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categorizing champs as good and bad guys (i need some help buddies)

Skarner Player·2/16/2020, 8:11:58 PM·3 votes·8,842 views

Edit: Just gotta emphasize that even though ik most champs have some kind of morally redeeming factor to them, I'm kinda forced into categorizing them as definitive "villains" b/c of this game ↓

I've made a league version of a deck building game on tabletop simulator that involves sorting champs into "heroes" and "villains".

I skimmed over every champ's lore and put the ones with more "honourable" morals (correcting injustices, protecting people, etc.) into heros and the more nefarious ones into villains but I also had a bunch that were kinda morally ambiguous so I'm wondering if I missed any that could've been categorized as one of the first two or miscategorized anyone.

Guys i found to have morals/intentions that aren't necessarily good or bad (I'm trying to make more villains so if anyone could point out any of these guys who are actually big baddies I would big appreciate) Ahri Annie Amumu A sol Camille Corki Darius (cred: EvilUnicornLord) Diana Draven (cred: EvilUnicornLord) Fizz Gnar Gragas Kalista Kindred Lulu MF (cred: EvilUnicornLord) Nautilus Olaf Ornn Rengar Rumble Sivir Sona Syndra Trynd Varus Veigar Xerath (cred: AhHa toaster) Volibear Zoe

Guys that I've made into "Heroes" (the ones with question marks are guys im about to make but i'm not entirely sure they should count) Neeko? Akali Alistar Anivia Aphelios Ashe Azir Bard Blitz Braum Cait Ekko Ezreal (cred: Chembaron Yamada) Galio Garen Heimer Illaoi Irelia Ivern Janna J4 Jax Jayce Kai’Sa Karma Kass Kayle Kennen Lee Leona Lucian Lux Malphite (cred: KarenTookTheKid) Maokai Master Yi Morgana Nami Nidalee (cred: KarenTookTheKid) Nunu (cred: HonestJohnTheCon) Nasus Orianna (cred: Chembaron Yamada) Panth (cred: EvilUnicornLord) Poppy Quinn (cred: GreenLore) Rakan (cred: GreenLore) Rammus (cred: KarenTookTheKid) Riven Ryze Senna Shen Shyv (cred: GreenLore) Skarner Soraka Taliyah Taric Teemo (cred: GreenLore) Trist Udyr Vayne Vi Viktor (cred: Chembaron Yamada) Wu Xayah (cred: GreenLore) Xin Yasuo Yorick Yuumi Zilean Zac

Guys that I've made into "Villains" (the ones with question marks are guys im about to make but i'm not entirely sure they should count) TF? Graves? Aatrox Brand Cassio Cho Draven Dr. Mundo Elise Eveylnn Fiddle GP Hecarim Jinx Jhin Karthus Kat Kayn Kha Kled Kog Leblanc Liss Malz Morde Nocturne Pyke Qiyana (cred: HonestJohnTheCon) Rek Renekton Sej Sett Singed Sion Shaco Swain Sylas Tahm Talon Thresh Trundle Twitch (cred: Chembaron Yamada) Urgot Warwick Vel Vlad Zed Ziggs Zyra

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Chembaron Yamada2/16/2020, 8:44:39 PM4 votes

Twitch You can remove the question mark from Twitch. Even if we know almost nothing about this guy, his bio at least states that his goal is to kill humanity. So it should be pretty obvious that he is evil.

Ziggs Ziggs is not really a villain. He is morally grey, while he enjoys detonating stuff here and there, he is going out of his way to prevent people getting hurt, as you can see in his comic with Jinx.

Jinx Basically the same like Ziggs, Riot mentioned quite some times that Jinx' alignment is chaotic/neutral. She is not malicious and wants to harm people on purpose, she is just really, really careless.

Viktor Viktor is definitely NOT a villain. He gets pictured as one in Jayce's lore, because their theme is that every story has 2 sides. In Jayce's version, Viktor is the villain. In Viktor's version, Jayce is the villain. In the end, neither of them is really evil. It is all just a big misunderstanding. Vikor actually even wants to help people, not by controling the mind of people like people make it out to be, but by offering people who want his augmentations the tools to make themselves more efficient.

