I find the "female representation" discussion quite iritating..

lofi n chillhop·Nov 11, 2015·38 votes·6,405 views

as mortifying as it is to look around at art and feel grossed out by the sexualized poses and emphases, it isn't any better to hear people cheer that a woman is depicted as "unattractive"

I mean yeah don't want to see women be constantly objectified as sexy, but the contrary to that is definitely not woman being objectified as ugly. that's still the same judgement. that's still saying that what defines a woman is how she looks sexually. Yay she's not sexy? because she's supposed to be sexy? it doesn't work.

and if you ask me, most of the men in league are good-looking. this isn't something all that strange, to come up with art that looks nice. the thing is, that the depiction of men is predominately action-oriented. heroic poses, or poses mid-leap, mid-strike. and very rare is there art of a man who's groin is lunged forward, or who's butt is sticking out too ogle at.

what's "sexualized" about woman in media is not their beauty, but rather the fact that their poses is a butt pose. or a bust pose. and they're so scantily clad they might as well be naked.

I don't care if cleavage is showing, I just don't want to see a plethora of women running around in their underwear.

I don't care if they've got hips and bust I can't compete with, but I just want the lighting to emphasize their face or weapons just like with the men.

I don't care if she's so fit that I feel fat (and I'm pretty skinny) but I just don't want to see a close-up of her boobs or bum like that's what the scene is all about.

it isn't about the woman being sexy or not sexy. it's about the art showing off her "Sex" potential instead of her "fight" potential.

and I really like Illaoi, because goddamn she's intimidating! she's ready for action! she's in control of herself, and her environment. and if you ask me, she's quite gorgeous! and most importantly, these awesome "identities" found in the art are not overshadowed by her "sex" identity.

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KrigjerNov 11, 201518 votes

I'm just glad to see more and more diversity in the female champions we've been given as of late.

I hate threads saying 'okay you got your fat woman champ. Now give us a champ with big tits and ass now!'

There are websites dedicated to that, you don't have to get it from a video game.

XulsigaeNov 11, 20158 votes

If I may quote myself from another thread:

It's important to note that showing skin isn't necessarily sexual or attractive (otherwise nude champions like Zac would be way too much) and being covered up isn't necessarily nonsexual (skin tight out fits and such). What makes a champion attractive is a variety of aspects. A common complaint I hear is that people focus too much on females being uncovered or sexualized and not enough on males. This misses the point of uncovered not equating necessarily to sexualized. Just because Tryndamere/Braum/Pantheon/Varus/Ryze has a bare chest doesn't make him sexualized automatically. How a champion poses, what their kit and story is like, what quotes they say and their personality matter in how sexualized they are. Cultural context too, as a shirtless man in Western society isn't seen as sexual as a shirtless woman.

Being attractive or unattractive is similar. I (as a straight male) don't find Jinx attractive because she's crazy and I don't like homicidal people. Her personality and story makes her unattractive to me. Even if she wasn't flat chested, that wouldn't make her more attractive to me, but she would likely be more sexualized depending on how much focus was put on her chest. On the flip side, I don't think a few scars, scales, or a wart or two makes someone automatically unattractive. It's certainly okay for a champion to be attractive, but different body shapes, faces and such should be part of it and flaws not ignored. Being conventionally unattractive is the same.

What's important is how they are presented visually and thematically I think. A champion's looks should reflect their character and profession or background. Far too often someone will claim that asking for a more thematically appropriate costume is 'slut shaming' or 'too politically correct.' This is wrong. I don't mind Ahri being sexual in her appearance because it fits her character and role as a temptress, same as Eve. The first Cassiopeia made sense too (not much anymore due to that stupid curse in the tomb). If every female champion in League was a temptress sort and wore appropriate attire, it would be thematically appropriate. Lacking diversity sure, but appropriate. Even on champions like Sona it makes a bit of sense because she's a more social character and performer and her outfit might go with that aspect. Being attractive as a performer can be important, though obviously not necessary.

Other champions, being sexualized and wearing impractical outfits are not so appropriate. It didn't make sense for Sejuani to be going around in a metal bikini on the tundra (she doesn't have to be uncovered to be a badass). It doesn't make sense for Zyra to be just a lady with a few leaves stuck on her and with her feet in the shape of heels. It doesn't make sense that Leona wears heels either. Nami is based on a mermaid, but rather than just being a half human half fish, she's pretty fishy all around...but still has her skin split to have rather human cleavage. Caitlin is a highly competent and practical cop...with a miniskirt. They can be attractive sure, but at some point their appearance loses touch with their character and themes. If Caitlin likes to wear a miniskirt off the battlefield or when not on a case, that's just fine. If Leona likes heels, that's fine too, but not in a battle situation. Context for attire is vital. Impractical outfits in skins are fine as those aren't canonical and are just for fun (mostly, as sometimes they can get a bit too much). Splash arts are a common offender in that regard too. Spine breaking poses and other sexualized aspects can push a champion away from what they are as a character and into just an action figure or fan service. See Sivir and such. Champions like Vi I don't really see as sexualized (though her behind in her splash art is a bit exaggerated), but I do find her attractive. She's tough and scarred and that's okay. Same with Katarina (though her splash arts are a bit wonky at times and there was that debacle with her candy cane stripper pole). I like Kalista's look and think it fits her thematically, but I don't find her attractive physically. Leona and Diana are certainly attractive and I'd say even beautiful, but for the most part are practical and in appropriate attire (though Leona's heels...grr...).

