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Is it just me or did riot basically do a reverse viktor on pantheon?

Enders Jehuty··28 votes·4,318 views

For those of you who were around for viktors release, you may remember his lore and interaction in said lore with jayce. The dude was meant to be some ridiculously badass progenitor of a mechanical+human revolution, and gets his ass beat by a guy who literally JUST developed a hammer, Jayce rolls into his secret base, blows everything up, whoops his ass and leaves, and viktor basically goes "wahh muh revenge" and joins the league to shit on jayce.

It was horrible, viktor was a laughingstock. But they changed the lore because they realized that they really neutered the type of guy Vik was supposed to be and turned him into a badass scientist of higher caliber than Jayce.

And now we have Pantheon, original lore puts him as one of the greatest warriors EVER, unstoppable and consumed with bloodthirst and fighting with no end. He cares not for good or evil, as long as he has a cause to fight, nothing can put him down, nothing can make him tremble.

and then came the new lore.

Pantheon lost his status as a badass warrior and instead became the aspect of war, pretty boss not gonna lie. Except, why does the aspect of war need to possess people and kill them and temporarily take hold of their bodies? Meanwhile the aspect of the sun and moon get an even better version of that by allowing the host sentience and bestowing godlike powers upon them. Furthermore, why go from god of WAR, into a cowering buffoon who trembles at a coy sentence from aurelion sol. All the while enslaving and doing nothing short of practically begging (very fearful and unsure "Commanding") aurelion to help him, and then to top it all off Aurelion Sol instakills pantheon BY ACCIDENT.

like what kind of shit is this?

The real pantheon would have scoffed at the concept of help, and would have jumped into a sea of voidborne entities while painting a picasso with their goo.

You basically took a really awesome god of war berserker spartan, and turned him into a god of war slavemaster coward who needs to basically do the equivalent of a parasitic takeover of someones body to even have any chance of being in the real world.

This is the most disappointing lore since viktors original one. I get it, you guys on the lore team want to emphasize how aurelion sol is nigh-unstoppable and a being of far greater power than we can ever imagine ( which really brings way more of a disconnect between lore and in-game than the old institute of war type lore ever did, at least the old lore would explain why obviously godly beings would not just insta-gib the map, for example, xerath being chained up.).

Jeez man, I've been playing since beta, and while I never liked pantheons gameplay, he was always one of the coolest champions thematically, and this lore just makes me think of him in such a shit light. He is not only a villain now, but he is a villain you can't even respect.

46 Comments

The Whamboozler5 votes

Meh, so far the whole Targon thing has been a wash for me. I'd rather read about TF and Graves fueding, Kat's search for her father (If that's even still canon) or Shen attempting to track down Zed than all this overpowered god-beings cosmic nonsense. Why the hell is all the lore now so over the top? Why can't A-Sol be a star dragon, but on a scale that's relatable and vulnerable? Nope. He's an unfathomable cosmic force that could crush the sun and end all life on a whim. Yep. That's... much more interesting. And I suppose the next champ released will be Goku, since no one else can hold a candle to that. Shen isn't a ninja anymore, he's a super-powered spirit slayer who once totally single-handedly saved Noxus for no reason. Yeah, all those badass Noxus champs? Helpless and ignorant. Only shen could have saved them! Everything has to be bigger and better and more powerful in a "14 year old's fanfic" kinda way. It bugs me.

I like the kit they made for him but... WHY must he be a freakin' cosmic entity beyond all understanding? He acts a lot like the douche with the spray tan that you meet at the gym. Not really what I'd expect from something that far beyond humanity.

MasqureMan1 votes

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Meh, so far the whole Targon thing has been a wash for me. I'd rather read about TF and Graves fueding, Kat's search for her father (If that's even still canon) or Shen attempting to track down Zed than all this overpowered god-beings cosmic nonsense. Why the hell is all the lore now so over the top? Why can't A-Sol be a star dragon, but on a scale that's relatable and vulnerable? Nope. He's an unfathomable cosmic force that could crush the sun and end all life on a whim. Yep. That's... much more interesting. And I suppose the next champ released will be Goku, since no one else can hold a candle to that. Shen isn't a ninja anymore, he's a super-powered spirit slayer who once totally single-handedly saved Noxus for no reason. Yeah, all those badass Noxus champs? Helpless and ignorant. Only shen could have saved them! Everything has to be bigger and better and more powerful in a "14 year old's fanfic" kinda way. It bugs me.

