I think Pyke might be the only chaotic evil assassin as of right now

dontspinbutwin·11/3/2019, 6:15:19 AM·2 votes·3,817 views

Zed while portrayed as a villain, does things he genuinely believes will improve the kinku tribe. I don't think hes a bad guy. We don't know what he saw with shen's father, so he could be a hero for all we know.

Talon wishes to be the best, for self improvement.

Kat wishes to please her father.

Rengar and khazix both want to be the strongest, so they hunt and train/evolve

Qiyana is a brat, but she isn't evil per say.

Akali wants to do do the dirty work that the kinku order doesn't do.

Kayn just wants to be the leader of the shadow order

Kassadin is just a father who escaped the void

Kaisa is a legit defender of shurima

Vayne purges evil

i probably missed a few assassins, but pyke? Pyke legit kills because he has spite and rage. He doesn't have a goal in mind, he wants to kill everyone in bilgewater for self vengeance. "But its just those who betrayed him on the ship!" you might say, but his mind is so warped and twisted that he sees everyone in bilgewater as guilty for his death. So if he sees anyone in bilgewater, he "recognizes" them, then their name magically appears on his list.

All the other assassins have a bigger picture that isn't just all cons. Pyke just wants oblivion.

EDIT: I should say that there are a few who could be considered chaotic evil, now that i read some comments, like Evelynn, nocturne, or shaco. However, while evelynn might be chaotic evil, I don't think noct and shaco have their lores fleshed out enough to say where they stand on the evil spectrum.

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Chembaron Yamada11/3/2019, 6:29:15 AM6 votes

In my opinion, every void creature is chaotic/evil by default. Their whole purpose is that they want to destroy existence itself, they are there to kill everything living on Runeterra. Kha'Zix is killing and evolving just for this, to become the ultimate predator to kill everything and everyone.

So Kha'Zix is chaotic/evil in my book as well.

Baron of Bread11/3/2019, 7:17:30 AM3 votes

Qiyana is pretty evil, go back and look at her "Fit to Rule" story. She takes actions she knows will lead to death and destruction for her people to better herself.

SEKAI11/3/2019, 10:14:28 AM3 votes

How can you forget Kha'zix, Evelynn, Shaco and others?

That's just the assassins, all void creatures are chaotic evil by default (though they can still migrate to other kinds of evil after gaining certain level of perspectives, such as neutral evil; Cho'gath is more or less a neutral evil character than he is chaotic evil at this stage. Same reasons as how the villain All For One from My Hero Academia was born a chaotic evil before he became neutral evil).

And no, Pyke isn't chaotic evil. Probably chaotic neutral, since he still willingly gives those who help him "their share", and kills according to his list that supposedly only records those who'd wronged him (which keeps increasing for some reason that Pyke I think is aware of, but doesn't pay too much mind to).

Chaotic evil describes the characters who are innately evil to the core. They do evil things simply because it feels right at home to do, not because they actually have any morality system or understanding per se, they just feel doing conventionally bad things a nature like how you search for food when feeling hungry. Despite being the most extreme evil by being the combination of chaotic and evil, in practice it is ironically the most sympathetic out of the evil trio (lawful, neutral, and chaotic evil) because it's the only one that arrived there without even thinking as they're just naturally evil. They while are completely unrelatable since their nature is just so unorthodox and they ravel in evil, but they are usually seen as the lesser of the 3 evils alignments due to the lack of rationalisation in their evil actions.

Evil Jester11/3/2019, 7:17:31 AM3 votes

bruh...

Shaco

Daddy Viktor11/3/2019, 8:19:31 AM2 votes

Evelynn Nocturne : Are we a joke to you?

DuskDaUmbreon11/3/2019, 6:46:36 AM2 votes

Is "revenge" really chaotic evil?

Also...Evelynn? A psychotic, sadistic demon? Nocturne, the nightmare given form? Shaco, the insane psychopathic animated murder doll?

Sergej56111/3/2019, 5:05:44 PM1 votes

Zed most definitely isn't a good guy. His goal isn't to improve the Kinkou, if it was he wouldn't start an order of his own, instead Zed's goal is to make Ionia a powerful nation that fully uses the amount of power within it. It's the same as Irelia, but what separates the two of them is their methods. While Irelia wants to make a capable army where the strong defend the weak, Zed wants to make Ionia that values power above all else. Zed will kill anyone who gets in his way, even his father figure or his long time friends, he uses shadow magic which actively disrupts both Ionia's harmony and the spirit realm as whole (see Nocturne lore) and intends on militarizing the natural magic in Ionia, leaving many magic based locations uninhabitable by magical creatures like the Vastaya, forcing them out of their homes. I mean, his short bio literally starts with the words "Utterly ruthless and without mercy", so no Zed is in no way a good guy.

