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TheBentOn36 votes

Best lore of the Targon series so far. By far. Really loveing Sols character.

Also hoping the mocking void entity in his story turns out to be Chogath

Stars Shaper2 votes

I don't think so, while Cho and other "modern" voidlings such as Kog and Vel are surely smarter than what Sol was fighting they all emphasize a devouring instinct while the "mind" behind them seems to have a more complex personality that might have some sort of evilness.

DWT123455 votes

Yeah, most of the void champs have just one desire.

Velkoz Wants nothing but knowledge, Chogath Wants to devour everything he can Khazix Wants to constantly evolve himself.

I have a feeling the void entity is either going to be a champion released with the upcoming event (assuming its a void event) or Baron, although that would be a lot less exciting.

Marbelara1 votes

Or maybe it's "Daddy".

TheImpLord1 votes

I feel ilaos 'what god created you' line along with malz's exsistance hints at their being a godlike being in the void that is so huge it puts the star dragon to shame.

The Ender Cobra1 votes

"the tales of several Aspects manifesting has spread a pall of fear and uncertainty around the mountain. For what threat might be arising that requires the power of so many powerful beings to fight?" the laughing whole in the void. What if the aspects fight it, aren't strong enough, and then they promise aurelion his freedom to kill it?

Think about it...

it makes sense

Mogarl2 votes

Cho'gath is only about eating? No. His lines I look at lines

With 17 lines of unique dialogue ignoring duplicates and his evil as fuck laughs •3 of them mention eating •3 are about corrupting summoners random people he speaks to •2 are his views on the residents of runeterra. •1 is his allegiance to "the darkness" (Noc x Cho confirmed) •9 are him putting fear into the lesser beings •1 joke that may reference his hand in void "social" structure (a creature that only hungers would have no need of tangled webs) •1 random attacking dialouge that is probably just snark (more personality) (there is some crossover)

Aline I would like to call attention to in particular is "Death is not the end for you, I have seen to it. For eternity, you are mine!", because this implies directly that he cares much more for torment than he does eating.

Overall 3 lines don't really classify as "only about eating". You could even say he really only cares to say those because he Knows it puts the fear in people.

Laughing Fish1 votes

He is not about eating, he is about consuming. He eats the body sure, but he devours the soul, he devours the mind, and given his way he would consume existence itself.

The Ender Cobra2 votes

The fish is right

Mogarl2 votes

Cho eats, that is not untrue, and I have put some thought into what it really means to be eaten by Cho. After all according to Aurelion Sol some voidlings don't burn in starfire because they aren't aware they are supposed to, something that means a lot if you read into it.

However my main point is that while other voidlings talk about what they do and really don't deviate from that

KogMaw Eats. Although his lore does indicate he is somewhat child-like in his exploration; he does all the exploring with his mouth.

Khazix Consume and adapt. He wants to become the greatest predator. Kha'zix is much more goal orientated than Cho or Kog and is also the only voidling besids Cho to show a sense of humor or other humanish emotions.

Velkoz Consume and learn. I don't have to argue much on this Vel himself says his only purpose is to consume and learn.

All three of the other void creatures besides Cho have an obsession with their consumption whereas Cho talks about making people feel terror and what isn't him telling you that you should be afraid is him saying things that will make you afraid. On top of this Cho doesn't consume fear he eats (anything alive?) and does the fear on the side for fun. No other void creatures have a hobby and that's what sets him apart, his desires beyond consumption.

(as fair game kog is young and could end up in a similar state as cho once he matured)

Highh1 votes

Dosent Vel incinerate stuff not consume cause he has no mouth

Mogarl1 votes

I was going to phrase it differently, but when I reviewed the lore of these champions when I made this post Consume and learn is how Vel'koz phrases it himself in his lore. So from this I would guess that to "consume" for a Voidborn may have a different meaning than to "consume" as you would eat a steak or salad or whatever you eat for sustenance.

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kile1476 votes

I feel that the biggest revelation is that the Void is confirmed as another plane of existence that has an intelligence that is trying to invade Runeterra's plane. It's definitely not another physical location (which it could've been especially with the lore rework), and its inhabitants aren't just "falling" through.

Stars Shaper2 votes

The Overmind comes for you :3

La Barbotte4 votes

XCOM 3 : runeterra

RiotBioluminescence6 votes

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XCOM 3 : runeterra

I'd play it.

Impetual1 votes

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FastAsHeck9 votes

you are the reason rioters rarely talk to us

kile1474 votes

"Oh dangit, I got Gangplank killed... again"

RiotRiotJaredan6 votes

I just got blistered by a sudden explosion of rushing wind. Ahh, that'll be Sharjo.