I like the kit they made for him but... WHY must he be a freakin' cosmic entity beyond all understanding? He acts a lot like the douche with the spray tan that you meet at the gym. Not really what I'd expect from something that far beyond humanity.

He is relatable and vulnerable, he views his stars as his hearts, his children, each one a cosmic snowflake that he has the pleasure of viewing in their birth. He hates it when they die, it causes him emotional and physical pain. I think it's implied he doesn't let himself see new stars being born because he doesn't want to think of that when they die, but I'm a bit confused on that end. And he is bound by an earthly people that used him to pave their own way to power.

Keep in mind everything around him is either terrestrial and ignorant of the reality of the universe as he knows it, some weird perversion of it via the Ascended, and very few he considers his peers.

You don't have to like him, but they gave him depth. His assholery comes with being above and beyond those around him. He views earthly races as below him, and they are, but he also chooses to not teach them the truth of things. But he interacted with Targon and look where that got him. It's not that surprising he'd act like he is.

Valaran Nara4 votes

If you really want to think about it, it works like this:

Viktor's threat level decreased because someone with lesser presence defeated him.

Pantheon's power level did not lessen. HIs power level is the same. It just that it happened to be dealing with a threat that was of a scale that would be more easily treated with a solution they had for centuries. If it were any other being, Pantheon probably wouldn't flinch. Here's t he problem.

AURELION SOL IS A FUCKING CELESTIAL DRAGON! His power level is at a new tier that dwarf's Pantheon's by several leagues. If Pantheon survived the burning strength of 3 dwarf STARS he becomes a bigger badass than he already is. I'm sorry, but Pantheon's host body is still held to certain human limitations.

The host body is just able to circumvent that by turning off NATURAL limiters. Like how humans only use a third of their true muscle strength. They do it because it's at a resting power. If they go any higher than that, then they risk damaging their own body, so it's kept for survival chiefly.

Enders Jehuty6 votes

His power level rose from pre lore to post lore.

But his personality went into the shitter.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

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His power level rose from pre lore to post lore.

But his personality went into the shitter.

Eh I don't really care about power levels. It doesn't make sense that anyone is fighting Sol. It doesn't make sense that Sol is even interested I Runeterra.

Buffing Pantheon's power level doesn't matter if you strip everything that made him Pantheon in the process. He's not, he's a completely new character. And that character is a body snatching alien who enslaved another alien and holds that aliens leash. It doesn't interest me, in the slightest. If anything, I root for that other alien to break free and destroy the enslaving body snatcher.

Biff Manly1 votes

I feel like the break between his new lore and his lame in-game character is gonna keep me from playing him for a while. in the lore, he is now a god among men.

In the game, he is a Spartan. And that is it.

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

"Personality" What personality? All he ever talked about was War and being a Baker.

Warlord Dienekes4 votes

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"Personality" What personality? All he ever talked about was War and being a Baker.

Eh, personality comes from how they talk just as much as what they talk about. Pantheon's VO actually has a bit of personality: he perceives violence as an art form that he has dedicated himself to, and he is arrogant. It takes a certain level of blatant braggadocio to claim that the highest honor your opponent's could have is to die by your hands. The other part of him was his value of honor, which is a very loose word that can have a hundred meanings. Demacian honor might be to protect the homeland and live a just and righteous life. But, I'm willing to place my money that Pantheon's honor was closer to the Homeric Greek arete, where honor is bravery and physical excellence. And if you take his joke seriously, you could even add pathos to him, that despite being driven toward his view of honor, if he could do it all again, he'd take a different path. Not sure if you want to go too much on that myself, but it's there.

So from all that, you can easily see a personality taking shape. Someone who is driven by his love of violence, but more than that, to be exceptional, to be the pinnacle of warfare on his planet.

Now, could that use some fleshing out? Hell yes. He has only 60 seconds of voice work to draw this from, and a third of that is just him grunting, and laughing. But he was not a completely blank slate, and he also was not a body hopping space parasite.