Envy SinJan 26, 20162 votes

It doesn't make sense that Leona wears heels either.

^ This, SO MUCH this. Leona should NOT be wearing heels, She should be wearing combat boots. Please riot. I can't even imagine how hard it would be to lug ALL that armor, The huge shield + Sword, And somehow fight/run in heels.

http://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Md2eef809902fe282de15447651f3a181o0&pid=15.1

Also the way the breastplate folds in. Shouldn't be like that. It's acutally making it easier to kill her.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m57fy7m7Sx1qfsnsqo1_1280.jpg

(I can go on)

^ The breast plate for a women is VERY similar to a mans, It just folds out a little more so their boobs don't get crushed.

DreamspitterNov 11, 20155 votes

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as mortifying as it is to look around at art and feel grossed out by the sexualized poses and emphases, it isn't any better to hear people cheer that a woman is depicted as "unattractive"

I mean yeah don't want to see women be constantly objectified as sexy, but the contrary to that is definitely not woman being objectified as ugly. that's still the same judgement. that's still saying that what defines a woman is how she looks sexually. Yay she's not sexy? because she's supposed to be sexy? it doesn't work.

and if you ask me, most of the men in league are good-looking. this isn't something all that strange, to come up with art that looks nice. the thing is, that the depiction of men is predominately action-oriented. heroic poses, or poses mid-leap, mid-strike. and very rare is there art of a man who's groin is lunged forward, or who's butt is sticking out too ogle at.

what's "sexualized" about woman in media is not their beauty, but rather the fact that their poses is a butt pose. or a bust pose. and they're so scantily clad they might as well be naked.

I don't care if cleavage is showing, I just don't want to see a plethora of women running around in their underwear.

I don't care if they've got hips and bust I can't compete with, but I just want the lighting to emphasize their face or weapons just like with the men.

I don't care if she's so fit that I feel fat (and I'm pretty skinny) but I just don't want to see a close-up of her boobs or bum like that's what the scene is all about.

it isn't about the woman being sexy or not sexy. it's about the art showing off her "Sex" potential instead of her "fight" potential.

and I really like Illaoi, because goddamn she's intimidating! she's ready for action! she's in control of herself, and her environment. and if you ask me, she's quite gorgeous! and most importantly, these awesome "identities" found in the art are not overshadowed by her "sex" identity.

To be honest.

This game needs more sexy men, so they can compete with all the women that are already out there.

I want to play a bishounen.

lofi n chillhopNov 11, 20151 votes

I'd be OK with that TBH. if the standard of every video game champion was sex symbolism, I mena I'd be a little confused that humans are obsessed with sex to that extent because I'm definitely not. but if every male depiction was as much about sex as every female depiction, I'd actually just take it as a kind of humor. xD or well if it was the norm I grew up with, I probably just wouldn't even notice it.

DreamspitterNov 11, 20151 votes

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I'd be OK with that TBH. if the standard of every video game champion was sex symbolism, I mena I'd be a little confused that humans are obsessed with sex to that extent because I'm definitely not. but if every male depiction was as much about sex as every female depiction, I'd actually just take it as a kind of humor. xD or well if it was the norm I grew up with, I probably just wouldn't even notice it.

Have you seen....Reign The Conqueror?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KVpUN-SI4Q8/maxresdefault.jpg

Yes that is a thong/belt. Yes that is golden Lion armor. NO he doesnt care if he gets stabbed in the leg. EVERYONE'S armor is like that.

That aside, you say you'd be "confused that humans are obsessed with sex to that extent". You must be new to the internet, because really...there IS pron of EVERYTHING. No. Exceptions. It is a RULE of the internet that have been proven true, time, and time again. Illaoi? Within hours of her reveal, it was already done. In fact when anime creators reveal designs of characters BEFORE the show even comes out and airs on television....it's already been done and posted on the internet as fan art.

lofi n chillhopNov 11, 20151 votes

lmao CANT. STOP. STARING AT IT xD

no but yea but no, I mean there's sex everywhere but not EVERYWHERE y'know? there's places where sex isn't. that makes sense to me. humans love sex. I get it. but humans aren't constantly sexing each other up, are they? they do other stuff to. so sex is in a lot of places, but it's not literally the only thing we see in media.

