The Hollowness of the Retribution Arc: The plotholes & dead-ends.

Furor Nexis·12/3/2017, 4:38:50 PM·22 votes·1,652 views

Figured I'd throw in my thoughts about this as well. I haven't spoken much about the Varus lore update, and I think I've finally managed to put it into words on how I feel on the matter. As a Varus main myself I've been quite silent on the new lore. I've been letting it wash over me as I go through it, building it in my head and taking it apart over and over. In relation, and as a follow up to the post made by CaptainMarvelous, I also feel that the new lore of Varus was propped up, only to fail and blunder, completely missing it's mark.

On the outside perspective, the new lore looks solid, polished even. That's fine. You've got conflict & resolution, character development, the works. A continuous struggle of people trying to fight off an evil and return to a happy and good life to make up for their mistakes. It appeals to everyone and has a solid beginning, middle & end. Hell we even have something Riot has never done before; introducing characters that are homosexual. It feels like the ultimate improvement and addition to the lore.

However once you take a closer work, the flaws and plot holes kinda reveal themselves.

Let's start with Valmar. As a native to Pallas, wouldn't he, above all people be aware of what was sealed inside the temple? His mother is well aware, considering their confrontation in the second comic. Hell, considering he's familiar with the traditions of the offering to the temple of Pallas, there is no denying that the ancient magic that was sealing Varus could ever be considered as something benevolent. He even had a nightmare where Varus spoke to him in his dreams. Wouldn't he have recognized the pit of Pallas, or even the architecture of the temple? On what grounds would he think that the magic of Pallas would save Kai? I've even tried to put myself in his shoes, desperate to save Kai. Of all people, why would a Pallas native ignore the teachings about the foul monstrosity that was sealed in the temple? Surely the people of Pallas would pass down writings and teachings about the monster that lay in the very heart of their home. This is infact enhanced by a paragraph within Varus' new biography.

>At the end of the Darkin War, the queen carried Varus’s bow to a land that would become known as Ionia. Her last act was to imprison the bow deep within a lightless cell sunk deep beneath a mountain temple overlooking the village of Pallas. There it remained, imprisoned by the natural magic of Ionia and the ritual ministrations of its guardians.

While the next paragraph iterates tthat Varus was forgotten about over the centuries, there's no way that the people of Pallas would have forgotten. Valmar's own mother seems to have been selected as such a guardian to oversee the imprisonment of Varus, considering she is aware of the Darkin Beast. There is no plausible way that her own son wouldn't be aware of his mother's duty, and thus he SHOULD be well aware of the threat that lurks in the bottom of the pit of Pallas.

It makes absolutely zero sense. A better change would be for Kai to have died, and Valmar in his fury releasing Varus instead, only to be overwhelmed and consumed by him, and watching through Varus' eyes as he slaughtered everything that he loved; his home, his family. Valmar would be powerless to do anything about it as Varus slowly squashes out his will until there's nothing left, and the Darkin would be the last one left standing. That alone would have made it far more engaging, and even more tragic story. While it does resemble the old Varus lore a little bit in it's nature, it feels to me that it would have been far more tragic. We know Valmar would fail, and we know that he can't do anything about it, only to watch in despair as he loses absolutely EVERYTHING because of his foolish mistake. His one takeaway is that he would join Kai, and his mother and the rest of his loved ones in death, and that would be the only solace he receives; a terrible, tragic end.

Now let's say that what I stated above didn't happen. Let's continue with Kai & Val still being trapped with Varus. At what point will they ever be free of the Darkin? Varus already knows how to gain total domination over them. He's just biding his time until his own will power is capable of overcoming their combined will. He already has dominance over their shared body. He knows how to break them down even further. Kai is demoralized through Varus relentlessly slaughtering the innocent. Valmar can be manipulated into serving Varus' goal if Noxians are involved again. One way or another, they will eventually falter and disappear. They are barely hanging on enough as it is, since it requires the TWO of them together to combat Varus' will to dominate the body, and even then it's only for a short amount of time. There will come an eventuality where their wills shall falter, and only Varus will remain. They will whittle out and cease to exist, and then Varus would be free to enact his retribution wildly and without care.

Now, if we compare both the old and new lore of Varus side-by-side, how does it sound to you?

A) Varus loses everything due to his duty, knowingly makes a pact with the very thing that cost him his life & family, something that will corrode him to nothingness over time as long as he's allowed to reign destruction over those he deems as guilty.

B) Valmar tries to save the the biggest thing that is dear to him only to be trapped in a cycle of dominance with Kai, the man he loves and the Darkin Varus that he released. He is ostracized from everything else in the world including his mother & family, only to eventually falter and fail with Kai one as Varus consumes both him & his loved one.

While they are both tragic, in the same sense they are also linear in nature. One of the biggest reason Riot changed Varus' original lore was because his original storyline WAS linear! However, in changing the lore, they failed to remove the linear movement of the story. Kai & Valmar will eventually fail. Varus will walk free.