GreenLore1 votes

But his VO didn't change,so even if his background changed,his personality didn't really.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

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But his VO didn't change,so even if his background changed,his personality didn't really.

True, only now, his VO doesn't make sense for his new lore. Why would an extra-terrestrial body snatching parasite care about baking? Why is it using a spear? Why does it say it is compelled by honor, when we now know what its real job is: to hold the leash of a celestial star dragon? How is that in any way honorable?

And because it doesn't make sense, we will likely keep seeing people asking for visual and voice updates. Which sucks, for me, because I want nothing to do with an update if it makes playing Pantheon turn further away from being a badass normal warrior and turning him into said extra-terrestrial body snatching parasite.

GreenLore1 votes

The baking part might have been really just a joke and even if he is a celestial aspect doesn't mean he can't have his own interests. And well he IS using a spear,I don't see your reasoning here,why that is a problem all of a sudden...

Also I doubt that it is specifically Pantheons job to command Aurelion,its something that probably any of the more important Targonians can do(not to mention that there is a difference between being honorable and being stupid,the previous pantheon knew that she couldn't close the rift and it wouldn't make sense to fight an endless army of enemies and that commanding a giant space dragon god and rescueing everyone is kinda honorable) and it sounds like the different incarnations of pantheon can differ to some extent,so its not even sure if the

ModAcademy Kayn2 votes

Alright, so lets take Pantheons personality from his VO and apply it to the Aspect of Pantheon (How I will call New-Lore Pantheon for now).

As you say, Pantheon is a PROUD man. Pride leads to arrogance, but it depends on the amount. Now according to Sol's expanded lore, we can obviously tell that the Celestial Race that the Aspect of Pantheon originates from are a proud people, and that the Aspect of Pantheon should be even more proud! He is the best Warrior abroad, one that cannot be defeated (Short from a Small Nova), and probably knows it as well. Compare that to current Pantheon, and it is just the same. A man who sees himself as the best warrior around.

Lets move on to Honor. If we take a look at the Short Story for the Aspect of Pantheon, he gives the chance for the Raiders to leave. When they refuse, and start to charge him, it is then when he attacks back. Honor compelled, he gave them a chance to retreat because he knows that he is no match for them, but when they attacked, he had no choice but to attack, because they believe themselves, weak human men, are a match for a God. Compare that to Pantheon, would he mercilessly attack someone he knows is no match for him just for the heck of it, just because he wants to kill?

As an God of War, Aspect of Pantheon would definitely consider War and Violence an Art form. The back and forth of an offense and defense, the ability to overpower a stronger force by manipulation, or the constant parrying of an opponents blade, a fight against two perfect Warriors, both waiting for one to make a mistake. Considering that, Pantheon shares that same idea with the Aspect of Pantheon, no?

Finally, why can't a God look back at his life and consider, "Ya know what, if I didn't do this whole War thing, Baking sure seem like something fun to do." Gods aren't perfect beings, contrary to popular belief. They have thoughts, ideas, regrets and mistakes, so why can't he regret not being a baker?

Also, a God doesn't just morph with a person who doesn't share the same values. I doubt the Aspect of Pantheon would embody a Pacifist, nor any random guy, else they wouldn't have to wait so long for another Aspect to emerge. Atreus and Aspect of Pantheon shared the same ideals, of honor, war, and pride, not to mention his determination, which is why they merged.

Warlord Dienekes1 votes

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Alright, so lets take Pantheons personality from his VO and apply it to the Aspect of Pantheon (How I will call New-Lore Pantheon for now).

As you say, Pantheon is a PROUD man. Pride leads to arrogance, but it depends on the amount. Now according to Sol's expanded lore, we can obviously tell that the Celestial Race that the Aspect of Pantheon originates from are a proud people, and that the Aspect of Pantheon should be even more proud! He is the best Warrior abroad, one that cannot be defeated (Short from a Small Nova), and probably knows it as well. Compare that to current Pantheon, and it is just the same. A man who sees himself as the best warrior around.

Lets move on to Honor. If we take a look at the Short Story for the Aspect of Pantheon, he gives the chance for the Raiders to leave. When they refuse, and start to charge him, it is then when he attacks back. Honor compelled, he gave them a chance to retreat because he knows that he is no match for them, but when they attacked, he had no choice but to attack, because they believe themselves, weak human men, are a match for a God. Compare that to Pantheon, would he mercilessly attack someone he knows is no match for him just for the heck of it, just because he wants to kill?