DreamspitterNov 11, 20151 votes

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lmao CANT. STOP. STARING AT IT xD

no but yea but no, I mean there's sex everywhere but not EVERYWHERE y'know? there's places where sex isn't. that makes sense to me. humans love sex. I get it. but humans aren't constantly sexing each other up, are they? they do other stuff to. so sex is in a lot of places, but it's not literally the only thing we see in media.

Yes. This is "armor".

http://i.imgur.com/duU5tIz.jpg

KrigjerNov 11, 20158 votes

Yes. This is "armor".

http://i.imgur.com/duU5tIz.jpg

But he's so empowered! I mean, obviously it makes him more agile in combat and distracts his enemy.

HeresyUntoFedexNov 12, 20155 votes

"It's just a fantasy setting anyway guys, just use your Imagination for once, gosh!"

Kobila2000Nov 12, 20152 votes

Well, there's Tera: http://popori-cbt.narod.ru/armor-castanic/castanic-male-plate-16.jpg

KrigjerNov 12, 20151 votes

Well, there's Tera: http://popori-cbt.narod.ru/armor-castanic/castanic-male-plate-16.jpg

Tera is fantastic though!

The Aman, Castanic and High elf men are all equally sexualized. I wouldn't mind how skimpily most women in MMOs are dressed if more of them did what Tera did.

And for the love of all that is holy, stop defending arbitrary sex appeal. If you want a half-naked women in your game or comic, that's fine. But stop saying 'oh, it makes her more agile to wear less clothing!' or 'she's protected by magic, so she can wear a metal bikini and be just fine!'

Meep ManNov 11, 20153 votes

I think this game needs unique characters that fit their kits and fantasies.

FiveofswordsNov 11, 20152 votes

so i totally understand where you are coming from and respect it. And I hear women have an issue with sexiness depictions quite a lot so i know this is a real issue. And that bothers me.

in my honest opinion, you are totally misunderstanding this.

First of all, men arent stupid. Its not a struggle for men to understand how a woman might be both sexy and awesome. Its not like men only see women as one or the other. That isnt how reality works. Its totally possible for men to respect women for non sexual things, and possible for men to be seduced by their sexiness...at the same time or even seperately. Maybe its not liek this for women i dont really know. Butthe vast majority of men know a sexy body is jsut a sexy body and implies nothing else at all...psotiive or negative about that person in any other way.

However, unfortunately perhaps, sexiness has a great deal of power over men. I guess they are very visual and just the suggestion of a sexy image will sell the hell out of anytihng to a man. Whether its video game spash art or a car or whatever other stupid thing. If this bothers you, imagine how obnoxious it is for men. YOu have no idea how many stupid things men are inspired to do over a stupid shape. The culture pretends liek women are strongly influenced by their emotions...well the fact is that if there were no sexy women in the world, most men wouldnt see any reason to have a job or even wake up in the morning. Not even joking.

But the good news is that you are not competing with this fantasy. The fantasy is in fact somehow more appealing to a man because it is just that: fantasy. A guy doesnt actualyl want to enter some codependant unhealthy relationship with miss fortune...ok? She isnt real. Real things dont happen with her. Its a totally different phenomenon of having real relationships with real women.

And by the way, i think female attraction can be jsut as shallow as male attraction. But what turns women on seems to be not so much visual but rather the agency/power/property of a man.Sorry but humans are jsut not so far removed from monkeys and thats how gender roles have been for mammals for the past i dunno billion years or so. Believe it or not theres actually nothign deep about finding power to be sexy. Adolf Hitler should not be sexy. But apparently he was to many women. Anyway thats why the male splash art looks the way it does.

lofi n chillhopNov 11, 20151 votes

I totally get what you're saying but the concern with what men think when they look at the image is only a small part of why sex symbolism in art gets to me like it does. the thing is, when I look at the art, I think, "wow is this what I'm supposed to feel like?" ...It's that I don't identify with the woman I look at nearly like I identify with the men. because the men are always doing something cool, and the women are always doing something sexy. and when I go about the world, I'm not doing sexy things, I'm doing cool things. or at least I hope. and I want to be able to look at a woman in the art of the video game I'm playing, and feel cool because of it. and not be sad that I don't see anyone I can REALLY identify with.

it's like, yes I get that there are some men who walk around and see sex in most women they see, and I get that there are some men who don't. not everyone is the same and that's pretty standard to being human, I'm not upset by that. what iritates me is what I'm exposed to, not what people do. so when artwork is all "look at her sexy body parts" I'm like "I really don't want to, why are you shoving this down my throat like it does something for me? 'cause it does nothing for me but make me feel empty" and when I see people on forums be all "stop making women look sexy give us someone ugly for once like karthus" I think "why wouldn't I want the women to look sexy? I just don't want the focus of the art to be whether or not she's got boobs." because as supposedly ugly as karthus is, when I look at his art I see a mage casting spells, and incedently he's kinda less handsom than other men but that's ok. but when I look at arcade miss fortune, I see a busty women looking seductive, not an arcade-playing girl who's incidentally good-looking.

