Riot is sitting on a goldmine and doesn't dig it...

SaltyToplaneGoat··28 votes·3,946 views

... and every single day I want to smash my head against a wall because of that stupidity. Now I'm not a genius when it comes to storywriting and marketing, but given my field of study (Media Studies) I think I know enough to talk about it.

Riot is in a rather unique situation right now, one that other writers and creators would maybe even kill to be in:

a.) They have an established universe that has been widely accepted while at the same time being somewhat unique.

b.) They have a widely used platform of distribution with their game, what leads to a massive reach due to:

c.) A huge audience that uses said platforms, some of said audience already are the "hardcore lore nut"-club. Just think of Sharjo if you want the prime example for that.

d.) It is very clear what the audience wants - and in some parts they really just want something with their favourite character in it as until now some of them are kinda "blanc slates" (= many old champs) and you could literally write anything, as long as you get the character right the people are going to love it. All that is left is to deliver.

Yet they don't. Once a year we see an event somewhat loosely tied to game content that gives us a few pages of text and maybe some fancy facts, and then maybe when there is a champion release we get a teaser or a 2 page comic and that's it. The main problem with it: it is not a constant stream of connected content. It's random tiny bits sprinkled in sometimes.

The thing is: people like me don't necessarely want a super-high-quality cinematic movie. I just want... something. Something I could look forward to every week/two weeks/month. Something consistent that gives me the feeling that something in this fictional universe actually HAPPENS - because all I get right now is a reminder every few months that it kinda exists and something has maybe happened but that's it. Also, with a small, but constant release of content these boards would be more lively too... I mean, we story people had to be mixed together with Sound and Art, that's already degrading...

And at the same time Riot has made a game so big, some small studios would probably fight each other to get a deal with them to just produce something for them as given the potential size of audience it might turn out to be a massive hit. But nooo, instead all money goes into lame Esport none watches anyways (I know none who does, and I don't see the appeal of it. If Asian Team A or Asian Team B wins is completly irrelevant for me, I am busy playing the actual game.) It is also fascinating that the absolutely horrible Retcon is set in the seasons where LoL as an Esport really "blew up". All the ressources where put into this instead of actually putting them into something that would actually benefit the game itself.

At the same time this would be the perfect chance to produce content that will reach an audience beyond the "LoL-fan". Just take Game of Thrones as an example: I bet MANY people never knew of the books until the first season of the show proved to be exeptional. After that, book sales went through the roof. In Riot's case that would mean: more players, more Merch Sales, eventually more public interest into their stories -> it becomes more lucrative to produce even more content.

There is JUST SO MUCH POTENTIAL, YET IT ALL GOES AWAY COMPLETLY UNTOUCHED.

IT MAKES ME SO FREAKING MAD. AND SAD. BUT MOSTLY MAD.

72 Comments

Ralanr6 votes

I think future decisions will be based on the sales of their art book.

Which I predict won't go well because the book was 75$.

DrCyanide1 votes

Chump change compared to college textbooks, but with the added bonus of having a leather cover.

Ralanr3 votes

Yeah, college textbooks. Books you need for a class that will go on for several months.

At most I'd pay 50$ for a book that is meant to be used for casual enjoyment.

DrCyanide2 votes

I guess my philosophy is different. I'd rather pay more for a book I'll enjoy for a long time than buy a book that I'll hate for $150+, only to be offered $5 when I try to sell it back.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

People don't want art. Art is fancy. Some fans will like it. I mean, the Collector's Edition for 150 is already out of stock... but yes, 75 bucks is a hella lot of money.

Yet it doesn't captivate people like a good story does. Just compare how many people go into an art gallery, and how many go into the cinema at the same day (and let's just assume it is a really artsy story-movie). The cinema wins by far.

So making a decision about story dependant on the sales of an art book that only die-hard fans would buy anyways appears kinda retarded to me...

Ralanr2 votes

It's not just story, it's their lore department.

