Fiora's New Lore Overdoes the Patriarchy

Defin8lyNotScott·10/12/2015, 1:46:39 AM·20 votes·3,640 views

Dear Riot,

Previous to the new Fiora lore, female Demacian champions were all writen as admired and respected. They were acknowledged as competent and valuable members of the Demacian military and society, with jobs and lives of their own. Lestara Buvelle was the head of her house, and Sona and Vayne (as the last of their house) were presumed to also have that standing. When I joined the community there were (and still are) more female Demacian champions than male champions. The male champions were friends with the female champions and treated them well, without being condescending. Due to the example of Lux and Quinn, I extrapolated that women were not uncommon in the Demacian military. After all, only two of the male champions are tied closely with the army, Xin's job is in the palace and Lucian is a Purifier. I didn't envision a 50/50 ratio, but I at least thought it wasn't unusual or uncommon.

Given this textual evidence, I had assumed that Demacia had some form of equality. Not perhaps complete or total equality, but a certain measure of it nonetheless. And I was glad. Glad to find a fantasy realm where women were given admiration, respect, value, as if it were a natural thing. It was unlike the many patriarchal fantasy realms I'd seen before. I see now that I was mistaken. I'm sad for the loss, even if it was only my imagination.

The endemic sexism you portrayed implies a lot of things to me, and I'm not looking forward to them:

Kayle Kayle and Poppy Poppy are no longer honored guests and allies, but useful charity cases.

Lux Lux is no longer a decorated war hero, but the army's mascot (in everyone's eyes if not in truth).

JarvanIV Jarvan and Garen Garen are either sexist like everyone else, or despite being “The Exemplar” and “...the paradigm to which these leaders are compared,” they have such different attitudes from the general populace that nobody bothers to try and emulate them in this area.

Vayne Vayne is no longer a “grim warrior” with a tragic past, but a hysterical female driven mad by the deaths of her loved ones.

Lucian Lucian and Senna were not a team of equals, but a commander and his subordinate.

Sona Sona is pitied for the lack of a man in her life to take care of her, and is constantly under pressure to marry.

Shyvana Shyvanna is either seen as “not a woman” because of her draconic blood, or is seen as another charity case the prince took in out of pity.

Quinn Quinn's dream of becoming a knight was doubly impossible because she's a woman, and even now people think her advancement is due to something other than her skill and determination.

If you were attemting a societal statement, I applaund your effort, but I'm not such a fan of the execution. At this point the majority of people know that treating women as inferior is inappropriate, but not everyone knows how to treat them as equals. I found the silent example I imagined before Fiora's new lore was published far more powerful than the ham-handed cautionary tale it has turned into.

If you were trying to add a darker element to Demacian culture, I'd like to point out that Demacia already has many dark aspects without adding on a needless patriarchy. I quite enjoyed how Fiora's new lore touched on the harsh Demacian justice system. If the Demacian justice system is truly seen as crueler than even the Noxians', I would love to see that explored. Alternately there is the lock-step, hive-mind aspect of their culture where “Demacian ideals” are ingrained so firmly into each individual that diverging from societal standards is difficult if not impossible without some outside catalyst. Or the fact that they place duty above every personal desire, above the good of individuals (or even groups), above the good of their children (in the case of Lux). Lastly, we already know that Demacia is dedicated to erradicating “evil”, but what is their definition of evil? That alone could make for some horrifying territory to explore.

Thank you for your time.

75 Comments

TurquoiseYoshi10/12/2015, 2:16:51 AM12 votes

Some of your explanations take this a bit too far. First of all, the different classes of life probably have different morals and different uses for women. I can see your point on Lux, as she may as well be the army's mascot, and maybe Jarvan/Garen. However, the others are pretty off.

Kayle/Poppy: Both are foreigners and are likewise respected. Someone you don't understand is far more dangerous and spooky than someone that you see regularly at things.

Vayne: Nobody in Demacia probably liked her in the first place, since she was basically a less sexy MF. Not much is implied from learning that sexism exists in a world for a character like Vayne.

Lucian: Lower classes tend to have more respect for minorities, and Lucian probably wouldn't go so far to save someone who he just saw as a subordinate.

Sona: Nothing has ever made it look like she's pitied.

Shyvana: She's a fucking dragon. She'll eat your ass if you try any bullshit with her.

Quinn: The first part has some truth to it, but people probably realized that she advanced in the army due to things other than luck.

The Bearded Bard10/12/2015, 2:52:29 AM12 votes

Is this really surprising you? Did you know anything about Demacia before you read Fiora's new lore? Which, news flash, is the same as the old lore, but with a few more details and a new side story thing. Demacia has always self-righteous and morally eschewed justice obsessed city-state.