the thing is that I do respond (positively) to when women in art look attractive, because as a human being feeling good-looking is something that I like to feel and something that I'll identify with because I want to feel it. but seeing women depicted as sex symbols on the other hand, is something that makes me uncomfortable. because I like to look in the mirror and see someone attractive, but when I look in the mirror I just see a person who's attractive not someone acting like sex is the main course of her day. and so when I see something that gives me the message that attractiveness is what is important in being a woman, it turns my stomach, as a person thinking about her own existence in the world. attractiveness is nice, but the thrill of playing a videogame is what defines me. so when I see "arcade" miss fortune, and don't see the "Arcade" part in it because she's just this temptress sitting on display, I feel lost and alone. I feel like I'm this sex bot, and I don't like feeling like some sex bot. that's kinda gross.

(also FYI I don't find people being attracted or not attracted to people to be shallow at all. being attracted is an emotion you don't have direct control over. sometimes it just really kicks in just because of someones looks or something why would that upset me it doesn't.)

LyrebirdSongNov 11, 20154 votes

Thank-you for articulating my thought process. Incidentally, I really liked the Captain Fortune skin because she actually looks like the badass her lore is meant to be.

GenoXxNov 11, 20151 votes

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DreamspitterNov 11, 201511 votes

{quoted}

#Actually they DO say shit.

http://leagueofsexism.tumblr.com/FAQ

http://leagueofsexism.tumblr.com/post/110518737735/heartseeker-varus

http://leagueofsexism.tumblr.com/post/120765560920/ekko

#EDIT: Oh I'm sorry, you deleted your post?

Too late.

:^)

#U mad? Your downvotes without reply tell me you are.

GenoXxNov 11, 20151 votes

No a mod did, but i told the truth anyways. I got my point across.

DreamspitterNov 11, 20157 votes

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No a mod did, but i told the truth anyways. I got my point across.

And as I said, male characters don't go unnoticed by the people you are talking about.

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GenoXxNov 11, 20152 votes

And as I said, male characters don't go unnoticed by the minority of people you are talking about.

Ftfy.

Majority of then just act like Riot known for making sexy champions and only want it to be that way. And feel like splash arts like Kayle's is sexual, and she has a ~~breast plate~~ boob armor.

DreamspitterNov 11, 201510 votes

{quoted}

Ftfy.

Majority of then just act like Riot known for making sexy champions and only want it to be that way. And feel like splash arts like Kayle's is sexual, and she has a ~~breast plate~~ boob armor.

#But what about....

That barbarian guy...one of Freljord's greatest warriors. That demon er Darkin, Aatrox led a rival clan against him and killed his people.

A man robbed of his home and his people, Tryndamere wandered across the Freljord for years, vowing to forge himself into a brutal instrument of revenge.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/al_Krlfp4aI/hqdefault.jpg

#Yeah, he's pretty badass, pretty fucking cool.

There's that warrior woman, from that Spartan inspired society. They had a coming of age ritual, where two teens had to fight to the DEATH for the right to claim a relic weapon. But she rebelled against her society and refused to fight, and was sentenced to be executed. That took a lot of courage to stand up to them. Yeah, she's pretty badass and-

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Leona_0.jpg

#Oh....

http://i.imgur.com/0EMfHCR.jpg

You see nothing about Tryndamere interferes with the "hero fantasy" of playing that character. Yes, his still a fantasy warrior, but you can take the idea of him seriously within the setting and he's badass and cool all the way through. Leona though....she's a female warrior with sword, and shield, and...high heels. And that thin skin tight bodysuit too all the way up in the freezing heights of Mt. Targon.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/L6IuQOwKPAA/hqdefault.jpg

And the useless boob plates on her armor, just so you don't forget she has a bust. In fact, EVERY ASPECT of TRYNDAMERE emphasizes BADASS -even the parts that make less sense or would be potentially impractical (barechested, no armor). But all the parts of Leona that don't make sense, don't enhance the heroine fantasy she SHOULD embody...they just emphasize the attractiveness of her body, and fetishistic elements (combat heels).

#Tryndamere is a hero fantasy.

And he fulfills it well. I can see why guys would like to play him.

#Leona is a heroine fantasy.

Imagined by male developers. I can see why guys would like to play her.

The problem with the art and character design in this game, is the fact that female warriors cant be taken as seriously as the male ones. They have weird elements that don't fit the characters. Why would Leona wear combat heels? They don't fit the character, they don't enhance the fantasy of playing the character or the role. It's just....eye candy, it makes her look "hot". Now, some of that might be ok on a character like Leblanc , MissFortune , or whatever but it's just out of place elsewhere.