Solitair2 votes

You have severely overestimated how much like you other people are

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Dunno, I do not need to estimate. I could just drop by at my university library and go through the visitor statistics of cinemas, theaters and galleries since the end of the second world war that were recorded. And that were german statistics. Since the general level of education in the USA is even lower (not meant as an insult, your educational system as a whole is just more shit than our shit system, that is a fact that can and has been scientifically observed), I'd not be surprised if the tendency away from art is even stronger there

I could compare the positive and negative reception of theater pieces that were abstract and those that told a story. I did in a paper some years ago btw. Result: No one likes abstract theater apart from a small minority. People love their stories, its an essential part of our culture. Art is fancy, yes, but in the end it can never reach to the importance that storytelling has in our, or literally any advanced human culture.

Solitair1 votes

College books are basically a predatory business. I'm lucky to have a competitor right near my campus that sells and rents books for MUCH cheaper than the Campus bookstore would ever dream. It was created by a business professor who saw the gouging going on and realized there was room for serious profit if a reasonable alternative was provided. So this semester, I payed around $70 total for rentals.

I considered buying Riot's book. In fact, I was almost sure I would buy it immediately just reading the announcement for it. I LOVE concept/sketch books, and have several in my collection. The price REALLY dampened my enthusiasm, and that's saying a lot because I was really excited and I love Riot's art. So I checked out the online pages, and saw maybe 1 or 2 sketches/ideas/concepts for every like 4-6 splash arts. I like the splashes, but they're literally all over the web, and I'm not paying $75 for a book of them+ pictures of the rift/scuttle crab.

Arakadia1 votes

Its like one of those things you might like for a short bit but kinda... not go back to very often.

It doesn't take long to read and unless you are a real LoL or art fanatic you probably won't be looking at it very often.

Although, I was wondering if the pictures they showed were the whole book or just some of it.

THE RlVER KlNG5 votes

Totally agreed. I want consistent updates on lore, I want Champions of the Week where they tell us about a different champion and their lore once a week (especially ones not tied to a faction or city-state they can lump them into for lore events). I want a lore section of the client and diverse quotes and personalities for champions like WW or Fiddlesticks. I want novels and poems and plays and encyclopedias and fan writing contests (of which they had one in OCE and I got second place!) and consistent lore podcasts and more. I want to learn and know more and more about Runterra and the Void and all its inhabitants and gods and monsters and places and........things.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/indianajones/images/2/2e/IrinasFakedDeath.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081020201544 I VANT TO KNOW

GenoXx4 votes

I'd love if Runeterra can eventually turn into an rpg on something. The lore is just....viable enough for it.... Or even a comic or something. It's a bit upsetting.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Here something I posted some time earlier:

Tbh it would be so easy for them to make money with small games.

Like, look what people can produce with relatively simple tools like the RPG Maker. They do that FOR FUN. Now imagine what a hired team of professionals could come up with!

Let's say such games are inspired by old SNES or GBA titles... Metroidvanias, Bullet-Hell, 2-D RPG with turn based combat, A sidescroll beat-them-up... Let's give such a game a playtime of 5-6 hours, maybe more if you feel eager, but nothing that would stretch the budget too hard...

And then you sell those for 10-15 bucks a piece (and maybe make a short one day sale for LoL players that is 10% off). Even when you are on a tight budget, as long as you're not straving you can get 10-15 bucks together. And if you are that poor (= super poor/ no food) you shouldn't be playing games, you should be working on fixing your miserable situation anyways.

And the best part: you could go through lore with these games bit by bit. Example: One game is about Vi beating her way through Zaun-thugs. bossfights against champions like Singed, Mundo, Ekko, or Viktor, or whoever she comes accross all on her way to hunt down Jinx. Every bossfight comes with dialgue and like this you slowly reveal Vi's and Jinx's past.

No game needs to have ALL of the lore. You can do it bit by bit. And if the games are good, even people that usually don't play lol will play - and most importantly BUY - them.

A Skyrim-Level RPG would be a bit too much to ask for tho... those games take ages and tons of budget to make...

