Shouldn't Yordles be getting more skins / champions by technicality?

ADC Yuumi·Jan 31, 2020·17 votes·12,908 views

I vaguely remember Riot saying it's hard to make skins for monster champions and are to go forward with that in mind for new champions. I kinda already see this since Vastayian champions are becoming more and more crowded, as they are basically half monster half anthropomorphic.

Also with how much more extreme ranked play is getting, skins can't afford to become too complex or flashy. Which means, for monster champions; you can barely change them without affecting gameplay. Let us look at Conqueror Alistar and Hextech Alistar.

However something human champions cannot do is change skin color, since that would strike controversy in the LoL community unless given exact reason. ( Like how God Fist Lee Sin is... a god. )

But Yordles are a good mix of both, since they're very versatile. At the least; you can change their skin ( fur ) color without a problem. But what's more is that they can be overly flashy since their size.

Let me explain. Tristana can change her whole "silhouette" since she's so small. She can be flashy since her champion model isn't the actual thing you're looking for; but the actions. DT Trist litterally has a dragon which is constantly wiggling and moving, which doesn't matter since you only care about her W not looking any different starting up. DT Heimerdinger's turrets are fully moving, but you only care that the effects are readable.

Meanwhile, SG Xayah's Q is nearly identical aside from her bird familiar to classic. SG Rakan's W entrance is nearly identical to classic. True Damage Ekko's ability animations follow closely to the classic, mostly because he's a champion where you need to read the model more than the abilities.

Now here's a good example of this not being the case: Super Galaxy Rumble has if not more readable abilities / animations. Odyssey Kayn, specifically Shadow Assassin's abilities are much more loose compared to classic.

The difference is the importance of abilities to animations, and more often than not; are Yordles less animation heavy.

38 Comments

ModRowanstarJan 31, 202012 votes

It is complete nonsense that Riot is making less beast champions/skins. They are some of the best. We have too many vastaya wierdo hald human half animals already. Beast champions are more unique and interesting. But yes Yordles should be more of a focus due to your reasons.

TerozuJan 31, 20202 votes

Yeah but no one really cares about monster champs.

xDogMeatxJan 31, 20201 votes

i love kog maw... that pug maw skin is cute.

TerozuJan 31, 20201 votes

Pug Maw is so fucking precious.

People still don't really care about monster champs.

xDogMeatxFeb 1, 20201 votes

so cute i got all the chromas and if i use him (as adc ofc thats rare role due to the cancers in mage supports) i always swap chromas every game for each dog breed type.

ModRowanstarJan 31, 20202 votes

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Yeah but no one really cares about monster champs.

not true at all. ppl use monster champs (including animals, dragons, void etc.) quite frequently. Although tbh Yordles and animals aren't monsters. I mean beasts (aka non humans or vastayans like Neeko and Xayah). Players use a pretty good variety of champion themes.

TerozuJan 31, 20202 votes

Extremely true, actually. No one plays them, no one buys their skins.

That's why they're so neglected skin wise. They're literally just wastes of money for Riot.

This is because the player base just really don't care about these champs.

ModRowanstarFeb 1, 20204 votes

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Extremely true, actually. No one plays them, no one buys their skins.

That's why they're so neglected skin wise. They're literally just wastes of money for Riot.

This is because the player base just really don't care about these champs.

I find this to be the opposite. Plenty of ppl (at least in my experience) play yordles like Gnar and Trist and even Xerath and Warwick. Beast champions are very popular especially the reworked ones. If there are those that arent its because they arent meta or are outdated. But beast champions are not by any means unplayed.

TerozuFeb 1, 20201 votes

Gnar and Trust are cute semi-humanoids. This is why they do get skins.

Xerath isn't a monster.

Warwick is werewolf, a bestial humanoid.

None of those are monster champs.

SukishooFeb 1, 20201 votes

Gnar gets skins?? Sorry what? He has 6. 1 is his release, so 5 post release but then one of those is Esports, so that becomes 4 post release. His last one was in 2017 (super galaxy). So 4 skins... Where Trist has 10, so can't even compare them.

TerozuFeb 1, 20201 votes

Yeah she has about double his skins and has existed about twice as long.

ModRowanstarFeb 2, 20201 votes

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Gnar and Trust are cute semi-humanoids. This is why they do get skins.

Xerath isn't a monster.

Warwick is werewolf, a bestial humanoid.

None of those are monster champs.

So a better term might be non humans or beasts. By monster you mean the void. Is shadow isles considered monster champs?

TerozuFeb 2, 20201 votes

All of those champs are humanoid though.

Chogath Anivia Malphite Ornn Renekton Skarner Trundle

Monsters are monsters.

ModRowanstarFeb 2, 20201 votes

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All of those champs are humanoid though.

Monsters are monsters.

Renekton is a humanoid croc. Ornn is a ram. Skarner is a scorpion. Technically not monsters. Monsters as your saying it means fictional creatures not based on real animals (trolls, zombies, chogath etc.) So if WW isnt a monster then neither are Ornn and Renekton.

TerozuFeb 2, 20201 votes

Renekton is bipedal reptile, not humanoid. Neeko is humanoid.

There is distinction.

Monster doesn't just refer to what you feel it should.

Anivia Ornn and Voli are monster champs. This is how Riot defines them.

ModRowanstarFeb 4, 20201 votes

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Renekton is bipedal reptile, not humanoid. Neeko is humanoid.

There is distinction.

Monster doesn't just refer to what you feel it should.

Anivia Ornn and Voli are monster champs. This is how Riot defines them.