As an God of War, Aspect of Pantheon would definitely consider War and Violence an Art form. The back and forth of an offense and defense, the ability to overpower a stronger force by manipulation, or the constant parrying of an opponents blade, a fight against two perfect Warriors, both waiting for one to make a mistake. Considering that, Pantheon shares that same idea with the Aspect of Pantheon, no?

Finally, why can't a God look back at his life and consider, "Ya know what, if I didn't do this whole War thing, Baking sure seem like something fun to do." Gods aren't perfect beings, contrary to popular belief. They have thoughts, ideas, regrets and mistakes, so why can't he regret not being a baker?

Also, a God doesn't just morph with a person who doesn't share the same values. I doubt the Aspect of Pantheon would embody a Pacifist, nor any random guy, else they wouldn't have to wait so long for another Aspect to emerge. Atreus and Aspect of Pantheon shared the same ideals, of honor, war, and pride, not to mention his determination, which is why they merged.

Here's the problem with this.

  1. He's not a god. of war. That's putting on airs. Actually one of the few things we can definitively state about New Pantheon is he is very much not a god. The Rakkor may think he's a god, but he's not. He's a possessed corpse. The thing that's possessing him as a true Targonian, one of those assholes that enslaved Sol when Sol was just trying to help them. That's it, really. We have to piece together new Pantheon's backstory because what we were actually given as the Pantheon background doesn't tell us about Pantheon. It tells us about a really cool guy named Atreus, who was awesome. But then they wiped Atreus out.

  2. We have no idea what the criteria for becoming an Aspect is. It might be because they share a personality with their target, it might be because they needed one at that particular moment and they pick whoever's available. We can't say anything about that., because the lore could go both ways All we do know about the transition is that apparently Aspect Pantheon erased Atreus in the conversion. That doesn't really sound necessary to me if they were supposed to be so similar, but the lore specifically points it out that Atreus is gone, and doing that makes Aspect Pantheon kind of a dick, and again puts points into the whole slavery thing we see him use with Sol.

  3. This version of honor that you're pointing out honestly doesn't mesh with Pantheon's dialogue about how great it is for him to murder you, and how pathetic everyone's attempts at warfare is. Actually in the story given he doesn't seem arrogant at all. More a protector, and herald. That's the Demacian/Medieval version of honor, not the Greek version that Pantheon's dialogue edges around. If he is focused on always perfecting his art of war, why wouldn't he just kill the people who are trying to destroy the Rakkor? And here's the thing, even if we do say, ok ignore all the really bloodthirsty stuff, he's following Medieval honor codes now, he still sucks at it. Because for a protector he seems perfectly content abusing slaves to get what he wants, like he does to Sol, and his host bodies.

  4. Why would he need to look back at anything? "You know, now that I think about it I always wanted to be a baker." Ok, so go be a baker, you're an immortal space parasite, go be a baker then. A human's lifespan actually can have the wistful regret. The immortal celestial super beings? No, go be a baker and stop bitching. And stop enslaving people, jackass.

  5. And that's not getting into all the problems with him even looking as he does. Hell, Sol even makes fun of an earlier version of Pantheon because of this. There's no reason for the space body snatcher to use a spear when they have the type of magic that can bind actual gods to their will and apparently control sunlight and moonlight and crap. It doesn't even make sense for him to be what Riot says he is, and Riot is the one that pointed it out! Really, all we get from Sol's lore release is just a bunch of stuff about why Pantheon sucks, morally, physically, and aesthetically.

So no, I don't think apply the old dialogue really makes a more complete picture of new Pantheon, it more just shows how strange the two concepts that Riot decided to merge together are. One is an arete bound warhound, the other is a parasite that seems to want to protect people, but also wants to enslave those useful to it, and apparently likes to do ancient history cosplay for reasons not even an actual God dragon can understand.

JesseNeon3 votes

In short, A god was put in his place by an Elder god.

To elaborate, we now know more about the League of Legends universe. We have learned that in this universe, there are beings that are best described as gods. These beings are powerful, ethereal beings who can imbue a mortal with god-like powers.