WestwardZephyr4 votes

I definitely agree with this. Part of, for example, Overwatch's draw is it's characters personalities and story. That's why there are entire blogs devoted to just exploring a character even as underdeveloped as of now as McCree. You don't see that in any other shooting games like CoD, and you don't really see it for League. Even the characters that don't have a short yet (another thing I admire about Overwatch that League could benefit from) still have enough history established that someone can analyze their character, unlike, say Morgana who has literally no reason to exist anymore and a whopping 25 seconds of dialogue. Even as someone who mained her for a while, I can't define any personality traits for her other than eeeevil (ish). TL;DR- Overwatch has some dank lore and characters, League needs to imitate them in this regard.

SaltyToplaneGoat4 votes

Yeah, Overwatch is currently winning hard. Animated Shorts, the comics, and now there is a VISUAL NOVEL planned for early 2017 to hiz the stores that will tell the tale of the "old" Overwatch team. In not even a year they deliver more than Riot had delivered in six years, and tbh that is kinda embarassing...

some degenerate4 votes

To all of those saying that lore doesn't sell: - that's because Riot barely puts any consistent effort into it. Everything goes to the esports scene now, but even that's starting to fall apart for a number of reasons (recent Tryndamere public message fiasco, Korean teams always winning it off in the long run, streamers and pros dropping out due to dynamic queue, LCS viewership dropping by half within the last two years, the recently revealed fact that Riot esports scene is basically a sort of giant ponzi scheme because they don't even pay their teams well at all in comparison to other esports games such as DOTA, let alone allow them to get sponsorship,) and so on.

I agree with those who're mentioning Overwatch: Blizzard does it right; they know that characters and lore are huge marketing tools for attracting NEW players while the competitive scene usually grabs the marketing interest of EXISTING players. They're balancing both out fairly well.

Meanwhile Riot is a mess in both regards, though the lore aspect of it is in a far worse state. I'm not asking for expensive character-based shorts or cinematics, but a series of outsourced novels or comics shouldn't be that difficult or costly to do.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

They are pretty much pulling a Dominion here.

Never give the department any support, and then claim you're not going support it because no one likes it as much as all the other things that are supported very well in comparision.

I didn't hear much of the company-leader-message (someone here has a link?), but everyone seems to be sure that this guy definetly has no clue anymore what this game is or what it should be.

And the problems with the Koreans is mostly that Riot ofc wanted to go global with this. Well, if you have one country where esport is part of their culture for decades and put that up against literally anyone else you shouldn't be surprised when they win. Esports was always supposed to be a SIDE aspect of a game. Like, the "accidental" effect of the game being JUST THAT GOOD. Not the main dish. But if you invest directly into Esports and instead let the game and what goes with it down the drain, well... in the end that will also backfire on your precious Esport...

KIM JONG REEEEEE3 votes

This conversation really got me thinking about something awesome, mainly the argument of lore v esports.

What if, somehow, we could sort of combine the two? Well, not necessarily esports itself but take the meta for instance.. every 2 weeks or so, Riot releases a patch that attempts to balance champs out, right?

Well now, imagine that with each patch there is a lore update. When champ ions get nerfed into the ground or boosted into the galaxy, there could be a real story behind it. When champs burst onto the meta, they could be sort of, reintroduced into the storyline.

Could be interesting I think.

P.S. I'm one of the aforementioned esports and arts and lore kind of fan. :)

P.S.S. Go Cloud 9!

Had Lucians Wife2 votes

But you know thats where the community comes in, we now these character, we adore and love them, and the ones how do right by them make up for what Riot doesn't make, to be honest Riot kind of does that on porpus, all the lore is there. they just let the millions of fans create for the community, and i think they do a damn great job.

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

I am aware of the community, as I am part of it was a writer. And going by my personal opinion it is kinda going to shit and shrinking with every year. And the lore we actually have is kinda the stuff that should have come years ago but took forever. Well, but of course you can find everything awesome when your standarts are low enough I guess...

Also, compared to what it COULD be it is an utter joke.

League has the potential to become a cultural phenomenon that could reach far, FAR beyond the "gamer" audience!

Also... "all the lore is there"? Several characters lack a reason to EXIST for years now. And you call that "all is here?" Pff...

