody can say it's been a complete drought. Unfortunately I've only been skimming recent lore/story content over the past few months, since from a storytelling standpoint Legend League is dead to me. Simply put, Runeterra is not even close to becoming a well-realized setting, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Obviously I personally think they've failed to fill that void. item 3512

This thread isn't about the successes or failures of League's narrative, though. Instead, I'm genuinely curious how these past couple years have affected others in the community. So here's a poll to gauge the level of engagement with League's lore/story content.

Is League dying? Does hope spring eternal? Do people still care?

Please do elaborate on your opinion(s) with a comment or two, and have a good day.

45 Comments

Sharjo8/13/2016, 7:20:39 PM8 votes

Personally, I do, though my perspective's a little different than others on this subject I feel. I was introduced to League's lore with Nami, as she was the first character who I fell in love with due to every aspect of her from right out of the gate. She shares a spot with Nautilus as my favourite champion but I didn't care much for his lore until after Nami brought me in, and the lore Nami brought me in to didn't reference an institute, a league, or summoners.

Since then I came to like the lore that came and had no reference to summoner's and the league, and when the people cried out about what the institute would be doing bringing in Aatrox, or what were they doing about the Freljord, I wasn't really concerned because that part of the lore was, and I'll stress this: the least important part to me. As I came to learn more about the lores of champions what they did as a part of the League held no value to me, as I cared about the characters and the world, not that one thing that bound it all together. That sounds really odd but I come from playing a lot of World of Warcraft, and that doesn't have a completely unifying element beyond the current Legion invasion. There's parts of the world that exist that don't give a toss when the Lich King's roaming around or Deathwing's ruining Stormwind. Everything exists within its own means and that's fine to me; it feels more organic and natural that way.

I never dreamed that they'd do away with the League from the canon. Not in a million years. But For me, while it was a shock, I inevitably didn't give a toss. It never mattered to me, because the part of the lore I cared about worked without it. What I had been introduced to and what I loved in Runeterra all worked even with the Institute gone, and even though the lore that came following it was small, I could see that the lore was important. Even when people looked at those short paragraphs and said "lore's dead" I looked at the videos and promos and said "well no, it's not, or else this shit wouldn't get made." My enthusiasm hasn't died down and seeing Burning Tides come to fruition almost felt vindicating in a way, as Riot proved they can move a sodding story forward in the post League world, and their new direction with bios was, and still is, awesome. I feel like the lore's becoming more expansive and more engaging to me than ever before. When the League was a thing ancient history was barely a footnote in the lore, inscribed with the words "lol we dunno, rune wars and shit" until Brand, Skarner and Xerath appeared to show what came in those times before everything went to hell, and now I can make an entire boards post about what the timeline of League universe might look like because there's way more to go on.

That was a lot of rambling so I'll summarise this concisely and wrap it up:

  • I was introduced to the lore with Nami and none of the lore I came to get invested in back then made reference to the League.
  • The League and Institute were the least important part of the lore to me, so I never gave a toss when they were booted from the canon.
  • The lore only seems to be improving in quality and detail, and that's something I'm excited about.
  • I'm a patient sod so I'm still invested even after four years of delving in to the lore.
  • I do care and likely will continue too, as I'm liking where the lore's going.

Also as a final note, the process of getting there is, and has always been enough for me to accept that things will come eventually. I know that's not acceptable for everyone, and really in the case of League's lore it shouldn't be, considering how much has changed and will continue too, but I'm just that patient.

Wow this got to be a very long post. Sorry for the ramblings, hopefully this made some sort of sense to somebody.

EDIT: As an extra note it helped me personally that we went in to the realm of myths and mysterious entities almost immediately after the reboot. That's some of the most intriguing stuff a fantasy genre can give me personally.

BatchBustsMeta8/13/2016, 6:58:53 PM8 votes

I've been here since season 1, and lore now is miles better than it was. IMO.

OurLestrade8/13/2016, 6:58:06 PM7 votes

For the most part I'm still not a fan of the lore rework and the direction it's taken. It's just a generic fantasy setting now with nothing in particular setting it apart, and it's trying really hard to be mature with all the constant death and junk. The original lore wasn't the best, but the concept of the League on its own was enough to give it a unique spin.

