Is he really evil? He legitamately believes taht what he is doing is right - hell, the argument can even be made that it is. I would take immortality, invulnerability, and freedom from mortality/pain if I could. Sure, he's a bit messed in the head, but he isn't really obsessed with DEATH as his quotes seems to reflect - more undeath.
Thoughts?
Trylobyte3 votesIs Karthus evil? Put simply, yes. Karthus is evil. When you strip away all the sophistry, all the big words, all the constructs, he's become a serial killer. He's killing people and enslaving their souls. Sure he thinks it's for their own good, but he doesn't think normally anymore. He's evil by most standards but good from his own alien point of view.
If a guy walks up to your house, says that death is the answer to all your problems, and gives you a pamphlet, you'd probably think he's a freak. If he walks up to your house, says that death is the answer to all your problems, and shoots you in the face, that's Karthus.
Ebonmaw Dragon1 votesIs Karthus evil? Put simply, yes. Karthus is evil. When you strip away all the sophistry, all the big words, all the constructs, he's become a serial killer. He's killing people and enslaving their souls. Sure he thinks it's for their own good, but he doesn't think normally anymore. He's evil by most standards but good from his own alien point of view.
If a guy walks up to your house, says that death is the answer to all your problems, and gives you a pamphlet, you'd probably think he's a freak. If he walks up to your house, says that death is the answer to all your problems, and shoots you in the face, that's Karthus.
Actually, he is not the one slaving their souls, that is the job of Mordekaiser and the Black Mist.
BeatinWarDrumz1 votesIs Karthus evil? Put simply, yes. Karthus is evil. When you strip away all the sophistry, all the big words, all the constructs, he's become a serial killer. He's killing people and enslaving their souls. Sure he thinks it's for their own good, but he doesn't think normally anymore. He's evil by most standards but good from his own alien point of view.
If a guy walks up to your house, says that death is the answer to all your problems, and gives you a pamphlet, you'd probably think he's a freak. If he walks up to your house, says that death is the answer to all your problems, and shoots you in the face, that's Karthus.
he doesnt enslave their souls - he simply frees them of mortal concerns. If someone doesn't want something to happen, but it's for their own good, and someone else does it then I don't see how that's evil
Trylobyte1 voteshe doesnt enslave their souls - he simply frees them of mortal concerns. If someone doesn't want something to happen, but it's for their own good, and someone else does it then I don't see how that's evil
I've decided that, for your own good, you should have your eyes ripped out, your eardrums ruptured, your tongue removed, and your nose plugged so that no bad things can ever reach your senses. Also, you're to be confined in a totally empty room and shackled so you can't move, so you can't commit any harm to others. Further, your skin will be regularly flayed off in strips so you stay clean. And I don't care what you think because I'm older and wiser and therefore I know what's best for you. It's the only way to keep you safe from the temptation to commit evil deeds. It's for your own good.
Yeah, did I come across like a psychopath there? Sit down a second and consider the sort of behavior you're trying to defend and the grounds you're trying to defend it on.
Hell is full of good intentions. Heaven is full of good deeds.
BeatinWarDrumz1 votesI've decided that, for your own good, you should have your eyes ripped out, your eardrums ruptured, your tongue removed, and your nose plugged so that no bad things can ever reach your senses. Also, you're to be confined in a totally empty room and shackled so you can't move, so you can't commit any harm to others. Further, your skin will be regularly flayed off in strips so you stay clean. And I don't care what you think because I'm older and wiser and therefore I know what's best for you. It's the only way to keep you safe from the temptation to commit evil deeds. It's for your own good.
Yeah, did I come across like a psychopath there? Sit down a second and consider the sort of behavior you're trying to defend and the grounds you're trying to defend it on.
Hell is full of good intentions. Heaven is full of good deeds.
a: im not religious B: unlike you, karthus IS right
Chromatic Eagle2 votesHe's killing them and damning them to the Black Mist.
Craft Zeppelin2 votesHe is an enemy to the living, but to some he is a darn savior. Like remember the sailor that guided him to the shadow isles, he had a tremendous debt. lost his wife and had nothing to lose. Even if he returned to bilgewater its quite predictable he will live a damned life, possibly more damned than unlife.
The only part karthus is twisted is that he views life as a curse, not on the same coin with death, and does not accept that view. But aside from that he is a really kind man with pure intentions.
