Riot worldbuilders, Viktor's new lore is in fact really bad. This is why

ElectroScalar·5/8/2017, 2:00:51 PM·9 votes·1,686 views

I too initially thought that the new lore was alright – after all, it didn't say Viktor's a saturday-morning cartoon villain; I was taken by the reaction of the people who read it the first. Several months later, now, I can say with certainty that the new lore actually destroys this character. Please read everything, or skip to tl;dr

Legend: text written here is referring to the new lore. Old lore is marked as "originally".


The personality-changing

"Viktor was censured for violating basic human dignity" – the way the new lore is written, Viktor indeed did violate basic human dignity. Controlling someone, for whatever reason, is immoral. This is what makes Viktor a villain. Sure he doesn't cackle and twirl a mustache, but this is the biggest red light possible. Originally, there was nothing saying Viktor's work was malicious. All we ever knew was that it was groundbreaking and that it had the potential to change the world. More about this in the last paragraph.

Weeks of depression – whoever has this condition knows how it operates. And it certainly does not last for weeks, it lasts for months, maybe even years. Viktor's depression in the new lore was downplayed to the point of ridicule, as he wasn't affected by the theft of Blitzcrank, not even by the countless deaths of Zaunites, some due to his own work, but due to being expelled from some haughty Piltie college. Viktor used to be a character who got struck by injustice, who fell into such deep depression that the only thing able to pull him out was a complete change in the way of thinking. Originally, he never had ideas about human augmentation before surviving a tragedy. The new lore makes it so that he always had ideas of human augmentation, that he always thought humans were inferior. This is not the character he used to be.

Important things – in one part, we are told he now didn't dwell on Blitzcrank's theft because he understood how other things are more important. But then, he gets shaken because he got expelled from Piltover. "He saved many lives with his technology". Alright, but we're never told why. If he thinks humans are inferior, it makes it seem like he views people only as constructs which he is to improve. And he certainly acts this way, because he's much more shaken when he got expelled than when his patients die. This is psychopathic behavior, and it was never present in the old lore.

Chem-slaves – "Viktor did indeed send etc." it doesn't matter why he sent them. They were brainwashed, and they were equipped to kill. They would have killed the little girl if Jayce wasn't present. It doesn't matter how many lives Viktor saved in the new lore, when he's just as ready to take them away and/or control people however he sees fit. The old lore never said he controlled people. In fact, some Rioters even confirmed that in the old lore his followers were willing Zaunites who believed in the future he was working to build.

Many issues stem from the merging of Piltover and Zaun. This action, I would argue, actually limits the narrative instead of expanding it; instead of two technologically advanced cities, you have one, with less space to fit characters in. "Subcity" could have easily been Zaun's slums or Piltover's slums, and you'd have much more diverse options. Not to expand on this now.

"Friendship" with Jayce – Jayce is a character that basically started existing only thanks to Viktor. Why hasn't he gotten a lore where he gets expanded as a character, getting other enemies / goals in life? That would have been fair towards his character, instead of having it reduced to a typical hero jerk. Not only that, but now instead of Viktor being his own character, the new lore forced him into being dependent as a character on Jayce in return. This issue is the consequence of the forced symbiosis between the two cities. "The two were equally matched in intellect etc." - this is a completely pointless addition, and puts emphasis in Viktor's character on a "rivalry", instead of keeping his character's focus on his own spiritual metamorphosis. "Friends to enemies" is an overused trope, doesn't fit here, only reduces Viktor's character. If you really wanted to use it Riot, you could have, you know, made new characters for it!

Expelled from Piltovian college – which two characters went to the same college, with one getting expelled thanks to the other due to his "amoral experiments"? Doctor Doom and Mister Fantastic. Why were Viktor and Jayce pushed to resemble these guys in more ways than it's necessary?

Zaun's college of Techmaturgy – it's an eyesore how it was added just for the sake of keeping something resembling the old lore. It could have been straight cut because it's not relevant at all – Viktor got offered scholarship there and in Piltover, and he went straight to Piltover. Gee, I wonder in what way Piltover isn't 100% better than Zaun.

Expelled vs Withdrawn – expelled for his amoral experiments. I'll get to this in the last part, but being expelled has a completely different effect on psyche. Originally Viktor withdrew from the college because he was so hurt. Nobody gave a damn about him, nobody cared he had withdrawn. This resonates with readers. Being expelled from a college in a different city, which looks down upon your people induces hate in a character. And Viktor was never about hate.