If you want a more female friendly environment, there's the Freljord, who seems perfectly fine treating everyone the same.

The Red Warden10/12/2015, 6:29:08 AM12 votes

Overeaction much? The new bio has patriarchy, does that matter so much that Demacia should get another retcon? What the bio did was give us more information about Demacia, without a drastic change in theme. It gives us more of a sense in how the upper classes work in the city-state, country, empire maybe? It tells us how the nobility are all about traditions and how they get upset with anything that breaks from this mold even slightly. This can open up quite a few interesting routes like the Lightshield's uncommon acceptance of outsiders (Xin, Shyvanna, Quinn).

It also gives us a reason for their hatred of Noxus; a place where anyone can become powerful, even those pitiful commoners. The nobility probably fear Noxus the most out of anyone in Demacia, due to the realization that if Noxus ever took over the first people's heads to roll would be those who gained their power through birthright (aka all Demacian nobility except for one specific individual). Fiora seems to be a Noxian clothed in Demacian titles, she had to earn her place, fighting her way there. This could be very interesting if it was brought up in a later political piece between Noxus and Demacian.

Starfish H10/12/2015, 5:30:22 AM9 votes

Are you kidding? Kayle would fit right in!

Garen How do you like our city?

Kayle Meh, it's alright.

Garen Aw that's a shame. Wait hold up. I got a message saying I need to keep justice in the barracks. The men are flirting with Quinn again. When will they learn? The last man who did that was attacked by her bird. Who scratched him repeadtly. In the eyes, gouging them out. We had to send him to Shen and get him a little appointment with LeeSin.

Kayle Wait did you say justice?

Garen Uhh yeah?

Kayle Exactly how much "justice" do you guys have?

Garen Well we have like 30 laws on jaywalking, 20 laws on chewing gum, 47 laws about breathing, and 1738 laws about Noxus. I also have a justice system of my own. In which if anyone kills anyone the most I kill them.

Kayle So much justice!! JUSTIIICEEE!

Garen Oh are we screaming Justice? Well then, JUSTICCEE!

JarvanIV JUSTICCEE!!!

Poppy PEACCCCEE!!!

Riven REDEMPTION!!!

Draven DRAAAAAAAAAAAVEEEEENNN

Garen Kayle JarvanIV Poppy Riven ...........

Draven I guess I'll go Draven over here, in this corner, all the way in Noxus.

Solideus10/12/2015, 6:46:30 AM6 votes

I think "the patriarchy" was emphasized in her bio because it's especially important to her own story. It may be more overt in the noble houses than in other contexts; Lux being a military mage might not be looked down upon in the same way because she's from a military family.

They are similar in the sense that they are expected to serve their families' needs rather than their own ambitions, though. That seems to be the larger truth in Demacia; it's kind of fascist.

The Soulforged10/12/2015, 5:13:24 PM3 votes

If they're going to give Demacia shades of grey, at least don't make them 100% conflict with what we already know a fair bit about Demacia. We know that many women were in high ranking positions, and that they at least had some close to equal terms with men from Demacia. We also know that the guy who let poppy stay seemed to be a genuinely good guy, but I could understand dislike from other areas. If we see her becoming a charity case, I'd dislike it, but I also don't want her stay in Demacia to be all happy happy.

GreenLore10/12/2015, 6:40:14 PM2 votes

It was said that fioras position in her house was due to being the youngest daughter of the house,implying that her being the lastborn also had an effect on her position.

Also i think you are exaggerating here quite a bit. Yes it is mentioned that a woman being the leader of a nobles house is decried,but you seem to be under the impression that it is common to see demacian women as inferior in every position.

Women are most likely still respected in the army and just because sexism exists in demacia,doesn't mean it is socially accepted(after all fiora is still allowed to be the head of her house)

UomoAfide10/12/2015, 4:03:04 PM1 votes

Are we really sure that this sexism is openly present in the Demacian society or is it just the fact that Fiora comes from a house who saw it's honor unredeemeably ruined? Considering how much honor dictates the prestige and success of a house, is it really surprising that Fiora is always the subject of malevolence of other houses? At least, that is just my hopinion on the matter.

Pew Pew Lasers10/12/2015, 5:38:06 PM1 votes

If you thought Demacians where nice guys you should probably take a few seconds to read up on Diana who used to be a Demacian.

When she attained the powers of the moon god. She returned and wanting to promote the worship of both sun and moon god to double Demacian power. Demacia tried to kill her as a heretic.