Fasmodey4 votes

Wow, we're probably going to have a void event. Can't wait.

The mind that Aurelion Sol sensed is also going to be a champion in the future in my opinion.

They're creating another hype, RITO PLS.

Wheatloaf2 votes

I cannot contain my excitement at the prospect of a Void event. Hold on while I go change my pants.

charcharmunro1 votes

I don't think it's a new one. I think it's Cho'Gath. "Hungry and indomitable".

Karfuss8 votes

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I don't think it's a new one. I think it's Cho'Gath. "Hungry and indomitable".

They ALL hunger for something, all desiring a goal or something they must satisfy.

Cho'gath hungers for fear, mayhem and depravity. Kha'zix seeks perfection through adaptation. Kog'maw seeks to devour everything and grow. Rek'sai claims territory and hunts all those within it. She hungers for dominance. Vel'koz thirsts for knowledge, seeking omniscience.

A void creature being hungry for something and that cannot be subdued could mean anything at this point.

What we do know, however, is that this creature is more complex than any other voidborn we've seen. It's more intelligent, it has more complex hungers and it laughed in the face of one of the most powerful champions to ever grace the Rift, let alone Runeterra. Whatever it is, it isn't something we've encountered before and it sure as hell is immensely powerful.

My personal theory is that the Void itself is sentient with a hunger to claim all, and that these rifts opening aren't a coincidence, it's the Void breaking through the boundaries of whatever separates the two realms and sending forth monstrosities to weaken Runeterra's champions, and thus weaken Runeterra's defence for when the Void unleashes itself upon the world.

TheBentOn32 votes

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They ALL hunger for something, all desiring a goal or something they must satisfy.

Cho'gath hungers for fear, mayhem and depravity. Kha'zix seeks perfection through adaptation. Kog'maw seeks to devour everything and grow. Rek'sai claims territory and hunts all those within it. Vel'koz thirsts for knowledge, seeking omniscience.

A void creature being hungry for something and that cannot be subdued could mean anything at this point.

What we do know, however, is that this creature is more complex than any other voidborn we've seen. It's more intelligent, it has more complex hungers and it laughed in the face of one of the most powerful champions to ever grace the Rift, let alone Runeterra. Whatever it is, it isn't something we've encountered before and it sure as hell immensely powerful.

That's what kind of makes me think might be Cho, in the old lore he is very unique among champions in that he was powerful enough to force his way into the league, past anything the summoners put up to stop it. It was also heavily implied that while Cho was content to follow the rules of the institute of war while he learned about runeterra, that he could break free from the league whenever he felt like it. No other champions in the old lore had that kind of power. I feel like he might be similarly strong here.

Karfuss1 votes

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That's what kind of makes me think might be Cho, in the old lore he is very unique among champions in that he was powerful enough to force his way into the league, past anything the summoners put up to stop it. It was also heavily implied that while Cho was content to follow the rules of the institute of war while he learned about runeterra, that he could break free from the league whenever he felt like it. No other champions in the old lore had that kind of power. I feel like he might be similarly strong here.

We're forgetting that Cho'gath is on Runeterra. He no longer resides within the Void and doesn't have the ability to pass in and out whenever he sees fit. In addition to that, Aurelion Sol would've prior been aware of Cho'gath's presence, whereas his lore describes the presence within the void as something alien even to him. This is the same Aurelion Sol that forges the universe itself and is the most powerful being to grace Runeterra, who called this presence powerful.

The Institute no longer exists in the current lore, and I'm sure the summoners wouldn't be able to contain some of the champions that have arrived since. Even then, many fought for the Institute out of their own volition, so it would be unfair to compare their power to Cho'gath.

TheBentOn32 votes

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We're forgetting that Cho'gath is on Runeterra. He no longer resides within the Void and doesn't have the ability to pass in and out whenever he sees fit. In addition to that, Aurelion Sol would've prior been aware of Cho'gath's presence, whereas his lore describes the presence within the void as something alien even to him. This is the same Aurelion Sol that forges the universe itself and is the most powerful being to grace Runeterra, who called this presence powerful.

The Institute no longer exists in the current lore, and I'm sure the summoners wouldn't be able to contain some of the champions that have arrived since. Even then, many fought for the Institute out of their own volition, so it would be unfair to compare their power to Cho'gath.

Here's the thing though, Sols story clearly occurred in the distant past. The shurimans were just beginning construction on their sun-disc and the aspect of Pantheon was a woman. Cho very well could have still been in the void orchestrating things back then, and only recently arrived on runeterra himself.