I'd compare this to Marvel's Thor, Ares, and Juggernaut, or DC's Ares, Raven, or Jade (Technically also a lantern, I know). They're the god/avatar of blank, conduit/embodiment of insert-almighty-power-here. These guys are A-listers in their universes, appearing at the top end of the power scale. They are almighty, unstoppable forces, two of whom are also war gods, that easily b****-slap their way through dozens of enemy minions on a regular basis.

In my mind, I equate these guys to Pantheon, Tham Kench, Kindred, Brand, Diana, Leona, etc. types in this game. Based on this logic, it's fairly reasonable to say that the champions are basically the fantasy-based superheroes of the League of Legends universe.

The thing is, in almost every universe, there is the concept of Elder gods, supreme beings that came from a time before time, ages beyond ages, example beyond example. Galactus, Cthulhu, Mardok, etc.

A Thanos for every Ronan, is what I'm saying.

Yes, power levels tend to fluctuate all over the place, and some times the little guy kicks the big guy's a**, and the hero usually works out some kind of way to win in all the feel-good superhero stories. But the fact remains that usually, the little guy is a powerful being that exists in a world created/predated by the big guy, and I feel like that alone is worth consideration.

Pantheon, living embodiment of the god of war on a mortal plane, encounters one of the elder gods who could very well be responsible for creating the sun around which the mortal plane Pantheon inhabits orbits around. A mere mortal would likely have sa his pants (Yeah, I left the 'a' uncensored so you'd know which dirty word you'd have to say to yourself inside your head. You're welcome.) at this point, but Pantheon is such a god-d*** champ, he actually turns this guy into a resource to use on the battlefield.

Pantheon, Aspect of War, is such a cookie-baking BAMF, he once used Aurelion Sol, the Star Forger, as a weapon.

Sucks to your lamp post.

Ralanr2 votes

He didn't kill pantheon. He killed a host body.

Enders Jehuty15 votes

Well that's the thing. He killed a host body that's supposed to have pantheons might bestowed upon it.

By accident.

This isn't about whether or not it's possible, this is about what kind of message they're trying to send about pantheon. They're completely flipping his theme from badass to scrub.

Sharjo2 votes

Problem is that we actually have no idea what Pantheon's perspective on things is, or his actual history. We learned about the life of his current host Atreus, not Pantheon himself. As such who and what Pantheon truly is is still up in the air.

MasqureMan1 votes

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Well that's the thing. He killed a host body that's supposed to have pantheons might bestowed upon it.

By accident.

This isn't about whether or not it's possible, this is about what kind of message they're trying to send about pantheon. They're completely flipping his theme from badass to scrub.

Aurelion Sol is beyond the power of the aspects. I think that's pretty clear. The only way they keep him in check is by controlling him. He makes stars and Leona and Diana get their power from the aspects of the sun and the moon, ie, the sun (which is a big star) and the moon, with sunlight being reflected off of it. The Ascended get their power from the sun disc, which also channels the power of the sun. Of course the guy who made the sun would be more powerful than those who draw power from it.

Pantheon as an aspect seems as resilient as Sol, at least. They need mortal forms, and a mortal form can't survive a supernovaish blast like that, but the aspect themself can. So yes, Mortal pantheon can die if he gets supernova'd in the face, and yes, I don't doubt pantheon could fight some void born. They wanted Sol to close the rift moreso than fight the voidlings.

Sinlaire2 votes

Who says it was by accident? He hates Pantheon. He hates Targonians. He considers them pitiable, detestable things playing at power and loftiness.

In the lore of Pantheon, Diana, and Leona, we could see that among mortal men that their power is unmatched. They could slay both humans and other worldly beings with enlightened powers and exceptional martial prowess practically with ease and yet they are nothing in comparison to Aurelion Sol. A Being who was born with the creation of time and one who gave birth to the very light of the Universe with the creation of his stars.

They enslaved him with false praise and a twisted crown to bid him to do their work when they are little more than simple beings with power comparable to cosmic dust in comparison to him. They arent ants to humans in comparison to him but less than atoms to a Galaxy, for it is he who crafts the galaxies and they whom originally inhabited a planet nourished by but a single one of his stars. He gave them life.