I was looking forward to the new lore, even if I was angry at the drastic change of it initially. I truly believed Riot could do Varus well. However this new lore feels more hollow and tone-deaf than the original. It is a tragedy only at the surface level, with it's flaws showing up when you start looking below that surface level and REALLY looking at it.

Riot managed to turn one perceived dead-end into another. They are both left at a linear end. The only upside is that Varus, as a Darkin, has a new path and goal; searching for and reuniting the remaining four Darkin. That is the only open-ended trail that exists after everything else. And the story is in favor of Varus, not Kai & Valmar.

39 Comments

MysterQ12/3/2017, 5:07:53 PM13 votes

So one argument on the old lore is that Vatus has no room to grow. It seems people dont want that tragic end. At the same time. They could easily alter the original end to open his story. But even so, people have to realize Valmar and Kai play very little purpose right now. I would say the story of Varus is equally as closed right now.

Cetri12/3/2017, 6:49:54 PM5 votes

Who says the people of Pallas know exactly what's in the temple? If everyone knew that a darkin weapon was located there, then Pallas would have even more of a target on its back. The priesthood may well be the only ones with full knowledge of Varus, and everyone else just knows that there's something in the temple, and that it's a place of strong magic. This is, of course, not even getting into the fact that one might not be too keen on telling their children that they are in charge of guarding an eldritch abomination from another world. That's the sort of thing that tends to be a little distressing to hear.

Actually, skimming through the comic again... I'm not seeing anything especially telling that Val's mother knew everything from the get-go, either. She only talks about Varus after he is unleashed, a time where it would not be beyond belief that she was informed of what happened by the priests or she simply put 2 and 2 together.

Also, desperation doesn't mean one acts rationally. No one can say Tahm Kench isn't fishy as hell, but he gets deals made nevertheless. The Shadow Isles wouldn't have happened if the Ruined King hadn't lost the one he loved above all else and did something foolish to try and get her back. People do stupid stuff when they're desperate.

As for your proposed change... and then what? Where is the room for growth? Varus would be just another engine of destruction, Val's arc would essentially be over, and we get another fridged lover/family.

You think Varus will dominate them. You think he knows what he can and cannot do, that he can whittle and break them down. But the story proves that they are able to persist and resist, and defy Varus's expectations. In addition, Val and Kai have the opportunity to influence Varus's beliefs and actions just as much as he can influence them, if not more so. Varus has two driving motivations, finding the rest of his kind and getting vengeance, but it's possible for Val and Kai to engage with him and perhaps make him realize he and humanity aren't so different, whereas in your proposed change he's just another rampaging murderbeast.

Sure, it's possible Val and Kai will fade, but definitely not without leaving a huge mark on their darkin friend.

The Deckowner12/3/2017, 11:14:38 PM4 votes

Honestly using "love" as a cheap plot device makes the story feel very forced and unreal. The writer(s) did not do anything to develop guy1 and guy2's relationship, it's just told to us basically that they love each other. And then any idiotic and illogical plot that happens just gets brute forced using their love as an excuse.

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOO12/3/2017, 4:42:34 PM4 votes

Valmar went into the pit on a desperate act of love with unknown risks. These aren’t the types of things that tend to make the most sense.

resumed12/3/2017, 6:15:15 PM4 votes

a lot of what you dont think makes sense can be explained in very simple ways, and i dont feel a lot of them need to be explained.

you know whats a simply awful suggestion, though?

that kai dies. im tired of seeing dead gay characters. we have too many of them. writers shamelessly killing off their gay characters was literally a meme at one point

this is a huge problem with people who suggest a way to "fix it" by.. killing a gay character. lets not add to the hypothetical pile of bodies belonging to gay characters, thanks

Weiss Guertena12/3/2017, 6:52:42 PM3 votes

IMO the best way to go with Varus is fusing new and old: scrap one of the hunters and replace him with Varus' son. This would satisfy everyone: old fans would still have Varus they know and love, and he'd still fit the new lore perfectly.

Yes, SJWs are going to complain about their token gay character not making the final cut. But you know what, Riot? Man up and tell them to go suck a dick. This is your IP, and you can do whatever the hell you please with it, no matter how many whiny internet white knights you trigger with it.

333lom12/3/2017, 8:31:00 PM3 votes

Hey I just wanted to give one very interesting detail here, and it's related to old Varus's Judgment:

"Much surprised him about his new role. The old prayers he'd said every day since he was a boy, it seemed, were missing a few grave syllables; the Elders had been holding out."

In the old lore, only the Elders and (those who worked at the temple) knew the exact characteristics of the Pit of Pallas. So that's perhaps one new lore's attempt to justify why those two guys in the new lore didn't know about it earlier (this however undoubtedly cannot justify them not understanding that what everyone tells them is evil, is evil).

