I don't hate Yasuo and Riven players for getting nice skins

THE RlVER KlNG·5/31/2017, 9:57:23 PM·101 votes·6,057 views

In fact, I am very happy for them!

I also don't hate Riot for doing what businesses do best: appealing to their customers by giving them great products that will also turn a profit.

However, I do just want to share some frustration I have. I do not play Yasuo or Riven, nor do I play Ahri, Jinx, Annie, Lee Sin, etc., and so I don't get to enjoy all the amazing skins they have and the regularity with which they receive them. My League appetite largely consists of Tahm Kench, Illaoi, Vel'Koz, and some Galio and Warwick here and there, and I'm glad I own cool skins for each of those champions to use.

Let's repeat myself early on so no one gets any misconceptions. I don't have anything against people who play these champions that get a lot of skins, and often a lot of nice skins, 975s and 1350s and 1820s and usually with a lot of flashy effects, cool themes, and new VOs. What I do find fault in is that even when a relatively unpopular champion gets a skin after years of not receiving them, it's still often less quality than a lot of skins made for popular ones. Zyra comes to mind. It was a long, long time since Zyra had gotten a skin, before Dragon Sorceress. Which is a cool skin, undoubtedly. But also one that lacked a VO on a skin that completely changes her as a character thematically and narratively. Today I learned that the new Yasuo skin, which despite being very cool is still also admittedly rather generic and predictable for Yasuo, has a full new VO and everything. Which I found strange.

Another phrase I see tossed around on this topic is that Riot working on one skin does not necessarily 'take one away' from another champion. Riot has said this too multiple times. So if Ahri is going to get another skin soon, that apparently doesn't stop Yorick from getting one, or whatever. This has always confused me. Riot does not have infinite resources. They do not have infinite artists and animators with infinite hours, infinite pay, and infinite computers and tablets. If they decide to invest resources into two champions, say, Riven and Yasuo, that already have many nice skins, then they are consciously diverting a portion of their skins workforce to work on that project instead of working on skins for champions that so desperately need it. Until I see a Yorick, Heimerdinger, Illaoi, Cassiopeia, Swain, Viktor, etc. skin, I can't be sure that they currently 'have one in the works', despite whatever they've promised in the dev blog. And it also makes me sad to see Riot continuing to choose to make skins for the same group/type of champion and ignore those who haven't gotten one in half a decade in the name of profit when they are already a multi-billion dollar company. Yes, it makes them money, yes, it's just good business, but it also sends a message to several champion communities that are just as dedicated (if not more): We don't care. If Riot sincerely does care, then they should step up their game.

This is more of a personal gripe, but let's take it back to DS Zyra. Even when a middling/unpopular champion finally gets a skin, it's not all that spectacular. A quote still sticks with me to this day, a Nocturne main once said on the boards once that Cursed Revenant Nocturne was nice and all, but not worth the 4 year wait, and that he dreads another 4 years before Noc gets another 750. I've heard similar sentiments from Karthus, Volibear, Malphite, Singed, and other like champions. From personal experience, I like URF Kench and Vel fine, but they certainly aren't the best of what Riot can do for those champions and I eagerly await a skin or two of higher caliber. And it's just a tad bit irksome to see someone like Jinx that whenever she gets a skin all the stops are pulled and you get something expensive, flashy, and lovingly crafted. Or Kha'Zix, that got two very good skins within a single year, or how Taric and Fiora are allowed to get skins right after their VGU but Yorick can't, or how Illaoi still hasn't gotten a skin despite Jhin breaking release order to get his. Riot, I hope you know you could have very well given Illaoi a Blood Moon skin and made her fans very happy, but you caved and gave it to the newer, flashier champion. There is a lot of double standard too when the Boards talk about why popular champions should get a skin vs why an unpopular champion shouldn't. And even if Yorick gets a really nice skin, or Swain, or Cass, how is that supposed to make up for all the years Riot has just blatantly ignored them on full radio silence? How can Riot face the players of those champions after having ignored them for years? This makes me sad.

This was just a collection of some random thoughts I had when I saw Yasuo and Riven were going to get these two very nice skins. If you main a popular champion who gets skins, please realise this is not a post trying to attack you or your champion and I don't understand where you'd get that notion, but it has happened to me before when I've tried to point things like this out. Please try to put yourself in my shoes. It's easy to main someone like Ahri and say 'oh, it's a super requested skin and Riot would be dumb not to capitalize on it' when she once got 3 skins in 18 months, whereas Yorick hasn't gotten 1 skin in like 6 years. Please show some empathy and consider it from players' like me point of view.