FurriesAreHot1 votesIt's like a comic character in a super hero comic. Also on a side not, it's like pseudo Doctor Doom, because doom is doing good, even that God-celestial-creature-thing told him that all futures except the one Doom rules have a terrible fate
Stars Shaper1 votesHe is a zealot and a fanatic of his way, seeing as he forces other ppl to die and be reborn under the influence of the mist that deprives them of their will I consider him...
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He is a zealot and a fanatic of his way, seeing as he forces other ppl to die and be reborn under the influence of the mist that deprives them of their will I consider him...
yeah, but in the end of the day it's for their own good
parents force their kids to do things all the time that they don't do but ultimately realize are beneficial
Stars Shaper1 votesThat could be put next to what mentally ill thinking goes rather than common parents.
Mentally ill ppl assume behaviors that can be violent and evil but it's totally different how they live them and the perception of the world they have. Lets be honest, Karthus mind had probably flipped the moment he saw his sisters die putting into light a propensity of the boy to the "illness" and what he found on the Shadow Islands prdeated on that illness fueling his view of the world.
Edit: I'm not telling he is a bad guy and that he does it with the intention of hurting others but his deeds and thinking are undoubtly evil.
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That could be put next to what mentally ill thinking goes rather than common parents.
Mentally ill ppl assume behaviors that can be violent and evil but it's totally different how they live them and the perception of the world they have. Lets be honest, Karthus mind had probably flipped the moment he saw his sisters die putting into light a propensity of the boy to the "illness" and what he found on the Shadow Islands prdeated on that illness fueling his view of the world.
Edit: I'm not telling he is a bad guy and that he does it with the intention of hurting others but his deeds and thinking are undoubtly evil.
How is giving people immortality and freedom from mortal afflictions even if it is against their will evil?
Stars Shaper1 votesPpl are forced and the tutoring parents similarity doesn't count because we are talking about adult ppl that know the facts of the world.
Once undead, the Black Mist will control them depriving them of free will.
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Ppl are forced and the tutoring parents similarity doesn't count because we are talking about adult ppl that know the facts of the world.
Once undead, the Black Mist will control them depriving them of free will.
he is much older than all of the people he is converting, so he is still much wiser
That is not true - unlike morde or thresh, because he is not directly connected to the SI, presumably the spirits he converts become much like him but less powerful
BattleOxe1 votesWell, Evil is the metter of perspective
1374341 votesHe legitamately believes taht what he is doing is right - hell, the argument can even be made that it is.
That doesn't mean he is not evil. Most "evil" people think what they are doing is right. They don't just wake up and roll out of bed and say hey I think I'll be evil today.
It is, as someone earlier said, a matter of perspective, and one that is often shaped by the victors.
BeatinWarDrumz1 votesThat doesn't mean he is not evil. Most "evil" people think what they are doing is right. They don't just wake up and roll out of bed and say hey I think I'll be evil today.
It is, as someone earlier said, a matter of perspective, and one that is often shaped by the victors.
The thing is... it is for the greater good, and he thinks it is for the greater good.
Honestly, I know this is gonna sound creepy, but he is a savior - savior from the fear, pain, and briefness of mortality. As a matter of fact, as demonstrated in his long lore, the souls of the ppl he enslaves do NOT get enslaved, which is what differs him from morde and thresh.
1374341 votesI actually agree with you, I was just pointing out that him (or anyone) believing what he (they) is (are) doing is right is not really the appropriate litmus test for determining if someone is evil or not.
GreenLore1 votesIt is difficult to tell how the shadow isles actually make the people submissive. Hecarim says that it is the role of the chain warden to enslave the spirits,so while karthus doesn't do it,someone else might do it in his place.
Also the black mist does seem to corrupt the peoples minds to different degrees(threshs lore mentions this),so it is questionable how good undeath is for different persons.
pepper buddy1 votesThe thing with Karthus is that while yes he is fully aware of his actions and sees them as good and just. Because liberation from pain and suffering feels like a good thing at first he is the only one that actually can appreciate his state of being. As shown in his lore he kills people no matter if they want it or not. So unlike himself who embraced death and thus retained his identity. The same can probably not be applied to his victims.
As shown in the case of Hecarim and Kalista, When the victim is unwiling to embrace death their identity is erased and they simply become a tool to the Mist (and maybe Morde? I havent really worked that part out yet)
So Karthus does not really free anyone really, for that one living who willingly embraces death their are millions who resist and simply becomes slaves.