Blitzcrank's sentience – Originally, Viktor and other students in Zaun created Blitzrank and his sentience. That's amazing! Why was it changed now that Viktor didn't create his sentience, that he wasn't even able to replicate it? Why was his intellect decreased? So that Jayce could catch up to him because they have to be equal to hint at the "symbiosis between the cities"? Also, sentience is not the same as intelligence. A self-improving robot is the example of the technological singularity, a turning point in history with unfathomable consequences for the human civilization. I'm not sure you even knew the meaning of this Riot. It was unwise to use it here.

Viktor's mask – I found somewhere... that supposedly, nobody even of the Riot's writers now knows why Viktor wears a mask. I know, and every person who read his old lore carefully, knows. Viktor was hurt, and the human face represents weakness. The mask is his shield, as well as a symbol of his philosophy.

The illogical (Some of these are nitpicking)

We were told that all tech now in the new lore is crafted by few very skilled artisans. But colleges for techmaturgy exist. Colleges mass-produce experts.

Viktor named his creation Blitzcrank – Blitz is a German word meaning lightning. But Viktor speaks with a Slavic accent, not a German one.

The new lore says Viktor's inventions became widespread in Zaun. Number of accidents in a forge that used his designs, fell to zero. Yet, Zaun is still a toxic hellhole in which every day countless people die due to accidents?

Viktor saw the human factor as a weakness, yet he tried to replicate Blitzcrank's... human factor.

How did Pididly now steal credit for Blitzcrank if he was in Piltover, and Viktor both created and left Blitzcrank in Zaun? In the old lore, Pididly used to work in the college of techmaturgy in Zaun where Viktor created Blitzcrank; that was logical.

Viktor created a chem-shunt helm for mind-control. He also engineered chem-slaves. But Viktor is not a chemist.

Viktor now seals his own skin over artificial prosthetics. Not only would it be impossible for skin to stay alive, skin provides no benefits if everything below is artificial. The same issue is present in the short story "Progress day" if I'm not mistaking. There's a woman with "artificial elbows" mentioned. As I'm pretty sure Riot didn't make it clear that now humans in the new lore are made of magical marshmallow, I'm going to assume they work the same way real humans work. Everything below that woman's elbows would have rotted and fallen off.

Viktor keeps organs in jars in his flat. Why? Well I guess for "aesthetic". He's not a biologist, I don't know why he'd keep organs in liquid preservatives displayed.

The worst

And here we are, at the last paragraph. We all know that in trope-y fiction, augmentation is always evil. Viktor used to be special in the old lore exactly because his augmentations weren't presented as evil. They were presented as something that could change the world, and were left to the reader to decide. Our own real world is adopting augmentation, which is improving lives. But... the new lore makes it obvious that it views Viktor's augmentation as evil. It brainwashes people. It kills people due to side-effects. Blitzcrank left because Viktor's tech killed some people they were trying to save. "If you're desperate, you go to Viktor". This has such negative connotation that it pains me. There is no trace of the original character who was a naive young man who believed in the goodness of humanity. Who got conned, then pushed off the edge into an extreme attempt to improve humanity as fast as possible. I have a friend who I know loved Viktor's old lore. It had given him strength in his darkest hour. It continues to inspire me. Viktor should have been Nikola Tesla of League of Legends – someone ahead of his time, feared during his time, but someone who would possibly built the future, and improve the world. I would pay for the new lore to be rewritten if I could. Riot, do you ever acknowledge, at least internally, when you make a mistake in the lore? Go over the points, see if I'm right or wrong. It took me time to shake off the initial impression I had because some readers created hype. Now all of my points are painfully obvious to me.

TL;DR Viktor's personality was changed in the new lore, he's not the same character as before. His work is presented as malicious. Old lore didn't present it as malicious. I gave examples and explanations.

34 Comments

Placentas5/8/2017, 6:29:57 PM6 votes

"Controlling someone, for whatever reason, is immoral. "

Clear to see this is just a bias opinion piece based off of your own ideals and morals. I skimmed a bit more and the way you wrote this comes off as a young kid complaining because they don't see outside their own perspective. You do also realize there are different kinds and levels of depression and the way people deal with and suffer through it are different too?

There are plenty of posts that are about not agreeing or even disliking the lore and they're good reads even if I disagree because of the way they are written.

But this... Thaaanks, but no thanks.