Now to be honest, there are a fair number of barechested men for contrast.

Braum Kassadin LeeSin Ryze Tryndamere Udyr Varus Yasuo

And what does that emphasize?

#Power. Strength. Might.

Even mages like Ryze , Brand, and Kassadin are buff. You can argue these male characters are sexy, but their attractive attributes are tied in with their visible prowess -even if they're mages that rely on magic. Female characters outfits may be skin tight, or feature cut outs and windows in their clothing, and their splash art poses may (over) emphasize their physique but...they're soft, and supple with useless accouterments, design elements, and "shape language" that don't help the design fulfill the fantasy of who these characters are supposed to be in their lore. They don't even LOOK like they belong on a battlefield.

Eowyn vs The Witch King of Angmar (who couldn't be killed by "any man of woman born") -inspiration behind the new Azir skin.

http://i.imgur.com/w5JvIhD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/R1bzfE4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EickO8Y.jpg

She doesn't need combat heels, or so many other things to be awesome.

lofi n chillhopNov 11, 20156 votes

to be fair the "sexiness" of men in society is already tied in with their "buffness" while with women "sexy buff women" is a minority fantasy xD

and to be fair, skintight battle suits probably aren't that big of a deal. if you're battling you're heating yourself up, and a heavy fur coat would hinder you.

but 100% yes about your message tho :P high heels on a warrior make zero sense whatsoever. and cleavage-fitting breastplates are actually lethal to you, not protective. let's focus your entire blow right into my sternum, it's so strong and mighty it'll absorb all of that energy and not shatter at all.

DreamspitterNov 11, 20153 votes

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to be fair the "sexiness" of men in society is already tied in with their "buffness" while with women "sexy buff women" is a minority fantasy xD

and to be fair, skintight battle suits probably aren't that big of a deal. if you're battling you're heating yourself up, and a heavy fur coat would hinder you.

but 100% yes about your message tho :P high heels on a warrior make zero sense whatsoever. and cleavage-fitting breastplates are actually lethal to you, not protective. let's focus your entire blow right into my sternum, it's so strong and mighty it'll absorb all of that energy and not shatter at all.

Well I SUPPOSE I could see SOME of the impetus to do something like it.

Consider this - when someone wears FULL armor, including helmet...people become unisex. When women did wear breastplates historically, they usually just wore the same armor men did, albeit a LITTLE bit bigger. Although this didnt happen often. But...if there was a fictional setting in which women serving in the military was more common, then some of those individuals MIGHT just want to make sure anyone fighting them KNEW they were a woman. This of course presumes some sort of gender imbalance, otherwise a soldier -male or female would make no difference. This could drive minor aesthetic changes, that would distinguish them (without endangering them).

Now, common infantry were just common infantry. But say...an adventurer, a well established mercenary, or a general might have custom armor of some sort.

http://i.imgur.com/O3fzuda.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZgabeO5.jpg

The muscle cuirass represents an idealized male torso, and were worn by officers. Maybe an armor could incorporate an engraving, minor emboss, or painted design of some sort -either breasts and abdominal muscles, or some sort of symbolic motif only worn by women.

In greek art they had what they called "Heroic Nudity".

Heroic nudity or ideal nudity is a concept in classical scholarship to describe the use of nudity in classical sculpture to indicate that a sculpture's apparently mortal human subject is in fact a hero or semi-divine being. This convention began in archaic and classical Greece and was later adopted by Hellenistic and Roman sculpture. This concept operated for women as well as for men, with females having themselves portrayed as Venus and other goddesses.[1]

junglerboy16Nov 11, 20153 votes

Actually, the "Muscle Cuirass" was not just worn by officers, nor was it considered the best form of armor. It was primarily used for parade and ceremonial purposes, and only for a very short stint in greek history was it regularly used in combat. The most popular armor types were either padded leather, sometimes with metal plates or scales sewn on, the Linothorax, or fabric lamellar composite armor (very popular amongst the greeks) or later, the Lorica Segmentata, a cuirass made of articulated metal sheet (the common armor of a combat ready Roman legionary).

All of this is to say that the Muscle Cuirass wasn't even considered all that practical in its own time, serving almost entirely to idealize the male figure.

In league, the same style holds true. 90% of the armor, weapons, and apparel in use (both male and female) is blatantly ineffective for the purpose of keeping someone alive or killing someone else. It is fundamentally parade apparel. That's why the guys tend to show off bulging muscles and the gals tend to be hyper-sexualized. All of this used to make sense in the context of the League actually existing in their world. They were not just random soldiers brawling it out for a military/political victory, they were celebrities like ancient Roman Gladiators.