You cannot say Warwick is humanoid when he is ALSO a bipedal champ. And no, Riot (as do most ppl) refer to monsters as actual monsters. Real animals that exist does not equal monsters. If WW is Humanoid, then so is Ornn, Renekton, Rengar and Nasus. Anivia is a BIRD hence not a monster. Trundle and void champs are monsters because they are based on fantasy creatures. Now I could see them being described as a beast. That would make sense. But what you have said is contradictory, since WW, Rengar, Renekton and Nasus are all bipedal animals.

TerozuFeb 4, 20201 votes

Riot has called Anivia a monster champ.

Warwick is a human body modified to be more monsterous, whereas Renekton is a Crocodile body standing upright.

There is a difference there.

ModRowanstarFeb 4, 20201 votes

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Riot has called Anivia a monster champ.

Warwick is a human body modified to be more monsterous, whereas Renekton is a Crocodile body standing upright.

There is a difference there.

Nope. They are both anthropomorphic bodies. Ww is not human. He died and fully transformed into a wolf chimera. Also Renekton was human.

Chromatic EagleFeb 1, 20201 votes

By monsters people think about the voidborne.

ArakadiaJan 31, 20202 votes

I would argue that a large reason why is because Riot has neglected them in literally everything from promos to skins to gameplay updates and visual updates.

TerozuJan 31, 20201 votes

Well, in truth, the exact opposite is true, no one playing them or buying their skins is why Riot neglects them.

No one cares about them, so they're just wastes of money.

ArakadiaJan 31, 20202 votes

That is probably true to an extent but Riot made it worse by leaving them to rot and then wondering why nobody wants to play shitty looking Skarner who hasn't been viable for half a decade or gotten a skin in forever.

TerozuFeb 1, 20201 votes

He's neglected because his skins don't sell and his last skin is no exception there. I love his lore, but I can't relate to him or identify with him. Because he's a giant ass scorpion. And it's the same for most people, since the were humans. Not giant ass scorpions. Skins cost Riot money. Skarner doesn't sell. His skins are a waste of money for them.

Fact is, if pretty much no one cares about something, it's going to be neglected. Which will lead to less people caring. So on and so forth.

Does it suck? Yeah. But that's the way it is

Lazy GrandpaFeb 1, 20203 votes

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He's neglected because his skins don't sell and his last skin is no exception there. I love his lore, but I can't relate to him or identify with him. Because he's a giant ass scorpion. And it's the same for most people, since the were humans. Not giant ass scorpions. Skins cost Riot money. Skarner doesn't sell. His skins are a waste of money for them.

Fact is, if pretty much no one cares about something, it's going to be neglected. Which will lead to less people caring. So on and so forth.

Does it suck? Yeah. But that's the way it is

nobody gave a fuck about akali until she had her rework + the music and now she is probrably one of the best skin sellers. arbitrarily buff any monster champion and atleast 50% of the community just starts spamming it, because playing meta right.

regardless they can just artificially make people play those champions that are so forgotten and ignored not worth making skins for by doing one of the above. surely nobody can use your reasoning anymore right? buffs are happening together with skin releases now for extra oomph.

alternatively they could also just make one bad ass awesome epic beyond ultimate-prestige skin for them and surely it would convince people to play the entire champ just for the skin, no?

TerozuFeb 1, 20201 votes

Actually Akali was a huge skin seller even before her rework. She also had decent playrates. And her lore was popular enough that she was the first champ to have her lore move forward with a rework rather than be changed entirely.

Even when Monster champs are over buffed. Even when they're brand new. Even when their playrates are high, no one buys their skins, because no one cares.

Lazy GrandpaFeb 1, 20202 votes

for monster champs. if people just don't care, then it's up to riot to make people care. they did it with akali, as a human, surely they can do it for monsters if they actually cared to try.

edit: if volibear and fiddlesticks reworks are massive successes, then there might be hope yet!

and akali has blatantly risen in popularity after being associated with a korean popstar, it's probrably the primary factor that increased skin sales. after all she got to come back last year.

TerozuFeb 1, 20201 votes

They didn't make people care about Akali, people already cared about Akali.

People as a whole don't care about the monster champs unless they're cute. Nothing Riot does will change this.

Demanding they do anyway is pretty much like throwing a tantrum...

TerozuFeb 1, 20201 votes

Sorry dbl posted. [slayer-jinx-catface]

mrmeddymanFeb 1, 20201 votes

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That is probably true to an extent but Riot made it worse by leaving them to rot and then wondering why nobody wants to play shitty looking Skarner who hasn't been viable for half a decade or gotten a skin in forever.

Most players don't play a champion based on skins... Most players never spend a dime on League of Legends they just play champions they think look cool or fulfill a certain fantasy they have ( Yasuo ).

We are just an extremely vocal minority

TerozuFeb 1, 20202 votes

Yep. This is why Lux and Ezreal are so popular. They're basically the most relatable champs to LoL's main playerbases. Ezreal is a cocky teen/young adult, and super confident, while Lux is perpetually positive. Theyre both attractive young adults with desirable personalities. Even in Asia if you really believe that Riot is focusing on them, Ezreal is basically the epitome of attractive straight male to them, and both are essentially anime characters. And since most Japanese gamers are female that's even more important.

Yordle GunnerFeb 1, 20203 votes

A lot of them just need visual updates rather than new skins. But that still falls under what you are saying so.

Eternal TormentFeb 1, 20202 votes

Veigar is pretty solid proof of that. Half his skins are literally just re-colours with some minor extras attached, and said extras are almost entirely unnoticed in the game and only get found out after you zoom in at x10 or so into the Splashart.

Yordle skins would be easy as fuck to do for most champions. Exceptions would be Corki and Rumble, they have some extra models that require stern looking at.