Is it just me or did riot basically do a reverse viktor on pantheon?

Enders Jehuty·3/11/2016, 12:43:50 AM·28 votes·4,318 views

For those of you who were around for viktors release, you may remember his lore and interaction in said lore with jayce. The dude was meant to be some ridiculously badass progenitor of a mechanical+human revolution, and gets his ass beat by a guy who literally JUST developed a hammer, Jayce rolls into his secret base, blows everything up, whoops his ass and leaves, and viktor basically goes "wahh muh revenge" and joins the league to shit on jayce.

It was horrible, viktor was a laughingstock. But they changed the lore because they realized that they really neutered the type of guy Vik was supposed to be and turned him into a badass scientist of higher caliber than Jayce.

And now we have Pantheon, original lore puts him as one of the greatest warriors EVER, unstoppable and consumed with bloodthirst and fighting with no end. He cares not for good or evil, as long as he has a cause to fight, nothing can put him down, nothing can make him tremble.

and then came the new lore.

Pantheon lost his status as a badass warrior and instead became the aspect of war, pretty boss not gonna lie. Except, why does the aspect of war need to possess people and kill them and temporarily take hold of their bodies? Meanwhile the aspect of the sun and moon get an even better version of that by allowing the host sentience and bestowing godlike powers upon them. Furthermore, why go from god of WAR, into a cowering buffoon who trembles at a coy sentence from aurelion sol. All the while enslaving and doing nothing short of practically begging (very fearful and unsure "Commanding") aurelion to help him, and then to top it all off Aurelion Sol instakills pantheon BY ACCIDENT.

like what kind of shit is this?

The real pantheon would have scoffed at the concept of help, and would have jumped into a sea of voidborne entities while painting a picasso with their goo.

You basically took a really awesome god of war berserker spartan, and turned him into a god of war slavemaster coward who needs to basically do the equivalent of a parasitic takeover of someones body to even have any chance of being in the real world.

This is the most disappointing lore since viktors original one. I get it, you guys on the lore team want to emphasize how aurelion sol is nigh-unstoppable and a being of far greater power than we can ever imagine ( which really brings way more of a disconnect between lore and in-game than the old institute of war type lore ever did, at least the old lore would explain why obviously godly beings would not just insta-gib the map, for example, xerath being chained up.).

Jeez man, I've been playing since beta, and while I never liked pantheons gameplay, he was always one of the coolest champions thematically, and this lore just makes me think of him in such a shit light. He is not only a villain now, but he is a villain you can't even respect.

46 Comments

The Whamboozler3/11/2016, 7:58:39 AM5 votes

Meh, so far the whole Targon thing has been a wash for me. I'd rather read about TF and Graves fueding, Kat's search for her father (If that's even still canon) or Shen attempting to track down Zed than all this overpowered god-beings cosmic nonsense. Why the hell is all the lore now so over the top? Why can't A-Sol be a star dragon, but on a scale that's relatable and vulnerable? Nope. He's an unfathomable cosmic force that could crush the sun and end all life on a whim. Yep. That's... much more interesting. And I suppose the next champ released will be Goku, since no one else can hold a candle to that. Shen isn't a ninja anymore, he's a super-powered spirit slayer who once totally single-handedly saved Noxus for no reason. Yeah, all those badass Noxus champs? Helpless and ignorant. Only shen could have saved them! Everything has to be bigger and better and more powerful in a "14 year old's fanfic" kinda way. It bugs me.

I like the kit they made for him but... WHY must he be a freakin' cosmic entity beyond all understanding? He acts a lot like the douche with the spray tan that you meet at the gym. Not really what I'd expect from something that far beyond humanity.

Valaran Nara3/11/2016, 5:12:02 AM4 votes

If you really want to think about it, it works like this:

Viktor's threat level decreased because someone with lesser presence defeated him.

Pantheon's power level did not lessen. HIs power level is the same. It just that it happened to be dealing with a threat that was of a scale that would be more easily treated with a solution they had for centuries. If it were any other being, Pantheon probably wouldn't flinch. Here's t he problem.