Wouldn't you know, but Gladiators tended to be sexualized as well. They were often shirtless males in over the top armor using exotic weapons in a fight for amusement. Oh, and in those rare cases where a woman joined in? Yeah, they were also sexualized a lot, often fighting topless or in some form of bondage. And there was even a distinct subclass of gay gladiators, and they were used for comic relief and were often openly belittled, either within the arena or outside of it, as well as facing higher than average risk of death (usually because they were targets for murder and abuse).

Basically, this "sexualization debate" is as old as organized combat and the glory that that entailed.

KazaashiNov 11, 20152 votes

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Eowyn vs The Witch King of Angmar (who couldn't be killed by "any man of woman born") -inspiration behind the new Azir skin.

http://i.imgur.com/w5JvIhD.jpg http://i.imgur.com/R1bzfE4.jpg http://i.imgur.com/EickO8Y.jpg

She doesn't need combat heels, or so many other things to be awesome.

:D

Unfortunatly, even Tolkein wasn't as progressive as we would hope.

If it were not for Merry and his Westernesse dagger dispelling Sauron's curse on Angmar, he would have not been phased by Eowyn's sword. I'd put in the quote, but it is surprisingly hard to find. lol

Other than that little nit picky bit, your post is amazing. It really illustrates the difference between male and female depictions in Video Games. I hope people will actually read and think about it.

junglerboy16Nov 12, 20152 votes

Yeah, but Tolkien made sure that it was Eowyn (a woman) and Merry (a halfling) who were the duo to kill the witch king. Both faced pretty significant social stigmatism in their world (women weren't accepted as fighters, Halflings weren't supposed to be able to fight effectively) and overcame it.

Just because Eowyn didn't kill the witch king all on her lonesome doesn't belittle the fact that she (a "mere" woman) and Merry ("just" a halfling) were able to do what countless warlords, kings, and even the most powerful wizard of Middle earth failed to achieve.

Gender doesn't matter a jot in regard to the fact that Merry and Eowyn were both necessary to kill the Nazghul. If it were just Merry, he would have stabbed the witch king's leg and then likely been killed. If it were just Eowyn, she would have just stabbed his face and done literally nothing. Since both the so to speak "underdog" individuals played their necessary part, they succeeded.

GenoXxNov 11, 20151 votes

Omg she has heels because shes a freaking female. The fact that a female having heels ads more to the fact thats shes a female. For her to have them in her concept art makes sense. It is a fantasy game. That would be given to the style of a female. FFS. Wth should leona wear where he chest is? You tell me because anything else would seem very uncomfortable to be wearing for a female.

What, should men and female where the same attire for every thing? Is that what you guys want? Next female Champ for Zaun/Piltover should wear a turtleneck just show u guys think she is showing too much skin. and maybe a long stiff dress so no skin is showing. That would leave the creator having a very Dull concept. Leona's armor have spaces where her breast should be because that's how female armor is designed to be. What are you expecting? You are telling me Diana can't get a pool party skin because shes a warrior and non canon skins should only stick to her theme?

All males who play this game do not freaking play it just to look at some one's character. If anything, some who searches up league of legends porn wouldn't just be a male. I'm sure there are countless females who do the same.

You can't compare men attire to female attie when it comes to games liek these. A man running around w/o a shirt normally happens in the real world. I doubt you see females running around shirtless because of obvious reasons. See your whole feminist argument hear is justifying anything. You can't say "Oh wow, tryndamere or pantheon can run around in that attire but leona can't?" I guarantee you right now, to give leona( The Sun's chosen one mind you) An attire like pantheons you are still going to get an armor that has two spaces for her breast. Why tf would it now? Then you are going to call it "boob armor" and thats just going to make you look stupid because thats what you wanted. Leona without heels and warrior attire. Think about what u say dear god.

Nothing is ment to be eye candy for someone to look at. This isn't a hentai game. If a charcters concept come out with them having a mini skirt and a dude in a tank top, thats the freaking concept. You can't expect everyone in Turtla necks and long johns because this game would be down right boring for that. All skins coming out looking the same.

Feminist are insecure thats why they have to make them selves believe that Everything is for "eye candy"

Edit: Whats that? No Reply? Maybe Reality hit you?

DreamspitterNov 12, 20158 votes

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Omg she has heels because shes a freaking female. The fact that a female having heels ads more to the fact thats shes a female. For her to have them in her concept art makes sense. It is a fantasy game. That would be given to the style of a female. FFS. Wth should leona wear where he chest is? You tell me because anything else would seem very uncomfortable to be wearing for a female.

What, should men and female where the same attire for every thing? Is that what you guys want? Next female Champ for Zaun/Piltover should wear a turtleneck just show u guys think she is showing too much skin. and maybe a long stiff dress so no skin is showing. That would leave the creator having a very Dull concept. Leona's armor have spaces where her breast should be **because that's how female armor is designed to be. What are you expecting? You are telling me Diana can't get a pool party skin because shes a warrior and non canon skins should only stick to her theme?