Karfuss2 votes

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Here's the thing though, Sols story clearly occurred in the distant past. The shurimans were just beginning construction on their sun-disc and the aspect of Pantheon was a woman. Cho very well could have still been in the void orchestrating things back then, and only recently arrived on runeterra himself.

Aurelion Sol has still been present on Runeterra since then, he wasn't sent away only to be recently resummoned. He is still bound to the will of the Targonians, the Aspects because he still adorns their crown. He'd recognise the presence, and he does not.

It simply isn't Cho'gath.

RiotRiotJaredan5 votes

Us? Hype? Naww.

In all seriousness, loving all of the speculation here.

Impetual1 votes

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MasqureMan8 votes

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Jaredan: The Head Of Lore Corruption at Riot Games.

Just take an honest look at how much of the original lore of the League Of Legends has been messed up under his watch...Most of it, it seems.

Don't buy into his crap.

If you want people to take you seriously, stop acting like there's an agenda against lore by the people who get paid to make it and enhance it. You aren't furthering any cause by lashing out because you feel wronged.

Sharjo7 votes

I'll buy in to his crap because I'm liking his crap. It's very well written and makes me want more!

Fasmodey1 votes

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Us? Hype? Naww.

In all seriousness, loving all of the speculation here.

You killed my excitiment. :(

Fasmodey3 votes

Okay, I read all of story. These are what I got.

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Aurelion Sol is born with birth of lol universe, he is probably much older than Bard.

He is the creator of stars and he cares about his stars so much, he even accept to bown to Targon, rather than seeing death of his stars.

Aurelion Sol is controlled by a crowd that is magical. This crowd enforces Aurelion Sol to make everything that Targon says, if he doesn't, with every insubordination, a star dies. It gives him unimaginable emotional pain.

This case happens even before the Shurima's Fall, which is actually 1 millenium old in current timeline. So, Aurelion Sol is controlled by Targon for at least 1 millenium.

Sun Disc is builded by an unnamed emperor's command.

Shuriman magic is familiar to Aurelion Sol, which confirms ascended powers come from celestial magic if not exactly itself. There is highly chance they're using his corrupted version. We can also say arcane and celestial energy are 2 sides of a coin.

Shuriman Empire is the most advanced society of his time, confirmed by Aurelion Sol.

There is a huge Void Portal in Targon and Pantheon wants it locked. He commands Aurelion Sol for closing this portal but even Aurelion Sol admits and feel bad about this portal's energy. He figures out a really strong will and sense its power beyond this portal. This entity also laughes to him. Not something acceptable for Aurelion Sol, so that's why he gladly destroys the portal.

Pantheon was in a woman body before Atreus.

Magic on Aurelion Sol gets weaker and weaker, so that's why Targon starts to be afraid of from himself.

Zenthon Prime3 votes

Gem crown? Is Taric the emperor of some interstellar Targonian empire?

Karfuss3 votes

His lore is just so sad. An ancient being born at the dawn of the universe itself creating countless celestial wonders that innumerable civilizations look up at in awe, and the one planet, the one civilization he trusted and thought worthy to witness his magnificence ends up stabbing him in the back and forces him into a millennia of servitude, commanding him to fight other celestial beings he has known since the beginning of time.

Frankly, I'm not surprised he's pissed.

Pyrodinium3 votes

"He clashed with other cosmic entities, some of which he had known since the dawn of time."

Damn. The Targonians Aspects seem to be terrible people.

charcharmunro1 votes

Makes me wonder... Y'know, what else there IS that's a cosmic entity in League. Bard and Kindred obviously. Also makes me wonder if Kindred is, like, Death for the whole universe, or JUST Runeterra.

...Does this mean Aurelion and Bard were buds? That'd be fun.

Fasmodey1 votes

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Makes me wonder... Y'know, what else there IS that's a cosmic entity in League. Bard and Kindred obviously. Also makes me wonder if Kindred is, like, Death for the whole universe, or JUST Runeterra.

...Does this mean Aurelion and Bard were buds? That'd be fun.

Kindred is Death of only Runeterra.

ArbiterOfTruth1 votes

What limits Kindred to only Runeterra?

Fasmodey1 votes

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What limits Kindred to only Runeterra?

Ask to Riot, I dont know. They didn't say anything about it expect this information that I gave. You had a good point though.

cool1651 votes

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Makes me wonder... Y'know, what else there IS that's a cosmic entity in League. Bard and Kindred obviously. Also makes me wonder if Kindred is, like, Death for the whole universe, or JUST Runeterra.