It's a shame because the writing itself has improved. It's just that the stories themselves aren't particularly grabbing.

redfeenix8/13/2016, 8:03:58 PM3 votes

Meh I wanna see webcomics or animated shorts like overwatch. Blizzard art and narrative is really god tier.

Vistha Kai8/13/2016, 7:28:24 PM3 votes

The retcon began in late 2011, when Shyvana didn't receive Judgement, with Varus in 2012 being the last champion to ever get a Judgement and the discontinuation of the Journal of Justice.

So it's over 4 years now.

As for the lore itself... up until the Retcon, I knew lore surrounding nearly every champion by heart (except for some Judgements I never had time or remembrance to get to).

Now? I stopped carying about the lore around Ekko release. What's the point, if literally any champion can be flipped upside down at any moment? Like Diana.

D3m37r18/15/2016, 3:09:53 AM2 votes

I miss when the League of Legends was still an actual thing. I don't mind riot changing alot of champion lore but i feel like they should bring back the league. As it is right now we just have a bunch of people fighting for no real reason.

Lithium Rosa8/13/2016, 7:06:26 PM2 votes

I used to be a huge fan of league lore, until they decide to rewrite it over and over.

GreenLore8/14/2016, 10:09:41 AM2 votes

While I am still disappointed about how they still haven't finished the retcon,I still care about the lore and I actually do like it more than the old one(though it is by no means perfect)

LordHippoman8/14/2016, 7:46:52 PM2 votes

So, perspective for me, I started League in S1, at around Karma's release. I got into Lore early S2, and was pretty active on the old boards and stuff, though I certainly wasn't a big member of the "community" or anything like that.

I think it's a double sided issue. For one, I do miss the League, and the storytelling opportunities that presented. The champions knowing eachother adds a lot more potential plotlines. Something like Shen and Nidalee meeting is pretty impossible in the new setting. The League itself was also an interesting plot device, and relying on a group of super powerful mages to maintain world peace, when most of them are shady at best, presents an interesting sort of tension. Also the JoJ was great. It provided both a good way to constantly update players on things going on in Runeterra (at least once a month or so), and contained some fun stuff, like fluff stories or the hidden messages in LeBlanc's fanmail.

But the League did have problems. For one, the summoners really were a bit OP. Kalamanda is the perfect example of "oh shit the League isn't working", Demacia and Noxus are clashing, a whole town could be caught in the crossfire, and then the summoners ride up and just time bubble the whole thing. Admittedly, I'd have taken nerfing the summoners over removing them entirely, but again, complex issue. It also kind of has the issue of, with the Lore and Game being linked, which was a cool concept, prevented any very drastic changes to champions without significant visual/VO updates in game. I'd use Gangplank as an example, but he did get those things, so I'll swap to MF. In Lore now, we can see she's very vengeful and dark now, shedding the whole seductress disguise, but in game she's the same. They can afford to take more risks with the new format.

The other thing that I like about Lore right now, although it's not really linked to the retcon, is just how GOOD the pieces are. If you'd shown 2012 Season 3 or whatever LordHippoman Burning Tides, I wouldn't believe it. It's really good stuff, whereas before the story was entirely JoJ and champ bios/Judgements, which both have very limiting formats. The bio/Judgement has to focus on one champion. The JoJ has a forced perspective of "Runeterran Media". Also, plots are being progressed and resolved. Graves and TF made up. Sivir learned about her destiny. That almost never used to happen, with the exception of the Ionian occupation.

And I have to give credit to the Narrative staff for being civil through what was a very rough period. There was a hell of a lot of backlash, some of it rather unwarranted (I'm sure a lot of people don't need reminders, and most people weren't responsible for that, but it can't really be ignored when talking about this whole mess), but Jaredan has been a very active and helpful Narrative head. The Ask.FM, the frequent posts, it's great. The last time I remember this kind of interaction was S1, back when Shurelia used to run RPs and such. There was this very dry spell from like, seasons 3-5, and I think Jaredan's doing a good job of being available to answer questions and such, while people like Bio are also common posters, to help break that dry spell.

