Will we ever learn the background of Ascension Ritual?

Fasmodey·Jan 18, 2016·1 votes·795 views

I know, we're going to see updated Shurima lore better in the future but I have a feeling we're not going to learn enough about Ascension Ritual, as much as we can. I mean, who is the first Ascended? Who did find this ritual? How can Xerath corrupt that much strong ritual as a simple human? What is the difference between an corrupted ritual and normal ritual? Which one is the true ascended form (according to Xerath, it's his form but I want to learn it as confirmed). How does this ritual work?

They're so much questions to ask but I'm nearly sure we're not going to see deeper as much as I dream and hope, because of how we always were left to this moment. I hope we get the answers, at least some of them if not all of them are possible.

Edit: sorry for english.

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GreenLoreJan 18, 20161 votes

Well since Ascended never die(at least not through natural causes),it is actually possible that Nasus and/or Renekton were the first ascended.

And I remember that a rioter mentioned that Xerath was able to manipulate the ritual thanks to his vast arcane knowledge,its not something that can be easily done and wouldn't surprise me if Xerath was actually the first and only one who is able to do that.

FasmodeyJan 18, 20162 votes

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Well since Ascended never die(at least not through natural causes),it is actually possible that Nasus and/or Renekton were the first ascended.

And I remember that a rioter mentioned that Xerath was able to manipulate the ritual thanks to his vast arcane knowledge,its not something that can be easily done and wouldn't surprise me if Xerath was actually the first and only one who is able to do that.

I really dont think Nasus and Renekton were the first ascendeds. If they were, then it would be specified.

I think we have at least one more ascended to disclosed.

LaoBushidoJan 18, 20161 votes

one more? how so?

SharjoJan 18, 20161 votes

Probably because in all the thousands of years that Shurima stood there were probably other instances were humans undergoing an Ascension was necessary for the empire's safety that weren't the one that Nasus and Renekton Ascended to combat.

I mean when you think about it, wouldn't it be a bit odd for the old two Ascensions to ever occur in Shurima's ancient history be a a duo ascension for Nasus and Renekton and then Xerath's a few thousand years later that ended up destroying Shurima?

FasmodeyJan 18, 20161 votes

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one more? how so?

I dont know why people are downvoting but, if you think about it, how could brothers become ascendeds without knowing the ritual? I mean, when you're going to do something serious and risky, you dont do that with your brother. If there are some risks, it is better to do alone so other is safe. It is clear people knew ritual even before than the ascended brothers. And it means we have another ascended to disclosed, the first ascended.

GreenLoreJan 18, 20161 votes

Keep in mind that ascension is usually granted not taken. Meaning that you don't necessarily need to do a ritual for the ascension. Azir was seemingly also granted ascension simply because of how he helped sivir.

So it is possible to accidently trigger the ascension,so one of them could have gotten the ascension first and the other one through a ritual.

However it is easily possible for there to be more ascended. I mean the ascended seem to be mainly based on popular egypt gods and we still don't have one that is based on Bastet. Sure you could say "we already a have woman who can transform into a cat",but we also have swain and still got azir.

And then there is the theory that Rammus was retconned into an ascended...

FasmodeyJan 18, 20161 votes

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Keep in mind that ascension is usually granted not taken. Meaning that you don't necessarily need to do a ritual for the ascension. Azir was seemingly also granted ascension simply because of how he helped sivir.

So it is possible to accidently trigger the ascension,so one of them could have gotten the ascension first and the other one through a ritual.

However it is easily possible for there to be more ascended. I mean the ascended seem to be mainly based on popular egypt gods and we still don't have one that is based on Bastet. Sure you could say "we already a have woman who can transform into a cat",but we also have swain and still got azir.

And then there is the theory that was retconned into an ascended...

That's what Xerath says:

"Ascension is not granted, it is taken!"

He took the ascension than Azir, he literally stole it.

Azir's ascension is completely different, it's not a thing we can talk. It should be confirmed by Riot.

GreenLoreJan 18, 20161 votes

Yeah,but thats pretty much the reason why Xeraths ascension is different than the others. He took it,while it was granted by to the others. I think it pretty much goes like this: -Ascension is usually granted to a person that proved itself worthy through the sun-disc -In times of need the ascension ritual can more or less beg for an ascension -And then there is Xerath who basically stole the ascension.

But in the end you are right,at this point we can only speculate. It would be nice to get some more infos about the ascension,which is pretty much why the full lores of Nasus and Renekton would be among the most interesting(after skarner) of the missing shurima lores,because their full lores might give us new insights about the ascension.