And when he was summoned by Pantheon he knew the bond was weakening, and to show it he disobeyed. Pantheon showed fear because he knows the power of Aurelion Sol after having commanded him for so long. Over a thousand years he had been bound and forced to do their work for them and naturally developed a hatred for all of Targon. By refusing his orders and being forced to be told three times Pantheon feared losing all of his control over Aurelion Sol and was made an example of as well when he unleahed so much power to destroy the void gate.

He killed Pantheon on purpose as an act of rebellion to the Targonians and Pantheon feared him due to the fact that Aurelion Sol could easily wipe out his entire civilization if he were to break free.

It's one matter to be an Aspect of War and be an untouchable monolith on the battlefield, because that is a contest of men. But what man, even such as the likes of Pantheon, wouldn't feel fear when faced with the malice of a God born of Creation and wielding the power of the Cosmos?

kile1471 votes

TLDR: What's a man to a god?

SoMNia5 votes

The thing is, compared to Aurelion Sol, everyone of whose existence we are currently aware is a scrub, with the possible exception of whatever voidborn entity opened that rift. That's why he's so pissed that these lower life forms (Targonians) got their hooks into him. That, and they did it by corrupting his power and destroying his work. This wasn't any kind of statement about Pantheon. It was a demonstration of Aurelion Sol's power (and restrained power, at that, since he didn't want to completely obliterate Runeterra). Pantheon is not in any way diminished.

In fact, his Aspect is so powerful that it completely overwhelms and burns away the former identity of his host, unlike those inhabiting Diana and Leona. I'd say that actually gives us a new perspective on the nature of the entity we know as Pantheon. His power is his own. The other two draw their power directly or indirectly from Runeterra's sun — Aurelion Sol's creation. That "godlike power" bestowed by the other Aspects doesn't even come from them. It's all Sol.

Ruy11 votes

Maybe Aspects can empower mortal hosts to a certain point, but no enough to withstand a Super Nova in the face.

Nahara4 votes

I mean, it was literally a miniature super nova. Aurelion Sol had to hold back, otherwise he'd have vaporized the whole planet. I don't care how badass Pantheon is, nothing short of Superman is able to survive a super nova to the face...

billxx2 votes

Lol nvm passive

Ralanr2 votes

Doesn't block spells.

XIII Vanitas4 votes

Buy this item 3102. You would probably die anyways because you would be left alone in space vacuum, since the entire fricking world was blown up by a super nova, but hey, at least you're the last man standing.

kile1473 votes

Fiora used Riposte

Hard Penetrator4 votes

You know its time for training montage when your hero gets his ass kicked in 0.01 sec.

Insert Eye of a Tiger song.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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Well that's the thing. He killed a host body that's supposed to have pantheons might bestowed upon it.

By accident.

This isn't about whether or not it's possible, this is about what kind of message they're trying to send about pantheon. They're completely flipping his theme from badass to scrub.

But Panth's lore says that the host body is not unkillable just really hard to kill. Think about it Sol created the equivalent of a young star to destroy the void rift. Not a full star, but enough to melt the surrounding mountains a bit. There is NO human (the Panth host is human) who can survive being within a 100 miles of a star, and even being 10 miles near a new born star would be enough to vaporize a human. You also have to take into account that the current Pantheon and the Old Pantheon from Sol's lore are TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, they both has the Pantheon soul type thing inside them, but they also had different personalities like the Avatar (airbender). So you could say that the current Pantheon is the one you like, but the old one sucked.

Monkey D Luffy1 votes

You're bronze 5

Ralanr2 votes

This is lore. Rank doesn't matter here.

Enders Jehuty1 votes

I'm really confused.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

Mortals < Demigods (ascended, aspects) = Elementals = Spirits = Demons (Aatrox TahmKench) < Gods

Pantheon can't compete with a cosmic being that forges stars. It's not going to happen.

SoMNia2 votes

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Aurelion Sol instakills pantheon BY ACCIDENT.

Just like in the game. :3

That aside, Pantheon would certainly tackle the voidborn without hesitation, and probably win, but an inter-dimensional rift is beyond his ken, and he knows it. Furthermore, it's already well established that Aurelion Sol is basically a god (for lack of a better term) who is being controlled through underhanded means, and who is otherwise many orders of magnitude more powerful than the Targonians. It is impossible that Pantheon's mortal host, no matter how enhanced, could withstand the forces Sol brings to bear for the sake of mending a tear in the fabric of reality.