All males who play this game do not freaking play it just to look at some one's character. If anything, some who searches up league of legends porn wouldn't just be a male. I'm sure there are countless females who do the same.

You can't compare men attire to female attie when it comes to games liek these. A man running around w/o a shirt normally happens in the real world. I doubt you see females running around shirtless because of obvious reasons. See your whole feminist argument hear is justifying anything. You can't say "Oh wow, tryndamere or pantheon can run around in that attire but leona can't?" I guarantee you right now, to give leona( The Sun's chosen one mind you) An attire like pantheons** you are still going to get an armor that has two spaces for her breast.** Why tf would it now? Then you are going to call it "boob armor" and thats just going to make you look stupid because thats what you wanted. Leona without heels and warrior attire. Think about what u say dear god.

Nothing is ment to be eye candy for someone to look at. This isn't a hentai game. If a charcters concept come out with them having a mini skirt and a dude in a tank top, thats the freaking concept. You can't expect everyone in Turtla necks and long johns because this game would be down right boring for that. All skins coming out looking the same.

Feminist are insecure thats why they have to make them selves believe that Everything is for "eye candy"

Edit: Whats that? No Reply? Maybe Reality hit you?

http://i.imgur.com/M6Uu12r.jpg

What, you expect replies instantly now? I'm sorry but I cant always attend to you the instant you post GenociderX, I have other things to do with my life.

Emphasis mine, I tried to bold the all the shitty parts of your post -while trying VERY HARD to avoid bolding the whole thing.

Think about what I'm going to say? You didnt even take your own advice.

Females warriors should wear heels on the battlefield? What? Why? BECAUSE...they're female you say?

"she has heels because shes a freaking female. " -GenociderX

Even taking into account it's fiction, it's completely stupid as I explained to you earlier. And you think armor MUST be designed with breast cups in it, otherwise it would be too uncomfortable? What???

And then....you go completely off the deep end, and extend what I said about a characters BASE concept IN UNIVERSE and extend it to skins -which are not in any way canon. You THINK I BELIEVE that we should never have a pool party skin? For example, compare that to Nurse Akali, Kitty Katarina, - These are in the same area as skins like Uncle Ryze. They are literally an established character simply wearing a non-canon COSTUME. Much as you or I might do in real life, and are not in any way reflective of how a character gears themselves or fights. How in the world you jumped from what I said to that....I have no idea.

And NOTHING in this game has EVER been designed or animated as eye candy? Ever?

"Nothing is meant to be eye candy for someone to look at." -GenociderX

https://31.media.tumblr.com/97f4afad679a6d9d0e08e54ca1909af0/tumblr_n946tem4HW1tfvfqfo1_500.gif

#AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-

Oh wait. You were serious. You didnt see what they did there? I know you saw it. I know YOU KNOW what it is. You're not blind like Lee Sin.

I also NEVER claimed that female warriors needed to run around topless like male ones either. And you have no idea what real armor, worn by real women looked like historically do you -when you say "to give leona an attire like pantheons you are still going to get an armor that has two spaces for her breast.".

No GenociderX. No you are NOT still going to get an armor that has two spaces for breasts. Unless...you go out of your way to design it stupidly. I also don't "expect everyone in Turtla necks and long john" or anything so stupid. And you think that " All skins coming out looking the same." would be a result?

I'm sorry you have so limited an imagination.

#You could NEVER imagine armor like this, I take it?

http://i.imgur.com/D9CbeTE.jpg

#Nope, in GenociderX's crazy world it would be more like this

http://i.imgur.com/etKxsFS.jpg

#Because that, and things like it, is all his limited imagination can come up with. :^)

And we don't want all armors coming out looking the same...right?

KrigjerNov 12, 20153 votes

I also NEVER claimed that female warriors needed to run around topless like male ones either. And you have no idea what real armor, worn by real women looked like historically do you -when you say "to give leona an attire like pantheons you are still going to get an armor that has two spaces for her breast.".

A guy tried to tell me that armour for women has to have individual pockets for each breast to be comfortable, and I tried explaining what 'binding breasts' was. I said it was like modern day sports bras when he still didn't understand the concept, and then he tried to tell me that 'most women don't find sports bras comfortable.'

Kobila2000Nov 12, 20153 votes

Tell him "Imagine if you had three metal pockets on your underwear, one for each ball and one for your dick. Would you find that comfortable?"

GenoXxNov 12, 20151 votes

...Except for no one wore metal undergarments back then did they?....even they had cloth under their armor...

Kobila2000Nov 12, 20155 votes

The guy literally said armor for women had to have individual boob pockets to be comfortable. How about you learn how to read before posting stupid comments?