Star GuardíanJan 18, 20161 votes

Go to Azir's page on the website, read the short story. If I'm remembering correctly, it states that his ancestors have been ascending for years.

Vistha KaiJan 18, 20161 votes

I know, we're going to see updated Shurima lore better in the future

At the current rate no sooner than in 2026.

Stars ShaperJan 18, 20161 votes

Disclamer: Long Post

Xerath being a "simple human" is not true at all. He was a great and probably the most powerful Magus of Shurima and he dedicated all his life to understand and amplify it. Also is not to disregard that Shurimans seemed like an advanced civilization when we are talking about magic since in Azir lore we find out that they had a "resurrecting pool" (which was probably reserved to the royalty).

It surely isn't a thing any1 dealing with magics could do. Carefully reading Xerath short story is clear that many emperors of Azir line were obsessed with it and there have been probably a lot of failures. The only succesful Ascensions we are aware of are the one of Susan (I'm sorry but I'm calling him like this since I discovered about it xD) and Renekton (being brothers they might have ascended in the same ritual) and the one that Xerath and Azir took.

About how it works we know nothing except that it requires the Sun Disc floating over the capital city of Shurima, the light of the Sun and other magic tricks. The ritual Xerath performed was way over the top since it had the following effects and aftereffects:

It destroyed an entire city.
It made it possible for Xerath to Ascend to a rather powerful being (superior to Susan and Renekton) and preserve the soul of Azir plus allowing him to Ascend and reacquire a physical body (with the help of the relics that still held the Ritual's power).

As a matter of "power levels" I think that Xerath and Azir are more powerful than Susan and Renekton with Xerath being on top of it. Now, let me explain... Azir, Susan and Renekton didn't have much power themselves except for being respectively a charismatic emperor, a wise seer and a strong warrior while Xerath was a Magus to begin with so he already had powers of his own. Add to this that if Xerath wanted his Ascension to be something worth to overthrow an empire where other Ascended guardians were still alive and kicking it had to grant him more power than usual. We don't know how much of the Ritual or about Xerath being already powerful/state of mind was the cause of his transformation (Long ago a Rioter confirmed me that Guardian of the Sands Xerath is what he would have been like if he Ascended while being loyal to Shurima so we cana ssume that the "energy being" thing is more bound to him being a mage already).

Yet we know that Xerath is able to see the forces holding the Universe together and he has a comprehension of the Cosmos which probably only celestial beings are aware of.

We'll have to wait for the answers but I have a good feeling about it.

FasmodeyJan 18, 20161 votes

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Disclamer: Long Post

Xerath being a "simple human" is not true at all. He was a great and probably the most powerful Magus of Shurima and he dedicated all his life to understand and amplify it. Also is not to disregard that Shurimans seemed like an advanced civilization when we are talking about magic since in Azir lore we find out that they had a "resurrecting pool" (which was probably reserved to the royalty).

It surely isn't a thing any1 dealing with magics could do. Carefully reading Xerath short story is clear that many emperors of Azir line were obsessed with it and there have been probably a lot of failures. The only succesful Ascensions we are aware of are the one of Susan (I'm sorry but I'm calling him like this since I discovered about it xD) and Renekton (being brothers they might have ascended in the same ritual) and the one that Xerath and Azir took.

About how it works we know nothing except that it requires the Sun Disc floating over the capital city of Shurima, the light of the Sun and other magic tricks. The ritual Xerath performed was way over the top since it had the following effects and aftereffects:

It destroyed an entire city.

It made it possible for Xerath to Ascend to a rather powerful being (superior to Susan and Renekton) and preserve the soul of Azir plus allowing him to Ascend and reacquire a physical body (with the help of the relics that still held the Ritual's power).

As a matter of "power levels" I think that Xerath and Azir are more powerful than Susan and Renekton with Xerath being on top of it. Now, let me explain... Azir, Susan and Renekton didn't have much power themselves except for being respectively a charismatic emperor, a wise seer and a strong warrior while Xerath was a Magus to begin with so he already had powers of his own. Add to this that if Xerath wanted his Ascension to be something worth to overthrow an empire where other Ascended guardians were still alive and kicking it had to grant him more power than usual. We don't know how much of the Ritual or about Xerath being already powerful/state of mind was the cause of his transformation (Long ago a Rioter confirmed me that Guardian of the Sands Xerath is what he would have been like if he Ascended while being loyal to Shurima so we cana ssume that the "energy being" thing is more bound to him being a mage already).

Yet we know that Xerath is able to see the forces holding the Universe together and he has a comprehension of the Cosmos which probably only celestial beings are aware of.

We'll have to wait for the answers but I have a good feeling about it.