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RIOT I ask of you a reply regarding Viktor

ElectroScalar·12/8/2016, 2:12:43 PM·101 votes·6,043 views

Viktor started off as a naive young student at the college of techmaturgy in Zaun. He wanted to clean the city, and he created Blitzcrank - the very definition of free will. Viktor is proud of Blitzcrank. Then his (and his teams) invention got stolen, his ideas and blueprints got stolen by Pididly, because they were that good! Viktor betrayed and hurt, he naively thought he could win at court. He himself withdrew from college, he was devastated. He sank into a horrible depression. But he didn't give up. He rebuilt himself. He remembered his love for techmaturgy and believed it could save him. He believes the Glorious Evolution can help humanity. He naively believed Jayce would help him. This is why we love Viktor. Because many of us can see ourselves in him. He looks badass, but he's not a villain like he looks at first sight.

But then you write this new lore. Aside that Orianna is now somehow supposed to fill in the female engineer trope you were so unsuccessful to create, that Orianna is now better in Glorious Evolution that Viktor, and that there's no mention of her love for dancing anymore - the focal point of her character.

Why did you have to push Viktor into Piltover? The Zaun event ain't gonna change this. Then you added that he was expelled from a Piltovian college because his ideas were amoral. This is the Dr. Doom cliche which nobody wants. Dr. Doom was expelled because he wanted to open a door to hell. And Jayce is Mister Fantastic.

Viktor now starts as a villain who wants to remove free will from people. This is sick. Nobody likes this. Viktor can't go through genuine depression now due to his ideas being stolen, he can only go through maniacal induced rage because Jayce was a snitch and got him expelled. I also remember you did this exact same thing to Pantheon and Leona, where Pantheon was a snitch and told the village elders about Leona saving a monster.

Viktor creating chemtech? This was Singed's shtick, Viktor has 0 to do with chemistry. You say Jayce is a jerk and expect us to be content with this? Whether Jayce is a jerk or not, it doesn't matter. And then Viktor feels a feeling, gets scared by it and also lets out a manly tear when he orders for Jayce to be executed. What the hell is this. Nobody's gonna sympathize with Viktor because Viktor felt a bit sad, and then ordered Jayce to be killed.

And the worst offender, Viktor wanting to remove free will. What's next? That he created Blitzcrank by accident, tried destroying him cause the robot got free will by accident? And then Blitzcrank escaped?

Tell us, is it true that Jayce's lore is complete fabrication? Even if a single thing from it isn't, there's no hope for the Zaun event. If Viktor's from Piltover, he got expelled, etc. that is also a stab in the heart. Also, I suppose Orianna's lore isn't a fabrication so Viktor cannot be the best at augments anymore.

62 Comments

333lom12/8/2016, 2:17:30 PM32 votes

His original story could have been elaborated upon, built on-top of it since it was so well received.

There is no possibility that Viktor's new lore can interpret these things from Jayce's, differently. It cannot be differently interpreted that Viktor went to college in Piltover, or that he didn't withdrew, rather that he was expelled. I really dislike this new lore.

Both that Zaun is just Piltover's slums, now this second-to-last nail in Viktor's coffin.

CarameI Frappe12/8/2016, 8:12:28 PM24 votes

Viktor **Vicktor: **I ... just wanted to better humanity through tech-

item 3211 Riot: No, you want to remove free will from everyone because you're Evillll.

Viktor Vicktor: .. Also why did Orianna beat me in my dream? ... And isn't Jayce my fri-

item 3211 Riot: Lal aal al, not listening! You're a villain with no moral compass!!

KuroCaliber12/8/2016, 3:57:48 PM17 votes

Everyone is ticked off by the whole taking away free will thing. But that's cuz they're nitpicking things to complain about. I've read Vik's lore too, old and new, and I feel like the old one was a bit vague in its methods. Viktor wasn't taking away free will for domination or mind control purposes, it was to improve work efficiency. He had the idea to improve human capabilities if workers did not stop to think. I feel like the oppression wasn't Viktor's main intention here, instead he was simply trying to improve current processes, and he only considered that side effect a minor inconvenience, a point which would explain his annoyance/confusion to Jayce's opposition to the idea. If anything, it enhances his shtick as going beyond human ethics for the greater good. While the method may be in the moral black zone, to can be considered a morally grey action due to the intent. Viktor was always known for good ideals and a grey/dark execution. I think this reinforces it, and the Piltoverans/Jayce only see the methods and therefore condemn him as a 'Saturday morning Villain.' A more holistic view would consider his motives, which I believe you've failed to do. You're desperate to ensure no changes to the Viktor you knew, and that's respectable, but don't lose sight of the whole picture you haven't even seen yet just because times are changing. Jayce is paranoid due to Viktor's actions which he can only see as bad. The Jayce's Lore was written from Jayce's view. I'd hardly want to see him suck viktor's mechanical dick in the story. I think demonizing him in this story helped explain some of Jayce's paranoia towards viktor. Also Viktor is still transhumanist, he still believes what he is doing is good. Jayce is simply the main character of his biography so it's important to show his ideals as the current 'truth.' It hardly touched on Viktor's thoughts in this piece, only Jayce's interpretations. So it's very important to realize that Viktor's side hasn't been told. Singed's Shtick was making Chemicals not Chemtech. Chemtech is simply an already used tech in Zaun, due to the factories producing chemicals everywhere. No where does it claim Viktor invented Chemtech-only used it. He still arrives on Jayce's doorstep, naively believing Jayce would help him. He just became forceful when it was declined, knowing it was the last piece to begin his process. Onto Orianna complaints:

  1. Orianna's focal point wasn't dancing, dancing was only something the original Orianna (not the automaton) had an aptitude for. As such it is pretty likely her creator/father added a couple voicelines to remind him of this fact. Orianna's focal point was to be a champion in the league of legends, but she died before she could, now the automaton and Ball took her place to fulfill the dreams she never could.
  2. Orianna's new lore is based around being the first complete augmentation: I posted about this before. Does it not make sense that Viktor was inspired by Orianna and sees her as a miracle/next step in evolution? This could link him to Orianna , as well as making her the 'Grey Lady' worshipped by the Glorious Evolved. Viktor may be their Prophet/herald, but Orianna was the goddess/deity/aspiration. What if Viktor's newer shtick is to use Orianna as an example to engineer the new Glorious Evolution through his own process, to achieve her result. She is essentially confirmation to him, that the Evolution is correct/everything he assumes it to be. This meeting could essentially convince him that the Glorious Evolution could help humanity. Orianna was borne out of necessity (ailing body) Viktor sees this as an opportunity (to evolve).
Jerry SeinfeId12/8/2016, 7:24:12 PM8 votes

Reading these stories i'm really afraid for singed and jinx.

Flyinguillotine12/8/2016, 3:46:10 PM7 votes

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Warlord Dienekes12/8/2016, 2:34:22 PM7 votes

Hasn't it been obvious for awhile now that Riot tried to create an evil mechanical overlord but in his original lore never had him do anything evil so in every subsequent telling he just turns more and more cartoonishly evil?

The fans latched onto a cool character that was never something that Riot had actually planned on exploring in a fair light. And they clearly want to keep the Viktor vs Jayce dynamic, but that's the heart of the problem. The fans of the old what they thought Viktor was from his original lore don't really want him being a super villain. No matter what negative qualities they tie to Jayce to try and make the conflict seem neutral.

The fans saw Viktor as someone who was dedicated to transhumaism first. Other than that he was an ok guy. Even forgiving or ignoring those who were slighting him. But that doesn't mesh with things like trying to kill people just for showing up or wanting to get rid of free will. In fact that latter bit could be argued as against the concepts of transhumanism and advancing robotics and AI entirely.

In any case I don't think what you want for Viktor will ever happen. Because Riot never intended to write the character they originally wrote. They just stumbled upon a cool concept and instead of running with it have decided to put his characterization going forward more in line with him being an evil mechanical overlord figure.

A Superb Villain12/8/2016, 5:55:01 PM6 votes

I found a video teaser for Viktor's new lore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7ixdHQj3O4

:^)

ArcaneHarbinger12/8/2016, 11:26:19 PM5 votes

Jayce and Viktor but never bothered to read their lores but I'll tell you this. From the way they act in game Jayce comes across as the hotshot jock that's a bit of a jack*** meanwhile Viktor feels mean... He feels like he plays with hate but there's humanity to him.

Hell Riot I see Doctor Dooms personality in Viktor and vice versa but even Doom had a heart. At the time of writing I've now read Viktor lore old and new and eww. We went from nice guy turned depressed to Joffery Lannister... Viktor is not a bad guy. If anything you put Viktor and Jayce next to each other you see that they are attracting poles.

Jayce wants to 'pave the way' to a brighter future and Viktor wants a 'glorious revolution' unfortunately nowhere in the handbook did it say "will murder for the cause" If anything Viktor made Blitzcrank. Hell if a villain made that (wouldn't be surprised) that's one hell of a nice villain cus the robots got heart. Viktor does not have stone cold hearted written anywhere so why change him?

Orianna doesn't dance anymore too? Well the robot just learnt to dance like that itself then. Just decided 'I don't want to enter the League of Legends today I want to DANCE!' and thus 'The Ball-room' opens in downtown Piltover... NO. She dances we established this DONT break what's not broken.

