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Some thoughts on more dated female champions, from a girl

KestrelGirl·11/30/2018, 9:45:18 PM·221 votes·33,216 views

Our wonderful community author Blood Magicks reminded me that Riot wants feedback from the female player base, so I suppose it's time to give my thoughts.

I can see where Blood Magicks is coming from with her post, but honestly I don't think the problem is sex appeal for women. Riot thinks we want macho hunks like Taric and Braum, but many of us just want a female champ we can relate to, a great story, or straight-up cuteness. But I won't go too deep on that issue.

There's a more obvious issue looking me in the face. We all know that a lot of League’s older female champs were launched with very sexualized designs, and while times (and Riot) were different then, they’re probably driving girls away from the game now. As a result, a few need urgent help. Because we can't relate to a character whose tits ARE her personality, can we?

So what I'd like Riot to do, rather than some broad sweeping overhaul of how things work, is some visual updates for a few of the most egregious offenders who needed it anyway. The current portrayal of this fairly short list of champions is making girls and women feel objectified and unwelcome in the League scene. I certainly don't like looking down a pair of double Ds as I play.

There are some benefits to updating these champions. One: their existing lore-invested mains should be pretty happy with their champ's lore and visuals finally matching. Two: Suddenly we have more fleshed out female characters who people like me can relate to and enjoy playing, without being barraged by full tiddy view, constant sex references, or a major disconnect between lore and game.

Additional note: As you might've guessed, Kai'Sa is a newer champion who belongs on this list, but I have whined enough about her V-neck for a lifetime.

  • Nidalee. "Somebody come get her, she's dancing like a stripper!" I mean, come on... pole dancing... mating season joke... hilariously badly proportioned model with twig thighs and huge boobs. Especially now that she is finally getting some new lore with Neeko's release, she needs help. Badly. A cat shapeshifter seems like such a cool concept at face value, and her splash art (aside from base) is stellar. I think it's time she lived up to the fantasy, which should only involve visual and VO work. I wasn't able to dig up any VU concepts; I was thinking her outfit should look much the same, but with a fresh coat of paint - and it should cover more. Neeko's outfit is a good comparison. (Her kit is fine, though she could be more newbie-friendly.) I do have to commend the designers of Super Galaxy Nidalee for giving her a skin where she is covered up.
  • Janna. Same deal here with the prostitute joke. Ever since her lore update to make her a wind spirit, her in-game portrayal has seemed extremely off. I'd rather that she not look human; it would be pretty cool if she looked like a living cloud in her base skin, Frost Queen, and Tempest, with puffy Zaunite "clothing" and messier hair. (Her other skins would keep her human.)
  • Syndra. Visually a ripoff of a scantily clad Mortal Kombat character, and yet she has so much lore potential and should fit in more as an Ionian villain. Let's fix that. There's an excellent VU concept commissioned by a prominent member of SyndraMains that holds up even after The Dreaming Pool threw the community into turmoil. It's close enough to her current design to still be familiar, but makes her look closer to an evil version of the Ionian aesthetic, and gets rid of everything that isn't that great. I like how her skirt looks like the waters of the Dreaming Pool, too.
  • Miss Fortune. This is a simpler solution, and one that is already in the works. While I understand that base MF is a canon or semi-canon portrayal, it's not who she is now. Lore nuts have been BEGGING for base and Captain MF to be swapped ever since the Bilgewater update. Also, we really can't wait for that VO update, which would fix so many problems on its own.
  • LeBlanc. Another case of just not living up to her lore potential because she's wearing lingerie. She should look more like the regal, immortal mob boss she is. Think Camille but with twenty times the life experience and less likely to look down on you.
  • Debatable: Ashe, Caitlyn, Katarina. While they're not as obnoxious as the previous examples, Caitlyn is still seriously in need of an Ezreal-scale update, and none of these champions, magical cold resistance or not, is wearing suitable clothing for her environment. Ideally, Caitlyn should be wearing something that actually allows her to do cop things like throwing people to the ground. Katarina should be wearing a little more leather armor, considering she loves being in the fray and shouldn't have a vital pierced instantly. Ashe should look a little more like a stereotypical DnD ranger. As with Nidalee: big props to Riot for PROJECT Ashe and Pulsefire Caitlyn; now bring the rest of the champion to that level of awesome.