Had Lucians Wife3 votes

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I am aware of the community, as I am part of it was a writer. And going by my personal opinion it is kinda going to shit and shrinking with every year. And the lore we actually have is kinda the stuff that should have come years ago but took forever. Well, but of course you can find everything awesome when your standarts are low enough I guess...

Also, compared to what it COULD be it is an utter joke.

League has the potential to become a cultural phenomenon that could reach far, FAR beyond the "gamer" audience!

Also... "all the lore is there"? Several characters lack a reason to EXIST for years now. And you call that "all is here?" Pff...

wait, who doesnt have a reason to exist?

SaltyToplaneGoat4 votes

Malphite Kayle Morgana Jax Chogath Fiddlesticks Nocturne

Pretty much the entire "was summoned by the institute of war" thing.

And the lore of champs like Shaco or Evelynn is pretty much a joke...

EDIT: Eve's problem with lore seems to have been fixed it seems. At least a little...

Serevas2 votes

You neglected Rammus, his lore was awful before they changed it and now it's pretty much just as awful, but in a cleaner way.

It's true though, a lot of those champions are devoid of a purpose to exist in the League of legends universe.

ZacsRealm9 votes

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You neglected Rammus, his lore was awful before they changed it and now it's pretty much just as awful, but in a cleaner way.

It's true though, a lot of those champions are devoid of a purpose to exist in the League of legends universe.

Idunno man, I think Rammus' lore is pretty okay.

Rammus

Handy Sandy 2 votes

Around 400 million people watch esports around the world and they make a ton of money from it.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

And yet compared to how many people play this game they are a minority. I get around quite a lot in the community, amongst artists, roleplayers and writers and the Esport aspects is minimal. Most people couldn't care less about it.

Star Guardían2 votes

Even less people care about the lore.

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

They are a qualitatively better fans that the Esport crowd tho. They are the ones who create, who write, who roleplay, who get heated in discussions about story. That's what a vibrant community needs.

Not a crowd of sports people who's only reason for existing is shitting on others of their group for their team preference.

Also if Riot would put more effort into it there would be definetly more fans.

Miku Append2 votes

I really wish Riot would continue with the world building within League of Legend's universe. Yes, champions have their backstories, but why can't they sort of do what Blizzard did... but reverse? Inb4 the obligatory "if you don't like what Riot's doing, then leave!!!1!" clown fiesta. I WANT to play a game where I can journey through Bilgewater. It sounds like a really neat place to explore. And we don't know much on that place Lulu met Pix at, so that would also be a unique and magical place to explore.

Chromatic Eagle2 votes

I want lore content too more frequently but these things take time. They've been trying to do lore updates along with the VGU like Yorick and Ryze.

CrimsonCobra32 votes

Hm. I do agree. The lore should feel more alive. Right now it feels like reading old history books.

Azphreal2 votes

You mean like the Journal of Justice, which Riot scrapped in, oh, must've been season three or so, because it was too much effort for them? I think they've tried to have these constant updates, and decided it wasn't worth the investment, and there's likely issues with consistency if all their lore writers are contractual, which wouldn't surprise me.

Sionnan692 votes

Riot has been proving how incompetent they are for the last 5+ years.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Yes, but there is still the faint hope that someone somehow opens their eyes and goes like "WHAT THE FUCKING HELL ARE WE DOING?"

And now that more and more potential goes down the drain I really hope that this happens soon...

Lunæ2 votes

Anyone remember the old JoJ?

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Veltox2 votes

We need someone named 'Buy executioner'.

PenguinOverlord82 votes

can you explain to me what the journal of justice was? all i know is that it was a thing that somewhat explored the characters before the retcon right? like can you still find it somewhere?

Lunæ1 votes

They used it for in-universe explanations of things being added to the game (example, Tango Evelynn + Tango Twisted Fate. Apparently they were seen at a dance together, iirc.), and to give background to the region (Noxus V. Demacia), and even hint at a new map being added (Dominion, iirc.)

You can read them here.