AURELION SOL IS A FUCKING CELESTIAL DRAGON! His power level is at a new tier that dwarf's Pantheon's by several leagues. If Pantheon survived the burning strength of 3 dwarf STARS he becomes a bigger badass than he already is. I'm sorry, but Pantheon's host body is still held to certain human limitations.

The host body is just able to circumvent that by turning off NATURAL limiters. Like how humans only use a third of their true muscle strength. They do it because it's at a resting power. If they go any higher than that, then they risk damaging their own body, so it's kept for survival chiefly.

JesseNeon3/11/2016, 7:15:26 AM3 votes

In short, A god was put in his place by an Elder god.

To elaborate, we now know more about the League of Legends universe. We have learned that in this universe, there are beings that are best described as gods. These beings are powerful, ethereal beings who can imbue a mortal with god-like powers.

I'd compare this to Marvel's Thor, Ares, and Juggernaut, or DC's Ares, Raven, or Jade (Technically also a lantern, I know). They're the god/avatar of blank, conduit/embodiment of insert-almighty-power-here. These guys are A-listers in their universes, appearing at the top end of the power scale. They are almighty, unstoppable forces, two of whom are also war gods, that easily b****-slap their way through dozens of enemy minions on a regular basis.

In my mind, I equate these guys to Pantheon, Tham Kench, Kindred, Brand, Diana, Leona, etc. types in this game. Based on this logic, it's fairly reasonable to say that the champions are basically the fantasy-based superheroes of the League of Legends universe.

The thing is, in almost every universe, there is the concept of Elder gods, supreme beings that came from a time before time, ages beyond ages, example beyond example. Galactus, Cthulhu, Mardok, etc.

A Thanos for every Ronan, is what I'm saying.

Yes, power levels tend to fluctuate all over the place, and some times the little guy kicks the big guy's a**, and the hero usually works out some kind of way to win in all the feel-good superhero stories. But the fact remains that usually, the little guy is a powerful being that exists in a world created/predated by the big guy, and I feel like that alone is worth consideration.

Pantheon, living embodiment of the god of war on a mortal plane, encounters one of the elder gods who could very well be responsible for creating the sun around which the mortal plane Pantheon inhabits orbits around. A mere mortal would likely have sa his pants (Yeah, I left the 'a' uncensored so you'd know which dirty word you'd have to say to yourself inside your head. You're welcome.) at this point, but Pantheon is such a god-d*** champ, he actually turns this guy into a resource to use on the battlefield.

Pantheon, Aspect of War, is such a cookie-baking BAMF, he once used Aurelion Sol, the Star Forger, as a weapon.

Sucks to your lamp post.

SoMNia3/11/2016, 5:45:45 AM2 votes

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Aurelion Sol instakills pantheon BY ACCIDENT.

Just like in the game. :3

That aside, Pantheon would certainly tackle the voidborn without hesitation, and probably win, but an inter-dimensional rift is beyond his ken, and he knows it. Furthermore, it's already well established that Aurelion Sol is basically a god (for lack of a better term) who is being controlled through underhanded means, and who is otherwise many orders of magnitude more powerful than the Targonians. It is impossible that Pantheon's mortal host, no matter how enhanced, could withstand the forces Sol brings to bear for the sake of mending a tear in the fabric of reality.

Warlord Dienekes3/11/2016, 7:30:21 AM2 votes

Yep they turned Pantheon, the lead badass normal warrior from a society of badass normal warriors, and have turned him into a body stealing alien parasite thing, who we've only seen beat up a handful of mooks and act as Sol's leash.

I do not like Pantheon's new lore. But really, the Targonians are a group of celestial backstabbing bastards. Let Sol burn them, to me Pantheon will always be that badass from Stanpar.

Ralanr3/11/2016, 2:24:37 AM2 votes

He didn't kill pantheon. He killed a host body.