TL;DR: Update some older female champions as soon as is convenient, because they're not strippers anymore.

Concepts for Ashe, from Verauko: (Base) https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/0b839f74-d71b-499b-ab26-b41e49b8eeb1/d9jw2ju-8c55ff91-1f8d-4d47-97b7-c5e082c8ad62.jpg (Other skins, including a more "traditional" take on classic Ashe that does not solve my problems with it) https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/0b839f74-d71b-499b-ab26-b41e49b8eeb1/d9h3uft-7eba3221-56a6-45dc-97df-48671c992660.jpg Concept for Caitlyn, from Vlad Bacescu who's now working with the skins team: http://i.imgur.com/xrKTKvh.png A more human Janna concept in case that direction seems like the best, from Riot Hylia: https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/957/851/large/thomas-randby-janna2.jpg?1494988425 Concept for LeBlanc, from Riot Hylia: http://i.imgur.com/S1yMyjc.jpg Concept for Syndra, from Matilda Fiship: http://i.imgur.com/bekWcSi.jpg

447 Comments

Wilyum11/30/2018, 10:08:16 PM86 votes

I do not think some of these points make sense.

I think Nidalee is meant to be a Tarzan-esque kind of character. Tarzan wore a loincloth so Nidalee wearing a loincloth bikini seems legit to me. About her body proportions, I don't really care about that either way if Riot changed it I wouldn't care if they didn't change it I still wouldn't care. I will say that lots of video games "sexualize" characters to appeal to their larger fan-base, men. So, I can understand why they made her the way they did. Are we really believing the most unrealistic thing about Nidalee is her body shape? Not her shapeshifting into a tiger?

Janna is a wind elemental, it states in her lore she is described as a person with pointy ears, floating, and having sparkly eyes. In most mythologies elementals or dryads or nymphs or anything similar to her lore was usually depicted as beautiful. I do not think her current design screams prostitute like you do. In fact, if it were more like Greek, Norse, or most mythologies she would be naked, that can't happen for this game so they threw on some clothes. Why would an elemental force feel the need to cover anything up?

I do not take any issue with what you said about LeBlanc or Caitlyn. In fact, I like the Caitlyn art you shared.

I like Syndra the way she is. I think it fits her character. She was always distracted as a kid, now as an adult, she uses her assets to do that to the enemy LOL. But seriously why would a strong powerful woman who has been betrayed by everyone she ever loved fit into the conventional norms that society dictates. It makes sense that in a form of rebellion she dresses that way. Kind of like how kids will wear all black to irk their parents.

I like Katarina's design as well, kind of fits her personality if you ask me. EDIT: THANKS FOR ALL THE UPVOTES<3 this is the most I've ever had.

ModCaptainMårvelous11/30/2018, 10:19:09 PM66 votes

Every fucking Caitlyn design I've seen, from a quick sketch to a two year project, has been head-and-shoulders above Riot's current design.

I sincerely hope Morg works out because Caitlyn absolutely deserves a small-scale VU.

Malicious Metal11/30/2018, 9:53:27 PM58 votes

Here, have this upvote. You definitely earned it.

Azeranth12/1/2018, 12:32:31 AM33 votes

You're trolling me, right? Like seriously? "These characters aren't strippers, they shouldn't have these unreasonable expectations". Right, cause there are no male characters that play strongly into exaggerated masculine stereotypes, and capitalize upon societal pressure and expectation about what defines ideal or superior males.

I mean, seriously. To start with, lets start with explicitly gorgeous males, to the point where it is a defining trait of their character.

  • Ezreal
  • Jayce
  • Rakan
  • Taric Do you know how many female characters are explicitly defined by their beauty first and foremost? Evelynn. Thats it. Sort of Leblanc, maybe, I guess, but the implication there is that she uses her magic to trick and mislead the people she manipulates.

Now lets continue, let mention male characters who are some representative of physique or fitness.

  • Darius
  • Draven
  • Garen
  • Xin Zhao
  • Lee Sin
  • Shen
  • Jayce again
  • Ezreal again

Then lets look at male champions who embody something along the line of "Big strong protector" or "Who sacrifices for others"

  • Galio
  • Garen
  • Jarvan
  • Nautilus
  • Shen
  • Special note!! Yorrick is literally "The SHEPHERD Of Lost Souls" who has condemned himself to eternal suffering under a blood curse upon his home, simply to lead others to the beyond, so they may be spared his same horrendous fate.