...Does this mean Aurelion and Bard were buds? That'd be fun.

the entire void is alive and possessed malzahar so theres that i guess. so the void, Bard Kindred aurelian sol and illaois tentacle god maybe?

Warlord Dienekes3 votes

Welp, looks like the Targonians are a bag of dicks who like enslaving people cough Atreus cough and I have been successfully turned against my favorite champion.

Burn 'em Sol. All of 'em, I don't care.

Fayt Loki2 votes

Interesting to note that he wasn't enslaved through a trick exactly but a gift instead( I would be pretty annoyed if my gift I got from my fans enslaved me.) and that pretty much, current Targon is thanks to him. Would hate to be the Targon residents once Aurelion Sol breaks free.

Pyrodinium2 votes

How was that not a trick?

sp4412 votes

I like it, it made Sol feel less like of a condescending asshole.

Stars Shaper2 votes

Holy.. shizzle.. in the... wizzle.

This was EPIC. I devoured each sentence of it and I revel in my catching of how he got himself "tricked into servitude". I really liked how the color text was a first person diary-like tale, it really gave the point of view of such a being and helped understand a real lot of his character.

Can't wait to play him and can't wait to see new Taric (dat star-gems crown).

Grade A Alex2 votes

The creative team writing the stuff for Mount Targon needs a goddamn raise if they haven't gotten one already, especially twin dawns. I think some important points people have already mentioned but I'd like to expand on.

-Firstly, the nature of Aurelion's imprisonment. He's stuck working for Targon or they(it?) kill his star children. We're not sure if it's simply blackmail or he is compelled to follow orders with dire consequences if he refuses through inaction or willful harm. He cares for each star like a child, but also almost like a piece of himself (like an artist cherishing their work). One thing that I feel really need to point out that I haven't seen people discuss yet though is that Aurelion is literally the antithesis of the void. He creates energy from nothing, and not just a little, he wills self-sustaining generators of pure heat and light into being with a flick of his hand. The void is like entropy, consuming everything that exists and giving nothing back, whether by need or some purpose is unclear. It seems pretty clear that Aurelion's greatest fear is that all of his works vanish from the sky, yes because they are his children and yes because existence would be less beautiful but I also think it may be because that's literally an unfathomable amount of matter just POOF gone. It's a victory for entropy. It may seem out there but when you consider a lot of Aurelion Sol's concept and lore is based off of not only astronomy but theoretical physics, the fact that entropy might have a lot to do with his motivation for star forging may not be so far-fetched.

-Secondly, Aurelion has figured out HOW to rebuke the enchantment. He knows how it works, he knows there's a caveat and he's so confident of it he's literally risking the wellbeing of his children to put fear into the heart of Targon. Which may have something to do with the next point.

-It's weird that Patheon's aspect literally kills Atreus to use his body, but Leona and Diana keep their personalities? Maybe the aspects behave differently, or maybe it does have to do with a shift in focus on how Targon plans to deal with the Void rifts, which seems to be their focus for Aurelion's imprisonment.

-Finally, there are some very subtle clues as to who the voice in the rift is, and I do believe it is Cho'Gath. The first thing that Aurelion notices is the lack of mindlessness and purpose in the creature. It mocks Aurelion. Next little bit is conjecture here, so bear with. The voice doesn't seem too bothered by the fact that pantheon has literally called a celestial star dragon to close it's rift. It seems amused, almost like a cat toying with it's prey. Kind of like how Aurelion reacts to Pantheon telling him to close the rift. A sort of amusement at someone who has just signed their own death warrant. One thing I've noticed about what Riot consistently mentions with Cho lorewise is that he is scarily intelligent. He has some sort of knowledge we are not aware of that made him join the league in the first place and allow himself to be controlled by summoners. The idea that Cho toys with his prey is a theme that is repeated in his lines, he talks about keeping his captors alive for eternity to torment, he talks about the fact that, the webs we weave ARE tangled (whatever that means to him). His thinking is not only complex, but deliberately vague. All we know is that he's having fun while he's doing it. Also he had his spell icons sneakily changed about, REWERK CURNFURMED.Chogath

This whole thing just spits of lovecraft so much it hurts I love it so much, thank you lore team. This is the most I've ever been excited to discuss League lore.

Edit: Reread twin dawns and have a revision to make. Apparently whatever is letting Aurelion weaken his bonds to Targon is on Runeterra. Not completely sure of what that power could be, but it could have something to do with mystery champ #2.

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

I think a portal to the void is near Targon with all those void references in the lores...

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