I understand that Riot is company whose primary concern is to make money, this has been said numerous times, but it really does feel like 9 times out of 10 they cop out of giving skins to less popular champions and immediately cave to bigger communities just because it makes them more money (you can apply this to reworks too). Promises are always empty until delivered upon and Riot's history of skins (or lack thereof) for certain champions is definitely very sketchy at times. If you're a Rioter and reading this, especially one who makes skins, keep up the good work, but please think about the little guy from time to time.

140 Comments

Valor Bot5/31/2017, 11:23:01 PM41 votes

I think what really rustles my jimmies is when Riot says that they have yet to find a cool thematic for an unpopular champion. I mean, how is it that they are able to come up with cool and interesting 1820 RP-worthy themes for the more popular ones, but not those who too have a slew of awesome fan-made skin concepts behind them, as well as a dedicated playerbase?

Catastrop6/1/2017, 12:16:02 AM27 votes

I really think Riot should really look into redoing some skins entirely. Like there are lots of gems that were made in a time when it was really the best they could do, however if they were modern skins they'd be absolutely amazing.

Take Siren Cassiopeia for example, this is a skin that if it were made in this day and age would have surely had some amazing aquatic effects and maybe even an alluring song like VO to fit the siren theme. However since it was made way back when in the dark ages of League, it's nothing more than a remodel. And there are a lot of skins with wasted potential like this, and it's sad that the only way they'd ever get any touch ups is if Riot decided to do a VGU for the champion. That alone automatically means a vast majority of these skins will never see any work done on them because they're on champions who are in no need of a VGU. I realize that if they chose to do this it might cause issues with pricing and such, but knowing Riot I'm sure they could find a way around it.

Mira Arya Enthe6/1/2017, 1:57:40 AM17 votes

Ah a respectable and well thought out complaint. Have an upvote friend. I agree, I wish some of the older or less played champions would not only get skins, but that they would put full effort into making the worth buying.

Only Play Darius6/1/2017, 2:06:48 AM14 votes

At least you won't be waiting eagerly for a skin only to have it end up being unattainable Darius

6Sfool5/31/2017, 11:51:34 PM10 votes

I'm getting more and more fed up with the way they've been giving out skins lately. But what worries me more than not getting skins is WHAT skins I'm going to see. I heard that Arcade Yorick was denied (thank god), but what terrible skin will they actually release, making me wait even longer? I don't even understand the need for some champs to have so many great skins. Yas already has 3 great skins and is getting a 4th, but Illaoi has no good skins at all, and Yorick has a couple mediocre ones. On every champ I play, all I need is 1 good skin. I buy that and I'm happy, but I'm using the base skins on some of my favorite champions because their other ones just suck.

Awoof6/1/2017, 6:05:36 AM6 votes

Oh man, don't remind me of Swain. Years of waiting with a promised skin in mind, and then they go "Oh you know what, we decided he needs a VGU, not a top priority though, so wait the one or other year more." Edit: Oh, and meanwhile they still do Tryndamere skins, cause he is fine, you know.

Weathered6/1/2017, 3:28:40 AM5 votes

Not going to lie, was very surprised at Dark Star Kha'Zix. I main the champion, love him to death, but he had just gotten Death Blossom (love the skin) and the Dark Star skin seemed unnecessary.

Joseraph6/2/2017, 3:00:48 AM4 votes

Most of the popular champions have designs that are much easier to make skins though.

Yasuo is "a guy with a sword" and his skins make him "A western/robot/edgy guy with a sword (Wait, Yasuo only has four skins? I thought he'd have like, seventeen and a half) Riven is "A girl with a sword that does fighting game stuff", and her skins make her "A girl with better sword", or "A girl with a bunny suit.~~ Did we mention she's a girl?~~" I think you see my point.

Thing is, this doesnt just apply to popular champions, it happens to most of the champions with simple concepts, such as; Alistar the cow guy, Tryndamere the Big Sword Guy, insert any Yordle that isn't Kled here the small cute thing, Garen the big guy with a big sword, Darius the big axe guy, Olaf the Viking guy, Pantheon the Sparta guy etc.