TzQGRUST393/11/2016, 5:47:01 PM2 votes

"original lore puts him as one of the greatest warriors EVER, unstoppable and consumed with bloodthirst and fighting with no end. He cares not for good or evil, as long as he has a cause to fight, nothing can put him down, nothing can make him tremble."

Wait, was this pantheon's lore or was this olaf's? Oh yeah, they are the same...

Also, Aurelion is way stronger than anything on targon (and most likely the whole planet), so it would make sense to be a little nervous. Although it is a little weird because pantheon shouldn't fear death as pantheon's life isn't at risk, but the host's, but that might be hinting at the host's mind not completely leaving when they turn into pantheon. That is me just playing Devil's advocate, though.

GreenLore3/11/2016, 10:50:23 AM2 votes

Uhm you kinda mixed some things up,that was Jayces original lore,not viktors. Viktor joined for an entirely different reason and his main lore never changed that much.

Also Pantheon is the celestial aspect of war,s/he isn't necessarily a god,but more a part of targon,which seems to be a rather supernatural faction,who either can't or don't want to interact with runeterra directly.

And I'd say the sun and moon aspects seem even weaker,because they fail to overtake their hosts completely. Kinda like the anime parasyte where the parasyte of the main character simply failed to take over his host.

Last but not least Pantheon isn't begging Aurelion Sol,she is commanding him and given Aurelions thoughts about her,it sounds like there are differences among the different incarnations of pantheon,so it doesn't mean that the current pantheon would act like that.

allthemuslims3/11/2016, 5:17:23 PM2 votes

YOU'RE WRONG!!!! Old Pantheon wouldn't paint a Picasso out of their goo, he'd make lovely cupcakes or maybe even a fruitcake instead :D

EvilRabbitt3/12/2016, 3:36:31 AM1 votes

Meanwhile in the rift...

Jax has slain Aurelion Sol (bloody icon is mia).

A god got beaten to death by a lamp post.

Baron of Bread3/11/2016, 7:38:27 AM1 votes

I would like to point out that in Pantheon's lore they state the aspect can be killed by mortals, it is just hard. If a mortal can kill them then a star can kill them.

Gentzer3/11/2016, 8:54:21 AM1 votes

Tbf, Aurelion Sol, lore wise, is hyper OP, at god-like levels of power, so dying to him doesn't really mean you ain't a strong being in Runeteraa, it just means you aren't an actual GOD.

MasqureMan3/11/2016, 9:16:29 AM1 votes

You guys have seen three Targonian aspects, two of them rather benign when it comes to body snatching assholery, and you already want them all gone

JQKAndrei3/11/2016, 11:09:20 AM1 votes

The saddest thing is that Leona is was a legendary warrior BEFORE receiving the power of the sun/gods.... and she still doesn't get a kit update to get her in the fighter role.

WarlockLaw3/11/2016, 6:27:42 PM1 votes

The Pantheon Aurelion 'accidentally' killed was a different incarnation of Pantheon. One we know little about other than that she was female. After killing her he mentions that Targon has already picked a new Pantheon and says he will be from the Raakor, which is where the Pantheon we know is from.

Also, Aurelion Sol was fully aware the blast was going to kill that Pantheon. He did that intentionally as a show of his power and their waning leash. That's why he blames himself for the death of the star that Targon destroyed as retribution.

Finally we cannot be sure that becoming Pantheon fully wipes out a person's memory or personality. It says he changed but not much more. It could be that the same thing happens to Pantheon as to the aspect of the sun. Leona gained both knowledge and power, and the knowledge she gained seemed to make her more sympathetic to Diana. Pantheon could be similar in that the knowledge he gained changed him, not that the power rewrote his personality. I suspect Diana only got part of the ritual completed as she didn't gain the same knowledge that Leona or Pantheon gained, only the power.

Zonkman3/11/2016, 7:34:29 PM1 votes

wasn't old pantheon basically olaf though minus the wanting to die thing they were both like killing machines that didn't really care about anything else

DragonShea3/11/2016, 2:20:15 AM1 votes

Well I got a Sol, so fuck Targon and I hope Aurelion gets free.