Warlord Dienekes2 votes

Yep they turned Pantheon, the lead badass normal warrior from a society of badass normal warriors, and have turned him into a body stealing alien parasite thing, who we've only seen beat up a handful of mooks and act as Sol's leash.

I do not like Pantheon's new lore. But really, the Targonians are a group of celestial backstabbing bastards. Let Sol burn them, to me Pantheon will always be that badass from Stanpar.

GreenLore2 votes

Uhm you kinda mixed some things up,that was Jayces original lore,not viktors. Viktor joined for an entirely different reason and his main lore never changed that much.

Also Pantheon is the celestial aspect of war,s/he isn't necessarily a god,but more a part of targon,which seems to be a rather supernatural faction,who either can't or don't want to interact with runeterra directly.

And I'd say the sun and moon aspects seem even weaker,because they fail to overtake their hosts completely. Kinda like the anime parasyte where the parasyte of the main character simply failed to take over his host.

Last but not least Pantheon isn't begging Aurelion Sol,she is commanding him and given Aurelions thoughts about her,it sounds like there are differences among the different incarnations of pantheon,so it doesn't mean that the current pantheon would act like that.

allthemuslims2 votes

YOU'RE WRONG!!!! Old Pantheon wouldn't paint a Picasso out of their goo, he'd make lovely cupcakes or maybe even a fruitcake instead :D

TzQGRUST392 votes

"original lore puts him as one of the greatest warriors EVER, unstoppable and consumed with bloodthirst and fighting with no end. He cares not for good or evil, as long as he has a cause to fight, nothing can put him down, nothing can make him tremble."

Wait, was this pantheon's lore or was this olaf's? Oh yeah, they are the same...

Also, Aurelion is way stronger than anything on targon (and most likely the whole planet), so it would make sense to be a little nervous. Although it is a little weird because pantheon shouldn't fear death as pantheon's life isn't at risk, but the host's, but that might be hinting at the host's mind not completely leaving when they turn into pantheon. That is me just playing Devil's advocate, though.

DragonShea1 votes

Well I got a Sol, so fuck Targon and I hope Aurelion gets free.

Baron of Bread1 votes

I would like to point out that in Pantheon's lore they state the aspect can be killed by mortals, it is just hard. If a mortal can kill them then a star can kill them.

Gentzer1 votes

Tbf, Aurelion Sol, lore wise, is hyper OP, at god-like levels of power, so dying to him doesn't really mean you ain't a strong being in Runeteraa, it just means you aren't an actual GOD.

MasqureMan1 votes

You guys have seen three Targonian aspects, two of them rather benign when it comes to body snatching assholery, and you already want them all gone

JQKAndrei1 votes

The saddest thing is that Leona is was a legendary warrior BEFORE receiving the power of the sun/gods.... and she still doesn't get a kit update to get her in the fighter role.

WarlockLaw1 votes

The Pantheon Aurelion 'accidentally' killed was a different incarnation of Pantheon. One we know little about other than that she was female. After killing her he mentions that Targon has already picked a new Pantheon and says he will be from the Raakor, which is where the Pantheon we know is from.

Also, Aurelion Sol was fully aware the blast was going to kill that Pantheon. He did that intentionally as a show of his power and their waning leash. That's why he blames himself for the death of the star that Targon destroyed as retribution.

Finally we cannot be sure that becoming Pantheon fully wipes out a person's memory or personality. It says he changed but not much more. It could be that the same thing happens to Pantheon as to the aspect of the sun. Leona gained both knowledge and power, and the knowledge she gained seemed to make her more sympathetic to Diana. Pantheon could be similar in that the knowledge he gained changed him, not that the power rewrote his personality. I suspect Diana only got part of the ritual completed as she didn't gain the same knowledge that Leona or Pantheon gained, only the power.

Zonkman1 votes

wasn't old pantheon basically olaf though minus the wanting to die thing they were both like killing machines that didn't really care about anything else

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Meanwhile in the rift...

Jax has slain Aurelion Sol (bloody icon is mia).

A god got beaten to death by a lamp post.

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