@Riot Lore team Talon and Katarina Noxus in General

La Bello·10/19/2015, 8:08:34 PM·16 votes·1,803 views

Whats the deal between Kat and Talon. Are they friendly Rivals? Is Talon the closest thing to a brother Katarina has? we all know Talon is a real lone wolf typer person but does he enjoy Katarina's company? Do they Spar? Do they go out to lunch together? do they go on missions together?What does Talon think of Kats relationship with Garen?What does Talon think of Cassiopiea? is Cass still Kat's sister? Are Kat and Talon ever going to team up and figure out what the hell happened to thier dad/mentor Mr. Du Couteau? who was behind his abduction or death? We got a big bilgewater update and a big Shurma Update even a Freljord update. Could that be one of the main story lines for a Noxus Update?

Swain and LeBlanc know information about him and Its up to Katarina and Talon to "persuade" information out of them.

speaking of which wtf went on with J4 and LeBlanc conspiracy? Will the real J4 ever be saved (maybe re-released as a reworked champ ala Gangplank) What about Swains and LeBlancs masterplan?Is it halted or still in Motion? Was Cassiopiea + Shurima a part of it? Does Darius have plans of his own to take over Noxus with brute force (and shape it into his Ideal Noxus) or is he truly just the right hand of Swain? Whats LeBlancs end game plan anyway? To have Noxus completely take over all of Runeterra or to Revive the Black Rose? Are Urgot/Sion/Draven big players or just lackeys? (will Urgot ever get a VU?)

tl;dr ughhh so many Questions about Noxus. Noxus Update WHEN?

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WestTiger10/19/2015, 11:19:15 PM3 votes

Talon and Kat were basically raised as brother and sister, as far as we know. Talon seemed to have been raised by Du Couteau when he was already in his teens though, so it's not like they grew up together, but at least they must have trained together.

Though since he was created way past Katarina and Cassiopeia, he naturally is never ever mentioned in any of their League Judgement. So they might not be that close, but since they are standing together at the end of the JoJ, staring warily at Swain, at least they're connected by their mutual dislike of him.

Swain and LB basically completed the big masterplan they had going for 3-4 IRL years. Swain's the Grand General, like short of conquering Runeterra that was his main goal for years, and he did it. And LB helped him since her League Judgement, probably before that too cos they knew each other since their time in the Black Rose together.

Arguably, the 'bad guys won'. They actually had a proper story arc and everything compared to every other champion. The Journal of Justice basically was the story of Swain winning his way up to Grand General, which is pretty cool.

And Du Couteau, he knew about the conspiracy, and they got rid of him. Pretty much shown in both LB's League Judgement (Swain invited Du Couteau to meet with them, LB wasn't happy about that); and then in Cass' League Judgement, we're shown that Du Couteau knew he was being targeted and was called out by the Black Rose somewhere, where presumably he got killed.

Then in Talon's teaser comic, in the last panel, they show Beatrice and several rose thorns grown around one of Talon's blades; which is just a visual metaphor that Swain and LB knew Talon was trying to find out what happened Du Couteau.

What I want to know is whether the issue of Swain being their national leader now makes the whole thing a bit...messy. Talon probably doesn't care honestly, but Katarina strikes me as a nationalist in some way. And Swain, for all his underhanded means, is always mentioned to be a competent leader in his lore, so it's not like he's going to mess up actually governing more than Darkwill.

Also, what we know of Darius' personality is that he's not ambitious, he just wants a competent leader and he will only follow a leader that matches his expectations. And apparently he feels that Swain fulfills those expectations and is content to serve under him for his cause. Being that Noxus is heavily military-based, the chain-of-command attitude would reflect that.

Finally a little tidbit. 2 years ago after the JoJ where Swain takes over and Keiran gets executed, I did ask a Rioter about Boram's other son, Draythe Darkwill, who was mentioned in the JoJ as well but did not take part in the succession crisis because he abdicated his claim in favor of Keiran. The Rioter says that Draythe is still alive somewhere, and may play a part in the future should he return (in other words, Draythe is a possible future champion idea).