KrigjerNov 12, 20155 votes

...Except for no one wore metal undergarments back then did they?....even they had cloth under their armor...

Would you stop and think?

The cloth worn underneath a a breastplate should pad the area so much that you can no longer see each individual breast. Have you ever seen a woman wearing a bra and a t-shirt? Each one isn't lifted and separated. If it is, it's referred to as 'vacuum sealed' because that's the only way to get that effect.

GenoXxNov 12, 20151 votes

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KrigjerNov 12, 20155 votes

Close minded af.

Pot calling the kettle black.

TwigglesNov 12, 20156 votes

Im done arguing with you because it's impossible.

Of course it's impossible. Your argument is terrible.

HeresyUntoFedexNov 12, 20155 votes

So, uh, should Ezreal be as ripped as Braum and wear nothing but a speedo with serious groin buldge? Yah know, to show he is in fact a male?

Uncomfortable looking at it? Don't worry, that's what the concept of him looked like, so it's 100% A-okay.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

DreamspitterNov 12, 20152 votes

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So, uh, should be as ripped as and wear nothing but a speedo with serious groin buldge? Yah know, to show he is in fact a male?

Uncomfortable looking at it? Don't worry, that's what the concept of him looked like, so it's 100% A-okay.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Enhanced Mantheon skin for his VU maybe?

:^)

Maybe the Slayer skin will get a chainsaw codpiece.

Kobila2000Nov 12, 20152 votes

Ever heard of the codpiece? http://content.artofmanliness.com/uploads//2011/03/knight.jpg Women never had boob-cups, but men did have dick-cups.

lofi n chillhopNov 11, 20155 votes

you really completely missed my points 100%. I'm not speaking up because illaoi is "not sexy" I'm not speaking up because I'm a immature feminazi I'm not speaking up because I want to see women look less attractive than me and men to look all alluring-like.

I spoke up because I saw a lot of threads pop up about the subject, and represent the subject in a way as if they were speaking for people like me, and they most definitely are not speaking to my oppinions. so I shared my oppinions. and my oppinions are, that I WANT women to look sexy, I DONT WANT the art where they're sexy to be about them being sexy tho. IMO Bruam's pretty goddamn sexy. but his art isn't a depiction of his sex anatomy. his art is a depiction of his identity as a protector. that's what I want. I want to see the character's identity, for example jinx's sadism. not leblanc's seductivism, and miss fortune's seductivism, and sona's seductivism, and janna's seductivism. it's a bland message, to have the majority of women art in league be seductive messages. you can make sexy women without making their message be sex. that's what's porn's for anyway, and videogames aren't porn. or at least shouldn't be.

GenoXxNov 11, 20151 votes

But you forget! None of them are made to just be Sexy. See thats the point you miss right there......

lofi n chillhopNov 11, 20158 votes

no I agree none of them are not just a sexy woman doing a sexy thing. they're a sexy woman doing a league thing in a sexy way. but that's what the problem is.

I want to see a woman doing a league thing in a league way who just happens to be sexually appealing. 'cause most of the men depicted in league are just men doing league things in league ways and some of them just happen to be sexually appealing.

NichiyoubiNov 12, 20152 votes

that's what I like about the arts from Lux or Syndra , it's about their personality while still good-looking

CatastropJan 16, 20162 votes

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http://leagueofsexism.tumblr.com/post/110518737735/heartseeker-varus

They had me up until they said, "The way he daintily plucks his bowstring reeks of a tired gay stereotype, and the over-the-top pose drives home the fact that this is intended to be comedy. The joke is mean-spirited, and it hurts men." The skin is basically Cupid, what did they expect? There's hardly anything gay about it(unless you're thirsty like me), the fact that they even use the abundance of the colour pink as proof of this says more about the blogger than it does about Riot. Actually, if I'm being completely honest, they lost me completely at the second paragraph where speculation was being disguised as facts.

StekeltjeNov 11, 20151 votes

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DreamspitterNov 11, 20155 votes

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Lies, if a girl is playing this game she's either fat or it's a pizza eating fat guy.

To be on topic, who the fuck cares. There are other (worse) matters who needs much more attention than this crap about feminism, sexism and all that crap.

Matter's like WHAT in gaming?

StekeltjeNov 11, 20152 votes

Perhaps things which are NOT in gaming? People are making a problem out of everything nowadays.

DreamspitterNov 11, 20155 votes

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Perhaps things which are NOT in gaming? People are making a problem out of everything nowadays.

No, no , no I mean just in gaming. Since that's the primary subject matter of these boards. I mean it's about sexism, but if it wasnt sexism in GAMING, no one on this board would care. At all.

I mean we could talk war, racism, anti-vaxxers, fundamentalism, or starving children in Africa but...

What other issue in gaming is more important, that we should be talking about?