You're writing your stories wrong Riot. Think about the world you're trying to create. If you want a villainous character don't give him a sympathetic back story. If you're thinking of changing lore put it to a vote first. Otherwise 'KEEP YOUR HAND TO YOURSELF'

midnight oil2412/8/2016, 5:46:39 PM5 votes

Orianna still has her dancing thing. She loved to watch the dancers and snuck out to watch them. It was how corin tried to get her back when she was growing distant.

SlyTactician 12/9/2016, 12:34:39 AM4 votes

When Jayce first came out and had his original lore making mention of Viktor being a villainous character - the community had an outcry and eventually Riot changed it so Jayce had a different lore.

We're seeing a repeat of this once again and it's clear to see what most want - Viktor as a brilliant scientist who did suffer, but at the same time redeemed himself with a different way of thinking. Not as a typical villain who just wants revenge.

TheHappyReaperz12/8/2016, 8:51:39 PM2 votes

I just wanted to forcefully make people into robot cyborgs. There is nothing wrong with that in any way.

Kitty Pix12/8/2016, 7:00:32 PM2 votes

I don't think you read Ori's backstory and color text very well if you think at all that she didn't love dance still.

revliledpembroke12/9/2016, 4:51:32 AM2 votes

Viktor's old lore always had a sympathetic backstory, and that made everyone and their mother (or so it feels) like him. The problem is that HE WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE A FREAKING VILLAIN! Watch a single old movie and you too would be able to tell that the Russian mad scientist with a death ray who wants to turn people into robots (while removing "negative emotions" that turns into "removing weakness" which invariably includes things like mercy and compassion) is the bad guy of the piece. Literally the only thing they had to do to make Viktor a bigger villain was to give a mustache to twirl.

Some people were so convinced that Viktor did nothing wrong that they made Jayce the bad guy. Also from watching old movies you tend to learn that people with titles like "The Defender of Tomorrow" usually aren't the bad guy.

MaskedHeroman12/9/2016, 7:42:04 PM2 votes

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Viktor started off as a naive young student at the college of techmaturgy in Zaun. He wanted to clean the city, and he created Blitzcrank - the very definition of free will. Viktor is proud of Blitzcrank. Then his (and his teams) invention got stolen, his ideas and blueprints got stolen by Pididly, because they were that good! Viktor betrayed and hurt, he naively thought he could win at court. He himself withdrew from college, he was devastated. He sank into a horrible depression. But he didn't give up. He rebuilt himself. He remembered his love for techmaturgy and believed it could save him. He believes the Glorious Evolution can help humanity. He naively believed Jayce would help him. This is why we love Viktor. Because many of us can see ourselves in him. He looks badass, but he's not a villain like he looks at first sight.

But then you write this new lore. Aside that Orianna is now somehow supposed to fill in the female engineer trope you were so unsuccessful to create, that Orianna is now better in Glorious Evolution that Viktor, and that there's no mention of her love for dancing anymore - the focal point of her character.

Why did you have to push Viktor into Piltover? The Zaun event ain't gonna change this. Then you added that he was expelled from a Piltovian college because his ideas were amoral. This is the Dr. Doom cliche which nobody wants. Dr. Doom was expelled because he wanted to open a door to hell. And Jayce is Mister Fantastic.

Viktor now starts as a villain who wants to remove free will from people. This is sick. Nobody likes this. Viktor can't go through genuine depression now due to his ideas being stolen, he can only go through maniacal induced rage because Jayce was a snitch and got him expelled. I also remember you did this exact same thing to Pantheon and Leona, where Pantheon was a snitch and told the village elders about Leona saving a monster.

Viktor creating chemtech? This was Singed's shtick, Viktor has 0 to do with chemistry. You say Jayce is a jerk and expect us to be content with this? Whether Jayce is a jerk or not, it doesn't matter. And then Viktor feels a feeling, gets scared by it and also lets out a manly tear when he orders for Jayce to be executed. What the hell is this. Nobody's gonna sympathize with Viktor because Viktor felt a bit sad, and then ordered Jayce to be killed.

And the worst offender, Viktor wanting to remove free will. What's next? That he created Blitzcrank by accident, tried destroying him cause the robot got free will by accident? And then Blitzcrank escaped?

Tell us, is it true that Jayce's lore is complete fabrication? Even if a single thing from it isn't, there's no hope for the Zaun event. If Viktor's from Piltover, he got expelled, etc. that is also a stab in the heart. Also, I suppose Orianna's lore isn't a fabrication so Viktor cannot be the best at augments anymore.

Their current lore team is a joke.

Swarovsko12/10/2016, 12:26:28 PM1 votes

I refuse to believe Viktor in this kind of character. For me, Viktor will forever be the "old" Viktor.

Btw good job Riot, you fucked up a whole character because... Riot.