I think you got Kat and Talon mixed up. Kat is a lot like her father and firmly believes in Noxus and everything she does is for Noxus, while Talon, with the little to no lore he has, is the one who pledged his loyalties to Kat's father, and is currently investigating his disappearance. But I'd agree that I wouldn't call either of them bad guys, they're about as much bad guys as Garen or anyone else who kills to serve their country.

Kha'zix, Eve and Noc (and this also applies to Tahm and the other voidborn) are all kind of in the same batch. None of them really kill because it's "fun" or because they want to, they do it because they HAVE to. Kha'zix and the voidborn are beings made of anti reality, anytime they get mentioned they're described as off putting and "wrong". They're basically sentient objects given one purpose: Help their creators destroy the world. Kha'zix in particular seems to devour anything that would further his evolution, and in other stories the Void mostly feeds on magic and/or organic material. Kha'zix isn't really evil because you can't categorize him in a human like morality scale because he's not human, he's like a robot with only one function that he HAS to follow.

Eve, Noc and the other demons aren't evil at all IMO. They're spirits who unwillingly were brought into this world through negative emotions, and the only thing sustaining them and preventing them from going back into oblivion is feeding on the same negative emotions which spawned them in the first place. They either torment mortals or disappear forever, not much of a choice in the matter. They're about as evil as any IRL predators, are lions evil because they hunt and kill other animals?

Qiyana is someone that I'd say is actually pretty bad, if not evil. She's way more than "just a brat", she's so self centered and so deep in her inferiority complex that she pretty much lacks empathy for anyone else, including her own family. She's completely willing to kill, hurt and manipulate others in order to further her own selfish agenda, which let me remind you if she DOES end up being empress, she'll want to go to war with the rest of the world. Pretty evil if ya ask me. Also consider the fact that IRL anyone who would cripple their sibling or manipulate them emotionally by causing them serious trauma would be considered evil, so it's no different for Qiyana.

Kai'sa is a lot more neutral than what you might think. Her new story "Monstrous" perfectly portrays that. I won't spoil it because it's not even officially released and it's very good so if you want more on Kai'sa's murky morality, read that on the wiki.

Vayne is an example of a "monsters make other monsters" story. Sure, yeah Vayne purges evil, if you consider evil as anyone or anything that uses magic in whatever way, even if it's used to help others. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't matter how close you are to Vayne, it doesn't matter how you use your "dark" magic, it doesn't matter if you're good, Vayne considers you evil, and so you will be killed. While Vayne has dedicated her life to hunt down Evelynn, she kills any magical creatures along the way, and her methods are pretty brutal, and it's made explicitly clear that she very much enjoys murdering magical creatures, she's extremely sadistic if I'm being honest, her short story makes that clear.

Now as for Pyke, I really wouldn't consider him full on the worst assassin (in terms of morality) if I'm being honest. The swimming city gave him powers and pretty much turned him into a madman who just wants revenge. His list isn't even exclusively filled with captains, the swimming city communicates with him through that list and gives him the names of the people he has to kill, and it's implied that they're not always captains. He's completely insane and is only fulfilling the wants of the swimming city, not his own, he's more or less a pawn for greater forces. He realizes this, but he really just doesn't care.

Der Lindwurm11/3/2019, 6:57:59 AM1 votes

Assassins would typically be lawful evil or lawful neutral.

The D&D alignment system has trouble accommodating people who are extremely violent but not to further their own glory/wealth/agenda and who also aren't a threat to anyone who they don't have a very specific reason for attacking.

Makarakarn11/3/2019, 7:24:41 AM1 votes

I don't really like the wording here. It's not that Pyke WANTS to be evil, or spread oblivion. If you think about it, he has a normal goal like all the other assassins you mentioned: To get revenge on those who betrayed him. However, the Jauul fish or whatever the hell it's called warped his mind. He doesn't just want death and destruction, he wants something specific. It just so happens that he was also mind fucked by angry fish.

Ηuawei11/3/2019, 9:07:54 AM1 votes

"Chaotic Evil"

Yes, more DnD nerdism.

What about Neutral Evil and ... Lawful Evil?