But only after this did I realize that there wasn't actually any accidental mistake in which the Narrative and Worldbuilding teams omitted parts of the old Varus we consider crucial - it was done on purpose. They wanted to rewrite the story and throw out those elements. This is evident by how they kept this minuscule detail, which everyone is supposed to assume automatically. It's insane to think they managed to keep this detail, but accidentally forgot how Varus chose duty over family or how he regretted it and willingly gave himself to corruption, understanding perfectly what would happen to him. By the way, this detail hasn't even been made clear in the new lore when it should have, and it cannot cover the fact that they should have learned of the evil nature of the pit in other ways. How can someone get an idea that an evil thing that's dangerous can ever do you any good, is beyond me.

GreenLore12/4/2017, 12:35:52 PM2 votes

I disagree about the new lore being linear as well. We don't know how Varus will get rid of them,maybe he finds a way to extract Valmar and Kai from himself in some way,maybe they'll just cease to exist,but either way that doesn't mean that they won't have a lasting impact on Varus.

I could actually see Varus going through character development thanks to his constant exposure by Valmar and Kai,resulting in him becoming less of an evil monster(not saying he'd turn good,but maybe into a noble demon),which could cause some interesting interaction between him and the other darkins.

Stars Shaper12/3/2017, 10:35:59 PM2 votes

The fact that Val and Kai didn't experience a real and final loss is the exact reason for why this Lore has utterly failed in terms of showing a tragedy and I can't find a reason for it (except the probable complains of having the first open homosexual character(s) die). And you explained it really well.

The bitter end for us as a community is that no matter how badly received it is, it's not going to change even after Riot themselves telling us that it would change if this would happen. I can't see them throwing away the resources spent for all the different narrative media like this.

Chromatic Eagle12/4/2017, 8:40:11 PM1 votes

They don’t want Varus to be a tragic character (doomed is more accurate). They want a struggle between the lovers and Darkin. I don’t know how far Riot will change Aatrox, but I think the central plot is for the Darkin to fight for control over their hosts.

DeadUnborn12/3/2017, 6:17:57 PM1 votes

why didn't you post it on Caption Meloundosdodisod post as well? I am not arguing for or against your post, but you moderators always give us crap for being reiterative and rehash posts over and over again. Then you do the exact same thing yourself. This post could have very well been written on one of the other dozen threads on the subject, yet you wrote a separate post just to get more visibility on it.

Double standards at their finest

Marbelara12/3/2017, 8:53:55 PM1 votes

I, for one, welcome our impeding darkin overlord.

Kaladin Davar12/4/2017, 4:18:47 AM1 votes

Downvoted without reading the thread because it is my right to do so, commenting because im tired of reading varus lore threads.

HalfTangible12/4/2017, 8:29:08 PM1 votes

I've got a few huge problems with Varus' new lore, including but not limited to:

-Varus' family is now alive, well and waiting for Valmar/Kai to come home. I absolutely cannot stand this. Varus' family had been murdered because he chose duty over them, and he was seeking vengeance for their death. There was no turning back for him.

-Valmar and Kai are not done in by their own choices (probably the most interesting thing about Varus' old lore) but rather by bad luck and circumstances. The Noxians just happened to invade again now, which killed one of them (I honestly can't tell which is Valmar and which is Kai) and the other dragged him into the temple. That's not compelling, it's just desperation. In the original lore, Varus (basically) understood that taking up the Pallas power would corrupt him, and he didn't care because it would still allow him to get his vengeance. Interesting stuff.

Some things I like, for balance:

-Varus' story established how darkin take over their hosts. Kayn's ability to keep Rhaast from taking him over always struck me as odd, given that Rhaast is a demon-blade and Kayn is just some assassin guy who probably doesn't have any training in mental defense. But Varus' storyline hints that how/what the host body thinks and feels is just as important to the Darkin's influence as anything else. Kayn and Rhaast both love to fight, but Kayn is pickier about when and where he attacks the enemy. There's only so deep Rhaast can get his claws when his target ALREADY WANTS to fight and kill. (Kayn wants to be a scalpel, Rhaast wants to be Dexter)

-What might have been really interesting is if what weakened Kai strengthened Valmar or vice-versa - that way Varus was essentially doing a juggling act of empowering himself while weakening the two trying to beat him. It would leave the possibility open of Valmar and Kai recovering enough of their strength to win against him together, or of needing to sacrifice one of them in order to throw out Varus.

-It's a small thing but I also like that what got Varus to stop was his next victim being a Noxian artist, of all things.

Hell we even have something Riot has never done before; introducing characters that are homosexual.

Oh yeah, they've NEVER done THAT before. Not even a single time Let alone set up TWO lesbians(1) in the same story. glances at Progress Day

Can we please stop pretending that every introduction of a gay character is some revolutionary new thing that's never been done before?

(1 - possibly bisexuals, but then we could say the same about Valmar and Kai from what little we know of them)