Umbral Regent5/8/2017, 4:03:09 PM4 votes

I don't recall there being any ambiguity in Viktor's old lore. Back then, he was plain and simply evil, and now he's actually much, much more morally obscure. (my recollection could be wrong, but the same could be said for yours)

The thing with Viktor and Jayce is they're meant to be intellectual equals, it's just that their methods differ: Viktor believes that human error makes work horribly inefficient at worst, and mildly difficult at best, while Jayce is all heart and brazen forward-thinking impulse. And on top of that, Viktor isn't dependent on Jayce. Sure, Jayce plays a fairly big role in Viktor's lore now beyond just "appeared sometime after to stop his mass-machining", but Viktor doesn't depend on Jayce for anything.

After the whole "Jayce besieging Viktor's lab" thing, Viktor only tried to interact with Jayce one more time, by sending those chem-junkies to his workshop just to prod and see what would happen. After that, he gave up.

And you say the whole "withdrawing from school" resonates more with readers, but schools that are invariably worse than others can't exist? What points are you even trying to raise here? I'm extra confused as to why Viktor should be resonant with readers - he's a Champion, he's a notable individual in Runeterra. You wouldn't think people would resonate with Jinx, or Jhin, or Gangplank, or basically any other clear-cut villains, would you?

Those are a few things I could point out with the energy I had this morning.

GreenLore5/8/2017, 8:23:29 PM4 votes

"Viktor was censured for violating basic human dignity" – the way the new lore is written, Viktor indeed did violate basic human dignity. Controlling someone, for whatever reason, is immoral. This is what makes Viktor a villain. Sure he doesn't cackle and twirl a mustache, but this is the biggest red light possible. Originally, there was nothing saying Viktor's work was malicious. All we ever knew was that it was groundbreaking and that it had the potential to change the world. More about this in the last paragraph.

Viktors old lore was always ambigious. Sure he started out as a scientist who tried to help humanity,but his old lore specifically said that his desire to help humanity was replaced by his obsession for the glorious evolution. Add Jayces lore on top of that and you got the impression that Viktor was of questionable morality at best and a full villain at worst.

Also I don't see how this part of the new lore makes him a villain,considering that he wanted to control the workers not because he wanted to make them slaves or anything like that,but because he wanted to prevent errors that threatened the workers and their coworkers.He wanted to make the working site a safer place for everyone.

Weeks of depression

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Important things

You know depressions are usually caused by multiple factors. Viktor getting expelled was likely just the point where it became too much for him to bear. And it kinda makes sense that he recovered rather fast from it,as he modified his own brain to get rid of it(not to mention that it doesn't even say that he has fully revovered either)

Also the incident with Jayce happened after Viktor modified himself already,so again,he did modify his own emotions so that they won't slow him down,this was always the case in the old and the new lore.

Chem-slaves

This goes back into the whole "controlling"-arguement.We don't know if these guys willingly work for Viktor or not.They are never referred to as slaves in Viktors lore,only in Jayces color text(and Jayce is obviously biased). Also in a previous arguement you complained about Viktor not reacting to the death of his patients,now you complain that he reacted to it.....

"Friendship" with Jayce

Well in the end the 2 were rivals in the old lore,but said rivalry honestly was extremely underdeveloped and onesided. Also you say that Jayce has been reduced to a "hero jerk",but I think that is a vast improvement for him since he was a mary sue before(and you complain about them not changing Jayces character and bakcstory completely in a thread in which you complain about the changes that were done to Viktor) Not to mention that Viktor doesn't care about Jayce aynmore at the end of his story.So while this event is key to their character,it isn't the main focus of their stories.

Zaun's college of Techmaturgy

Again you complain about them keeping stuff from the old lore,when this is a thread that complains about the changes that were done to the lores.

Expelled vs Withdrawn – expelled for his amoral experiments. I'll get to this in the last part, but being expelled has a completely different effect on psyche. Originally Viktor withdrew from the college because he was so hurt. Nobody gave a damn about him, nobody cared he had withdrawn. This resonates with readers. Being expelled from a college in a different city, which looks down upon your people induces hate in a character. And Viktor was never about hate.

In the old lore he withdrew,because someone stole his invention and was allowed to market it as his own,so basically he withdrew because he was so pissed that someone took his stuff.

Blitzcrank's sentience

His sentience being a side effect makes sense,otherwise the process would be recreateable and there'd be no reason to not make more sentient robots.

We were told that all tech now in the new lore is crafted by few very skilled artisans. But colleges for techmaturgy exist. Colleges mass-produce experts.

Its not like everyone in the city goes to these colleges though.(and there are likely not many colleges,who are likely all smaller than real life colleges)

Viktor named his creation Blitzcrank – Blitz is a German word meaning lightning. But Viktor speaks with a Slavic accent, not a German one.