Then lets look at male champions who are defined by being the biggest baddest strongest conqueror. By being the peak predator.

  • Darius
  • Draven
  • Swain
  • Aatrox
  • Jax
  • Lee Sin
  • Graves
  • Tahm Kench and Twisted Fate, even though muscle isn't the way through which they take and conqueror in their bloody line of work
  • Jayce
  • Khazix
  • Master Yi
  • Ornn
  • Shen
  • Taric
  • Udyr
  • Yasuo

I think you would be exceedingly hard pressed to find any champions, of either sex, which do not make extensive use of stereotypes about the sexes, and use these to form familiar narrative characters which are familiar, and draw from a plethora of cultural sources.

If you look at Miss Fortune and say "Her titties are big, and that is obviously the most definitive thing about her character." You're not only exceptionally stupid, perhaps even willfully and intentionally dumb in this case, you have to be an incredibly conceited and disrespectful prick to honestly believe that anyone else would hold such a significant weight upon someone's sexuality as to treat it like a defining characteristic of a participant in a grand tournament to the death.

If you think "The cougar joke Nidalee has for a dance" is demeans her, because of its sexual nature, then that mean

  1. You think that Nidalee is defined in large part by her sexuality
  2. You're incapable of separating a character, who they are, what they do, and what they embody, and a cheeky joke left over from small indie company Riot Games, back when Nidalee also passively gave 5xp to lower level champions near her. Maybe you don't understand the cougar joke, but thats your ignorance.
KirbyKrash12/1/2018, 1:16:05 AM30 votes

Girl here, Honestly, I thought this was going to be a women’s right (some what annoying) post, but I read everything, and here’s my two cents:

The way the most female champions have been visualized and dressed in this game has never really bothered me, except two:

-the MF standard skin, bc first thing I thought was ‘how has her back not snapped in two?’ -the evelyn standard skin. ‘how did riot not get in trouble for this?’(felt very porn emphasized)

But aside from that I would argue that for me, the sexy skins make me WANT to play the champions. Im very much the kind of person that likes to play the pretty characters. ( ive yet to play urgot bc of how nasty looking he is.) I realize that might sound shallow, but being secure with my own body, though not being thin myself, I get happy seeing these sexy, hot, pretty, and cute skins.

My personal preferences aside though, Im all for making realistic skins for females, and when I saw the examples above, I thought it was a perfect balance of modest, but still super sexy. I understand how some girls might see the skins as offensive, but please keep in mind that some don’t. Some like them. Btw I do like how they made Illaoi a ‘bigger’ woman who is strong and not traditional thin. And her lines are awesome.

ModCaptainMårvelous12/1/2018, 7:33:53 PM24 votes

Hey guys.

Went through the thread and deleted a few comments.

As a reminder: It's FINE to disagree with someone. You are entitled to your opinion and your belief. That said, don't bring politics, personal insults or accusations into the thread. (We can actually check those y'know.)

If we can't be civil, we'll just have to lock it.

Thanks,

-Cap

Jhins Girlfriend12/1/2018, 2:13:39 AM17 votes

This thread is great, and I agree with OP, but I think people are missing the mark when it comes to "but there are hot dudes / not all the ladies are hot!" when it comes to numbers. The list of male characters specifically meant to be attractive is as follows: Rakan, Varus, Jayce, Ezreal, Taric, Kayn....and I think that's it? Champions like Lucian, Yasuo and Talon are cute but I don't think that was what their main design was going for, so we can put them in a grey area. Not being counted for or against the count. Non-conventionally attractive male champions: Aatrox, Alistair, Amumu, Aurelion Sol, Azir, Bard, Blitzcrank, Brand, Corki, Mundo, Fiddlesticks, Fizz, Galio, Gangplank, Gnar, Gragas, Hecarim, Heimerdinger, Ivern, Jax, Karthus, Kennen, Kha'zix, Kled, Kog'maw, Malphite, Malzahar, Maokai, Mordekaiser, Nasus, Nautilus, Nocturne, Olaf, Ornn, Pantheon, Pyke, Rammus, Renekton, Rengar, Rumble, Ryze, Shaco, Singed, Sion, Skarner, Tahm Kench, Thresh, Trundle, Twitch, Udyr, Urgot, Veigar, Vel'koz, Volibear, Warwick, Wukong, Xerath, Yorick, Zac, Ziggs, and Zilean. That's 61 champions.