Orianna Definitely needs to be in the hero category. We are talking about a girl here, who endangered her own life to save a bunch of Zaunite children she didn't even know and in the end she gave up her entire body for this. Also saving the life of her father by giving him her heart. She is probably one of the most altruistic and heroic characters in the game.

Warwick Warwick is a difficult case. While he does in fact kill innocent people, he isn't doing it on purpose. Ever since his transformation, he just doesn't have control over his actions as soon as he smells blood. He actually wanted to be a good guy and use his new found strength to kill the bad guys in Zaun, but as I said, he ends up killing innocent people as well. He is coping with that fact by telling himself that he became the monster he has always been and gave up fighting the urge. I don't think he is really evil, just unable to fight against his current state.

HonestJohnTheCon2/17/2020, 12:58:04 AM3 votes

Nunu is a pretty cheery kid who's super-idealistic, and Trynd fights alongside Ashe, so I'd put them as good guys. Qiyana is extremely rude, arrogant, and ruthless, so I'd put her as a villain. Veigar also feels insulted not being put as a villain, although to be honest it's not like he succeeds in his villainy attempts, so do what you want with him. I'd put Xayah with Rakan in the neither category. I'd also put Vayne in the neither category, as while she has noble ideals, her methods are extremely ruthless. TF and Graves are crooks, but that's mostly it. They don't have any nefarious motives beyond that. I'd put them in neither. MF is decidedly a good guy, especially compared to damn near everyone else in Bilgewater. Ziggs is more of a neutral character -- he's in league with Jinx, but he's mostly harmless.

Fringe cases: The "core Noxian" champs -- Darius, Draven, Swain, Katarina, and Talon -- are odd cases. Swain is definitely a villain here, but he claims he's a villain by necessity. The other four are similar -- they're serving Noxus, but beyond having ruthless methods they're not necessarily terrible people compared to some of the other champs. Well, except Draven, but he's mostly just an asshole. You also listed Sej and Viktor twice (Sej in "neither" and "villains", and Viktor in "good" and "villains"). Sej is pretty much neither, and to be honest I'd put Viktor in neither as well. But they fit either way.

Overall, though, it looks mostly good to me.

KarenTookTheKid2/18/2020, 5:44:20 PM2 votes

Also I am pretty sure that NidaleeNidalee would be a hero too, it even states in her main page that she just wants to defend her home from people seeking to invade and plunder it, and in her short story she rescued a vastayan some people had been hunting like an animal, she did kill the hunters but she did warn them to leave first. And gave the one that trapped the vastaya a chance despite being able to rip out his neck at the moment.

Ebonmaw Dragon2/16/2020, 8:18:02 PM2 votes

Wait... are you telling me that the champion who is literally "THE MASTER OF EVIL" is NOT a villain?

AhHa toaster2/19/2020, 1:49:40 AM1 votes

Personally, I feel Xerath being a "villain" is debatable, because I don't particularly see him as "evil". If you look into Xerath's lore, he seems like a person with a just cause for his actions but it the results just went to shit and he rolled with it. Xerath's main goal was to rid Shurima of slavery, one way or another, even if it meant betraying his friend Azir. Azir hid his intentions to abolish slavery, even from Xerath, so Xerath had no clue that all he had to do was to wait until Azir's ascension. I feel like Xerath went through with his plans to kill Azir and take his spot for the ascension, even though Azir officially declared to eradicate Shurima's use of slavery, because Xerath had committed so much to his plan and has done too much to back out. I don't think he felt pleasure or enjoyment out of killing Azir or Shuriman citizens, but he saw their deaths as unfortunate collateral damage, but there was more important matters to worry about. While these are definitely not the traits of your traditional hero, Xerath to me seems like an extremely committed person with a just cause who will do anything to accomplish it.

Xerath

KarenTookTheKid2/17/2020, 3:04:14 AM1 votes

I think MalphiteMalphite would count in the hero section, sure his story is vague, but the parts that are there are relatively good. (In his lore) He kept the Void creatures back and crushed them with his powers when they began to surface in his area, and kept the tunnel from collapsing to make sure the miners in it wouldn't be hurt. As well as warning them that the Void is spreading outside of Shurima. Like I said, he still has very little lore compared to most champs, but his actions seem to be good from what we do have.