So, as someone who spent years with the League, I miss it. I wish it was in the new Lore. But I certainly can't say the writing has plummeted or anything, in fact, the new stories feel a lot more engaging. I would love to have the best of both worlds, but I can't, so I'll happily settle for what we've got, as I really do still think League lore is headed in a good direction.

TL;DR: i miss the league but the new stuff is real good too

ModWulf Helhammer8/13/2016, 6:50:52 PM2 votes

I'm sorry, but if you aren't actually going over all that they've released this far, you don't have much of a criticism. You can't say "they don't care about lore" when so far we have had more updates for every new champion and rework, updates for all the Targon champions, updates for all the shuriman champions (minus Cass, but she's more Noxian), updates for all the Bilgewater champions, updates for most of the Shadow Isles, Shen lore, and 3 long form stories. That's an insane amount of content.

VivaLaKitten8/13/2016, 8:40:24 PM2 votes

MORE LORE UPDATES PLS

Chromatic Eagle8/13/2016, 9:40:47 PM2 votes

It's hard to make a judgment on it since they're STILL trying to rebuild the world. There have been some odd retcons, some potentially odd retcons, and even some good ones.

I can't be invested too much into it since some of the things I've liked in the old lore, can be retconned into something completely different.

Ralanr8/13/2016, 11:53:07 PM2 votes

It wasn't particularly strong when I joined league (it was after the joj was stopped) so I have nothing to really invest myself in from the previous lore.

I like the lore of the game and I like to ponder on where it is going.

SlyTactician 8/14/2016, 1:37:21 AM2 votes

I love the deeper lores that they've been putting out; however, I feel that they're releasing the lores much too slow at this point of time.

Riot should have had a lore for many of the older champs ready before calling it quits on the old lore. It's already been 2 years, and I would say that the lore department did let down a lot of fans who would have loved to read on more about their favourite champs by making them wait for this long.

I'm not saying that Riot's newer lore entries are bad - they're fantastic actually. I loved the new Shuriman lores, the Bilgewater event and the Poppy/Taric comic - though right now the pacing is just way too prolonged. People still don't know what's going on with the yordles and even Kled's Q & A appears to have been abandoned after so many people questioned what the yordles were and the lack of messages other than the "yordle lore coming soon tm" response was the only response given.

Right now we hardly know what's going on in Runeterra. We're given promises like a map and more stories - but where are they? How much longer must we wait? It doesn't have to be perfect - but rather at least assure us that there is a lore that ties all the stories together and so on.

The Soulforged8/14/2016, 4:13:48 AM2 votes

I'm reading some of the lores, but I don't feel too much motivation around the time of the Taliyah stuff.

Warlord Dienekes8/14/2016, 6:25:03 AM2 votes

I used to care but the Targon update kind of broke me. Since then each new lore they bring up I either ignore or give up partway through.

Which isn't to say the new lore is better or worse than the old. On the whole I think as stories it's improved, but a lot of the changes to the stuff I did like seem strange, poorly thought out, and in some ways missing the point of the characters I used to like.

But yeah pre-update was a silly mess post update is less of a mess but some of the changes to get there I dislike.

Ebonmaw Dragon8/13/2016, 6:51:17 PM1 votes

What do you mean by "Legend League"?

KING OF MASKS8/13/2016, 6:51:03 PM1 votes

As a sidenote, I was inspired to make this post by a somewhat surprising source: Uncle Dane (the Engi Main) released a video the other day detailing his thoughts on Valve's handling of TF2. A lot of what he said reminded me of Riot, in particular what he had to say on the matter of communication between developer and player. Personally, that issue has had a lot to do with my lack of faith in League's narrative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEj81b3kH30#t=5m16s It's a relatively long video, but the relevant bit is 5:16-7:32. He sums up his point later in the video more succinctly: "Valve [Riot] doesn't communicate because they're afraid of making us upset with unkept promises, but as a result they make us even more upset because they don't communicate."

Fasmodey8/15/2016, 1:28:56 AM1 votes

I'm beyond glad with Riot's stories, but they're going slow tbh. We will probably wait for another 2 years for next story of Shurima.

I'm not glad with only expection of Skaarl and her unkillable statue.