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Bard Enforces Detirminism And Must Be Destroyed

Cardinal Sinveil·7/2/2016, 7:59:05 PM·4 votes·1,359 views

I mean has anyone looked at Bard and though about his actions in this perspective ? He interferes and stops/alters certain events so that history unfolds in the way that it "should" unfold. Not only does his existence prove that in the world of Valoran there are no other multiple dimensions (because if there were Bard wouldn't be needed as all scenarios could unfold) but it also means that Bard literally enforces a certain kind of fate upon all beings.

Just imagine if such a being just (seemingly) "randomly" interferred in our world ? Sure, "accidents" like Hitler wouldn't happen but what if Bard was the one who killed John Kennedy? Political conspiracy aside, let's look at this from a LoL Lore point of view.

Firstly, Bard does not appear to be of the "Good" alignment. After all, he doesn't mind things like Vel'Koz appearing, Lissandra and Swain seizing power in their respective domains, Mordekaiser re-emerging after centuries of effor to put him down and etc. If Bard was Good-aligned (and I mean the standard Good not the "you just dont comprehend what I am doing" good) it would STILL be a horrible thing that he enforces a certain chain of event like some kind of metaphysical dictatorship. But even this is NOT the case. Bard obviously has his own agenda, and nobody really knows what/who he serves. He just casually pops up and changes certain circumstances (like the destruction of the egg in his teaser video). Again, even if he really does turn out to be a Good/Neutral aligned character I view him as a dictator. An unquestioning enforces of whoever he serves's Will.

Sidenote

Whenever he shows up to interfer with a certain situation, we can assume that some people that _would _ have died , do not. In that case, because of Bard these people avoid Death. They are, in my opinion, not different from the other Shadow Isles champions - because of Bard. Bard turned them into the abominations the Kindred claim to hate. Why then, do the Kindred not hate Bard ? Imagine that the Kindred feel that a person is about to meet his end. However, Bard shows up and this person does not die. I would not find it surprising that there would be conflict between the 2 cosmical entities in this situation.

Thank you for your time.

17 Comments

Ebonmaw Dragon7/2/2016, 8:38:19 PM7 votes

You dont understand Bard, he doesnt actually cares about Runterra, he cares about the existance of all the dimensions and he only interferes when the structure of the whole universe is threatened... and the very existence of EVERYTHING is in danger.

If he saves someone or something, he is not saving that person/thing, he is preventing a domino effect that will end with the reality itelf (of multiple dimensions).

And about Kindred, it seems like Wolf dislikes Bard http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/f1/Kindred.tauntBard01.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20150916183325

But they dont hate him.

PS: Its confirmed that Bard travels though multiple dimensions and Aurelion Sol even mentions that in game, so its silly to say that "his existence prove that in the world of Valoran there are no other multiple dimensions"

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/2/2c/AurelionSol.tauntBard01.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20160309222601

Arakadia7/2/2016, 9:20:09 PM2 votes

Bard is luv, bard is lyfe

Swain seizing power in their respective domains,

Swain isn't necesarilly evil. Other ethics aren't necesarilly evil. Swain doesn't enjoy killing or like to torture people. He just wants to lead his country to the best it can be, and won't let anyone stop him.

Bard does not choose how things happen. He stops negative events from affecting and destroying several realms.

Bard is not a dictator for the same reason your saying he isn't good. He may not like the VoidBorn or Watchers but currently they are not threatening any dimensions. As said in his lore, he only swoops in to catch the world from utter annihilation when it is absolutely necessary. He doesn't do it for fun anytime he wants.

I think the Kindred understand that Bard acts for the greater good and only swings the worlds destiny at the greatest moments and only as little as needed. Bard did not stop the Shadow Isles because he must let the worlds take its course. The Shadow Isles, according to his current knowledge, are not dimension-threatening. Bard is good. He does not fix every little problem, he takes on the big problems.

Bard does not serve anyone from our knowledge. He is a celestial and I doubt they have masters. Bard does not change the world for himself. He only changes things when he must and as little as needed.

Cool analysis. We don't know alot about bard and this was interesting.

Meep Man7/4/2016, 3:11:33 PM2 votes

Bard doesn't make things go down the path he chooses, he makes things go down the path of least destruction. He keeps the universe away from destruction, interfering in large to small ways. The reason he doesn't stop some huge, cataclysmic events is because some of those events need to happen for the world to better in the long run, such as perhaps a hero is born from such events that will both stop the cause of said events and then go on to make the world a better place than it was before the events. Bard is an all knowing being that can bend space and, likely, time. He can see into the future and determine the correct path for the universe to take so that it does not end in destruction. He does not force a path of his own will, he forces a path of least destruction. At current time, his choices may seem monstrous, but the world will likely be better off in the long run with such events happening.

Also, Kindred likely knows all this since they both are "guardians" of reality, so she can't really be mad at him since she knows whatever he allows to happen will likely end up making the world a better place.

ALSO, Bard doesn't serve anyone. He serves reality and takes care of it. It's in his title.

P.S. A quote from Aurelion Sol proves there are multiple dimensions that Bard does in fact travel through. However, whether these dimensions are multiple, different realities is another question.

Cardinal Sinveil7/2/2016, 10:54:25 PM1 votes

Excuse me for disagreeing (post is refering to both Ebonwam Dragon & Arakadia's replies) but... none of this makes sense. For which dimension exactly does Bard seem to care about ? If there are MANY versions of Runeterra then all kinds of scenarios unfold including - The Shadow Isles never being created, Azir never being betrayed, the Watchers never arriving, ~~Katarina never cheating on Garen with Talon~~. It jsut means that Bard's interference is meaningless.

Another thing we seem to have to assume is that Valoran serves a pivotal role for the existence of EVERYTHING. Now, I know that the entire plot is obviously centered around LoL's Planet but... this assumptions just seems foolish. You can't expect the existence of EVERYTHING to depend on just some insignificant artefacts located on some insignificant continent on one little planet in one tiny solar system in a galaxy that's (probably) barely out of it's diapers (cookie if you get the reference). So yeah it just strikes me as either Bard's agenda and thus existence is completely devoid of purpose or he just wishes to impose his own/his master's will upon our world and has certain interest in certain "things" happening.

And yes, I do find it quite natural that the Kindred dislike Bard. Infact, I find it quite appropriate if they have outright open conflict with it. And the fact that only Wolf has a quote against Bard leads me to to the thought that Wolf is the one who will "claim" Bard. And what types of creatures does Wolf claim ? Creatures that are afraid of Death. It just goes to show that Bard has some kind of agenda and is not willing to die until it is done. Whatever his agenda is (i.e. good/neutral/evil) it still threatens the Free Will of all of Valoran and even the cosmos beyond it.

GreenLore7/5/2016, 4:38:06 PM1 votes

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I mean has anyone looked at Bard and though about his actions in this perspective ? He interferes and stops/alters certain events so that history unfolds in the way that it "should" unfold.

That logic is rather flawed if you ask me,because every action taken by someone changes the outcome of the history,just because bard does it on a bigger scale doesn't mean it is suddenly unfair that he does it.

And in general Bard seems to work for the greater good,meaning that if he wouldn't intervine it would cause much bigger catastrophes.

Hellpyre7/7/2016, 5:49:40 PM1 votes

Not only does his existence prove that in the world of Valoran there are no other multiple dimensions

Actually, there could be a Bard with a different agenda for each dimesion. Or, and I know you don't want to open up this can of worms, but there could be multiple without infinite dimensions.