Same with RammusRammus, his stuff isn't certain but considering he had assisted in holding back invading armies and defeated chaotic castles of unspeakable horror, he does do good. There is too much for it all to likely be unintentional, his entire bio is filled with how the people of Shurima celebrate him and that theres ancient arts depicting how he helped a long time ago as well. Also destroying an anthill that had been destroying farmlands, inspired someone to make Shurima's biggest marketplace, saved some people from a giant beetle. While some could argue that he isn't doing it for the sake of helping, there are some things he did like rolling into a burning castle and saving the kingdom's heir, there isn't much reason he would have done that if he only does things for his own sake.

GreenLore2/17/2020, 10:55:56 AM1 votes

Neeko Pantheon Xayah Teemo Shyvana Quinn all fit into the heroes side, since they all don't really want to harm anyone unless necessary(neeko just wants to find her place in the world) and are mostly concerned with protecting/helping others(teemo protects bandle, pantheon fights to protect the humans from the gods, quinn protects Demacia, Xayah protects the vastaya). Out of those I'd say only Shyvana might be questionable since she might receive a rewrite to her story once she gets a VGU, but for now she selflessly saved Jarvan and killed her mother in selfdefense/revenge for her dad.

Rakan should also be considered a hero together with Xayah, he is actually nicer than her and wants to avoid bloodshed if possible.

Ahri used to be bad, but has come to realize how horrible she was in the past and started to better herself, so I'd consider her a hero now, since she has become good.

Kalista might be an almost mindless avatar of vengeance, but she specifically hunts betrayers, which is rarely a bad thing. Besides she didn't really choose to become this way, so I'd say she counts as a hero.

Syndra Varus & Volibear fall likely into the villain category. Varus was imprisoned for the countless atrocities that he did and he tends to kill humans on sight, simply because he hates them. Volibear was depictd as a villain in all of his new lore pieces and even if his VGU might show a nicer side of him I doubt it'd be able to make up for his actions in the other lore pieces. Syndra is a difficult case since we don't really know what she is up to right now, but she killed one of the guys who freed her simply because he was an ionian and she blames all of ionia for her suffering, so I'd say that makes her more of a villain.

EvilUnicornLord2/19/2020, 1:05:50 AM1 votes

Darius He's in the morally grey boat of Noxian champs. He's a brutal general but he's quite selfless as seen in his story, digging alongside his soldiers. Plus when Swain took over, many expected Darius to side with the older ideals but he decided the monarchy was outdated and supported Swain (even though he sometimes questions his methods.) Previously, the lore was just "Noxus bad, Demacia Good" but now the two nations are more believable, Noxus having recently adopted a more modern government system and being very inclusive where race and background don't matter. At the end of the day, he's Lawful Neutral. His loyalty to Noxus goes before everything else which sometimes paints him as a bad guy but he's not evil by any stretch so it's a close call but I'd say Good guys If you don't agree, it wouldn't be wrong to put him in the neutral group. He's a soldier first, human second.

Pantheon There's not an awful lot to say here. He selflessly fights alongside his fellow targonians and stands against the tyranny of immortal beings. While his views on such beings are a little extreme, he definitely belongs in the Good guys

MissFortune She's a killer but everyone she has killed is- well, was- evil. Miss Fortune overthrew Gangplank and is set on making Bilgewater a better place no matter how many cutthroats she has to shoot. She's actually kind of similar to Caitlyn in her goals but in a far nastier environment with a lot more work to do and a lot more Geneva conventions to break. Good guys

Draven He an executioner so everyone he kills isn't out of malice, just the fact that they're convicts and that's his job. Also, his love of the dramatic re-purposed the Noxian judgement pits into a less lethal sport so you could say he saved some folk (of course, not intentionally, he just doesn't care). Draven's only ideal is that he puts himself first in every way, he's true-neutral so he goes up in the neutral zone.