As if Lols accents ever made any sense.Not to mention that everyone in Valoran speaks english anyway.

The new lore says Viktor's inventions became widespread in Zaun. Number of accidents in a forge that used his designs, fell to zero. Yet, Zaun is still a toxic hellhole in which every day countless people die due to accidents?

Widespread doesn't mean that everyone uses them for everything.

Viktor saw the human factor as a weakness, yet he tried to replicate Blitzcrank's... human factor.

Because Blitzcrank lacked the robots weaknesses. Just because humans aren't perfect doesn't mean that machines are flawless.

How did Pididly now steal credit for Blitzcrank if he was in Piltover, and Viktor both created and left Blitzcrank in Zaun? In the old lore, Pididly used to work in the college of techmaturgy in Zaun where Viktor created Blitzcrank; that was logical.

This actually makes more sense now.Before they argued about who created Blitzcrank,when Bc was right there and could have clarified this easily. And Piddly likely got reports from Viktor from Zaun and then marketed Bc as his own in Piltover,hence why anyone would even believe Piddly in the first place instead of him being a random scientist who claims to have invented Bc without any way to back it up and wins anyway.

Viktor created a chem-shunt helm for mind-control. He also engineered chem-slaves. But Viktor is not a chemist. & Viktor keeps organs in jars in his flat. Why? Well I guess for "aesthetic". He's not a biologist, I don't know why he'd keep organs in liquid preservatives displayed.

Viktor has to be a biologist,otherwise he couldn't replace his body parts with robotics. You can't just glue a robot arm to your body and expect it to work...

The worst

Not sure how his inventions are depicted as evil. In his color story(which makes it clear that some people demonize Viktor),he surpresses the fear of a boy.The boy was ok with the procedure and it did help him.

TyrekGoldenspear5/8/2017, 4:00:36 PM3 votes

Kind of late for making a post about this, but okay, I can dig it.

Upvoted for visibility, though I don't necessarily agree with it destroying his character.

The Anagram King5/9/2017, 12:49:08 PM1 votes

I've been echoing this viewpoint since the Machine Herald's lore was updated. He has become thoroughly one-dimensional; and - I've said it before - has sacrificed a huge amount of his personality and motivation either for the sake of streamlining, or because the writer/management simply lacked the subtlety to grasp his personality and/or journey.

In his old lore, Viktor went through a dramatic series of changes in personality, stemming entirely from the catalyst point that was Blitzcrank. He was betrayed by his superior, then peers, then justice system, and spiralled into a crippling depression. He become obsessed with proving himself to be better than those who stole credit for his work, transforming his body (and possibly mind) with experimental technology. The end result, however, was NOT murderous rampage or isolated science - no - Viktor began to realise that what he was doing was bigger than himself. He realised that his technology had society-bending potential; and, when he reemerged from his isolated self-mutilation binge, he was different. The kind of different that is frightening.

He was smarter. He was stronger. His sophistication confounded scientist and citizen, alike - there was no precedent for what he was. And his mind was frighteningly fixated on only one thing - something he referred to as the "Glorious Evolution".

He was not yet dangerous; but his obsession seemed that of a fanatic. The Augmented cyborg was unbalanced, and unlike any other human. And the worst part of all of this, was that nobody could think like him. Nobody could ever know, for certain, whether his intentions were benevolent, or sinister, in design.


#BUT NEW VIKTOR...

... does not change. He does not develop. He is obsessed, but only in the sense that evolving mankind is something of a pet project that other jerks don't seem to understand. His transformation from man to robot is absurdly depicted - as though he could have done it anytime, and was simply putting it off until he had a 3 week vacation!

In spite of this, he tries to kill Jayce. In a completely ABSURD scenario in which only a man pre-inclined towards murder would attempt such an act. It's utterly ridiculous, poorly paced, and a slap in the face of a very complex character that, unfortunately, was never given an opportunity to be truly fleshed out.



#Let me just say...

... That Viktor messing with free will to prevent accidents is not evil, by definition. In fact, it's a great point to home in on and (SUBTLY) add facets to his actions. After all, Vik is incredibly logical - he may be completely secure in the fact that he will never take over a person's brain in its entirety; but may be able to disable the use of weapons in unsanctioned fashions, or prevent people, say, falling off cliffs on accident. Safety switches.

But that kind of thing, while good in benevolent situations, would be horrible in a dystopian setting. That said, Viktor controlling robots to kill Jayce with is flat-out absurd.