Tails Doll10/20/2015, 3:19:39 PM2 votes

FInd out on the next episodie of DBZ!

Ralanr10/19/2015, 10:28:39 PM1 votes

Anyone else think that Katarina is flat as a character? More so then Garen?

Sentinos10/20/2015, 5:59:59 AM1 votes

Yes pls.

Melledoneus10/20/2015, 1:23:46 PM1 votes

Talon was tasked by Marcus Du Couteau to look after his house in his absence, and after training him he disappeared. Katarina is known to be reckless and quick to make rash decisions, because it's her style of fighting. Talon is there to loosely watch over her especially, which was probably the reason why he was trained by the General for a few years before Swain took power. he qasMarcus Du Couteau was the person in question between Swain and Leblanc since he was the one person who was aristocratic but also problematic for Swain. Swain dared not remove Marcus from power through conditional means, but had to eliminate him because of his previous loyalty to Darkwill and overall secrecy. A good tactician makes sure there are no unknown variables.

Marcus Du Couteau may have possibly gone into hiding to uncover more about Swain because this sudden change in leadership may prove problematic for him, since he has knowledge of Darkwill's dealings and dabblings into necromancy. Now that Swain owns those secrets, Du Couteau needs to observe what is done with those secrets. Should Swain make a move on his house in his absence, he would expose himself publically as a usurper of power and lose public opinion, possibly being overthrown. Also, Swain himself would be vulnerable, leaving many things to Marcus Du Couteau's mercy. It was a smart move, and Swain knows it, so he's biding his time. Darius asked for nothing but a strong Noxus united under a leader, but he was hesitant because Darius isn't the most able or willing to delve into politics. When Swain emerged, Darius saw much promise in this man, as he was the ideal Noxian vision: Strong, fearless, and tactically superior.

Cassiopeia acted alone in seeking out Shurima, as she was just power-hungry. She never had a knack for hacking and slashing like her sister Katarina, and wealth was just a means to an end. Swain and House Du Couteau are individual entities: neither with the other.

The Leblanc/Swain deal was that Swain and Leblanc staged a battle in Kalamanda, with Leblanc posing as the crown prince himself. Nobody really knows why, but I suppose it was an attempt to get Demacia's attention in order to plant his spies in Demacia without any suspicion. Either that, or he planned to reconcile with Demacia and make a treaty in order to remove Demacia from the equation so he wouldn't face much resistance in his scheme.

Urgot is a man-made soldier, most likely used as a first-line defense of Noxus, seeing little use in battle and more as a fear factor. He is an avid fighter, using technology to do what he is told, but in general he isn't used often other than to deal with spies and assassins.

Draven is Noxus' executioner, and he takes pride in it. However, should the need ever arise, his unique style of axe throwing could be used as a long range destructive force in battle. He doesn't see much real battle, however, so he isn't exactly the best option. Regardless, he is experienced in fighting. Politically, Draven doesn't involve himself much unless it would involve himself. If Darius asks for his help (if that happens), Draven would most likely answer the call out of respect for his brother. He's a deadly force but one that is difficult to enlist the aid of, so he's left to his own egocentric devices.

Sion is a tool of war. He cares not for politics or allegiances. He is a creature made for war, the soul furnace powering him requiring more and more death to power it. Swain only would see it fit to release Sion should the need arise. He would most likely command his troops to fall back before releasing his behemoth of a weapon to endlessly carve a path of destruction through the enemy. He is merely the secret weapon of Noxus, and even Darius finds his existence a little unsettling. Only Swain knows how to contain Sion, and has him follow him around like a pet, showcasing his creation as a warning to all: mess with Noxus and you face the consequences.

Hope I cleared some things up.

DragonShea10/19/2015, 8:24:28 PM1 votes

You are not the only one. Noxus really need some more lore love. and I can't wait to see some of it. Maybe the Swain VU on PBE might a hint so let's cross our fingers.

Xano50110/20/2015, 4:54:43 PM1 votes

RIOT, do what you like and crash the lore more!

Troll for Trump10/19/2015, 9:30:03 PM1 votes

What is Talon, he does nothing to progress and advance lore..