TLDR; Slapping a McCree hat on Illaoi, Cassio, and Yorick just doesn't work as well as the others. Still not an excuse to half ass cool concepts on original characters though.

D2Vincent6/1/2017, 1:40:23 AM4 votes

If Riot is giving the excuse of not having good thematics for certain champs, they should look at all the skin concepts people make for champs! Its how we got void fizz and other skins.

I plan on pushing my Full Metal Karthus concept to riot, and for the sake of continuity, ppl have suggested stuff like Elderwood, Pool Party, and Frozen based concepts for Karthus for a while now. Just saying, if riot "has no good" thematics for skins, ask the people what they want!

Mogarl6/1/2017, 6:19:48 AM4 votes

I don't get why they have such a limit on skins produced. Skins are (I would assume) their highest source of income, so why not make more and more skins? Is Riot still working on the infrastructure to support more skins teams, or are they worried about over hiring? Does Riot lose money every time they make a nice skin for a less popular champion?

I'm tired, and can't remember where I was going with this, but the point is that Riot should just hire more people to make skins. At the rate they're currently going by the time all the less popular champions get a skin there's going to be a whole new collection of champs that haven't gotten a skin for 2+ years. Can't be too much harm in it anyways unless they lose money making skins for less popular champions.

Bard Blyat Bard6/1/2017, 12:59:45 PM3 votes

I fell in love with Bard Bard. Since that I never have been interested in any skin. (Maybe Bewitched Tristana...but Halloween will come)

Heck, I even have two one trick ponies just for Bard Bard...

Dragon Master5/31/2017, 11:19:03 PM3 votes

Thank you

Leu076/1/2017, 8:23:45 PM3 votes

I started playing league since october from season 3, my main is Cassiopeia and I have never felt that feeling of when your main gets a new cool skin, feels baaaaaad dude.

Selfhood6/1/2017, 4:13:48 AM3 votes

I waited a whole goddam year for Heartseeker Quinn ? hell no...give me project or something worth buying, that 1350 quality!!

DynamiteGazelle6/1/2017, 4:15:21 PM3 votes

Evelynn I sympathize with that Nocturne player. Eve's last skin was a long 3 years ago in 2014, and it was only an extremely boring 750 skin. And she had to wait 4 years to get even that because her skin before that was in 2010. All of her skins are 750 quality or less, and half of her skins are straight up recolors.

Riot definitely plays favorites, and Evelynn is not one of them.

Mister Modesty6/1/2017, 8:13:09 AM2 votes

VO concepts

Dragon Shepard Yorick

  • summons dragon babies, breathes fire, and summons a large fiery dragon.

Greasehead Kled

  • Skaarl is a motorcycle (mechacycle)

Plant Weaver Nami

  • bubble becomes a mini Zyra ult, ebb and flow is a vine that stretches out and coils around targets, her e is given a bright floral visual, and her ultimate is a grassy hill that 'rolls' into enemies.

Void Malphite

  • Q is a void like shadow, E's visual is an outward explosion of void, Malphite teleports to location for Ultimate with updated animation for the knock up.
NineTailedMystic6/1/2017, 1:41:28 AM1 votes

You bring up Blood Moon Illaoi could have been great, but I think that Blood Moon would be an awful skin for her. She simply does not fit the thematic whatsoever.

Anyways, while every champ should get skins, why should champs who have skins not get anymore? Just because other champs haven't got skins in a long time? An eye for an eye makes the world go blind, and all that.

Riot working on one skin does not necessarily 'take one away' from another champion. Riot has said this too multiple times. So if Ahri is going to get another skin soon, that apparently doesn't stop Yorick from getting one, or whatever. This has always confused me. Riot does not have infinite resources. They do not have infinite artists and animators with infinite hours, infinite pay, and infinite computers and tablets.

I feel that they mean that "instead of replacing Academy Ahri with a different champion in the skin line, we'd invest those artists and modelers to bring up the skin quality of the other champions with the skin" for example. In the case of solo release skins, they have to do a different champion more than likely, but it's also possible those resources just go to a different project that's already in development. It's more like "Just because this champ isn't getting it doesn't mean this other champ will".

But I'm a dirty Ahri player who shouldn't want for anything skin related for her no matter what :^).