Marshbouy1 votes

Can you TL ; DR me because i want to respond but i also need to start on my homework xD

SaltyToplaneGoat3 votes

It's not that long, read it for yourself. But the gist of it is: More lore, esport sucks.

Marshbouy4 votes

And this is why you don't work at riot games. esports-hundreds of millions of dollars lore-almost none

riot is a company after money, just like all companies are.

SaltyToplaneGoat8 votes

Direct Esport funding: making a quick buck.

Lore: long time investment that benefits the entire game in the long run and might have the potential to become something even bigger.

Also: Making the game itself better -> better Esports.

EROTIC RAID BOSS3 votes

its pretty unlikely, lore is not that important to most people playing league. I like it, but even I recognize it's no gold mine. esports is much more in tune with what people love about league, and helps league reach such a wide audience. it's obviously a very valuable part of the game. Lore, I feel like, even for the people that do like it, it isn't close to the main draw of this game- we aren't playing anything remotely close to dragon age. it's just a secondary thing for us to enjoy.

Supposedly they're working on increasing the amount of writers etc at riot to deliver more lore related content but it's hard to say how that's going. I've liked their new bios and stories when they do come out though, maybe they'll reach more people in the new client

There also isn't any evidence that League's community has shrunk at all

AninLegions7772 votes

Let me explain to you why lore is a gold mine. Lore opens up the door to so many possibilities and it starts like this: Make new lore for characters lacking good ones, nothing explicit -> People see the lore and will be like "OHHHHHH! So that's why X does Y" (Just like when we FINALLY found out why Renek hated Nasus) -> People get eager to know more that the origin stories -> Riot begins an animation series to do just that -> Becomes and instant hit and blows up to a naruto-like scale -> More people get to know about the game -> More eSports audience and more frequent players -> More money (Goldmine). Do you now understand?

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

That's pretty much what I was getting at.

Also, imagine if you had the exclusice rights to a show that blows up this high. Now THAT'S profitable...

AninLegions7772 votes

Yh but I don't think the guy above me got it. Exactly! it's so profitable. Tbh, I'm disappointed LoL doesn't already have a show. It's a waste of potential.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

And we are not only talking about the potential of profit here.

To be honest what most writers and creators want is not money. Yes, material goods are fine and dandy and everyone likes living comfortable and nice, but in the end an artists strives for something more: for the work to be famous. And there is a top level for that: when a work is so famous it becomes intertwined with our modern culture.

A prime example for that would be Lord of the Rings. Every at least somewhat culturally educated person has either read it, seen the movies, or at leats knows of it and the archetypes it works with. A more modern example would be Marvel's success. Thirty years ago comics books were an extremly small niche for the really weird geeks, and now the hero-mythology of Marvel is hitting the mainstream harder than anyone could have expected some years ago.

And I claim that Riot could turn LoL into something way, way more bigger than just a lone MOBA game. Books, Comics, Movies, Series, other games... they have an entire universe at their hands, a ton of characters that are loved by the fans, and the possibilities of distribution to make it work. The more one thinks about it, the more wasteful it appears to just let this sink into nothingess...

AninLegions7771 votes

Money is a perk that comes with fame. The funny thing is that League is already intertwining with modern culture BUT it won't go far without some sort of spin-off. Like you rightly mentioned with LoTR and Marvel/DC, League can stop being looked over and become something much bigger than the eSports it's limiting itself to. I just hope they realize this soon.

Veltox1 votes

Their budged would skyrocket if they would start an anime/movie instead of extremely boring(kinda subjective)LCS matches where we are damn bored of watching same champions do same stuff with the same champions and the occasional play there and there.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Not necessarely... given the potential reach I can think that some studios would murder each other for a deal to make a sure that has like a million guaranteed watchers. I'm not talking about potential watchers or hoping that it will go big like game of thrones... no, with this gigantic playerbase they can be sure that there will be MILLIONS tuning in, and if they execute that well, MILLIONS are going to love it.

Also, they could start low. There is no need for groundbreaking animation and over the top special effects. Just a neat style, characters done right, a good story and maybe some good humor. More you don't need for a good starter ^^

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