Sexy lady champs - as in focused on their bodies, especially waists and breasts, in their main splashes? (old) Akali, Ahri, Ashe, Caitlyn, Cass, Elise, Evelynn, Janna, Kai'Sa, Katarina, LeBlanc, Lissandra, Morgana, Miss Fortune, Nami, Nidalee, Shyvana, Sivir, Sona, Soraka, Syndra, Vayne, and Zyra. That's not counting the grey area champs, where they are still conventionally attractive but have less attention placed on their bodies with a varying degree of sexualization: (new) Akali, Camille, Diana, Fiora, (new) Irelia, Jinx, Karma, Kayle, Leona, Lux, Quinn, Riven, Sejuani, Vi, and Xayah. So, what is left are the female champs who aren't conventionally attractive OR coded as children: Annie, Anivia, Illaoi, Kalista, Orianna, Rek'Sai, Taliyah, Zoe, and the three female yordles. That's eleven non-conventionally-attractive lady champs, compared to sixty-one male champs.

Do you see the discrepancy here? There is NOTHING wrong with having sexy characters, and I'm not saying that. I LOVE Miss Fortune, she's my most played champion and I have almost all of her skins. I LOVE Evelynn, she's the first assassin I made myself learn. And that's not accounting for taste, either - I think Illaoi, Jhin, Viktor, and Thresh are smoking hot, and I think Taliyah is beautiful, but those champions aren't supermodels when it comes to Western beauty standards. I also don't think amount of clothing counts, either. Jinx doesn't have very much clothing in her base, but she's not as sexualized as other champs either. Kalista has a plunging neckline but she's also not sexualized. On the flip side, champions like Tryndamere and Braum aren't wearing very much but they aren't sexualized.

Once again, there's nothing wrong with sexy ladies! I love sexy ladies, I really do. But I would like the gap between the non-"hot" ladies and non-"hot" men to be smaller. We have Gragas, but no fat lady champs. We only have one cool void monster lady, Rek'Sai, compared to the handful of male void monsters. More to the point of this specific thread though, I'd really like appearances to fit lore. (This goes for male champs too but there isn't as much of a disconnect. Put Tryndamere in a coat!) Caitlyn's design and some of her quotes are just awful. She's a sheriff, why does she have a weird minidress thing on? Nidalee's breasts are gonna be popping out a lot without straps, at least give her straps. Sivir is from a desert. Do you know what happens when you wear tight clothes like that in the desert? You get heat stroke :( Other champs like Cass, Elise, and Nami feel like "safe" designs that are more of a missed potential than anything. Cass could be a really cool snake monster instead of a hot lady with a snake tail.

I'm not saying all champions need to be like Taliyah, because that would get stale. But having ladies who all basically have the same facial features and body type get boring too, especially compared to the wonderfully varied faces, species, and body types male champions have! I don't think it's unreasonable to make male and female champions as varied as each other, you know?

DonatellaVersace11/30/2018, 10:24:05 PM17 votes

LeBlanc mains have been begging for a good skin a VU for a while now and we absolutely ADORE Riot Hylia's concept.

Ignika D11/30/2018, 10:49:19 PM16 votes

k give braum tryndamere and varus a shirt aswell is cold out there is highly unrealistic

Myozthirirn11/30/2018, 11:12:19 PM15 votes

Characters dont need a particular "reason" to be sexy and whorish, maybe janna is a slut and she likes it. Maybe slutty girls feel represented by her.

Do you think i feel represented by Braum? Im not a giant naked dude that lives in an icy mountain, it makes no sense. but you wont see me writing a 500 words essay complaining about the lack of draven body shaped males.

Please dont project your own insecurities on beloved champions that have stayed pseudo-nude and loved for almost 10 years. If you are not happy with the current rooster just ask riot to design new characters that fulfil your particular niche. And by the way all the characters you mentioned alredy have a bunch of skins with diferents amounts of skin exposure, just chose the one that offends you less and call it a day.

some degenerate12/2/2018, 10:21:24 AM12 votes

As a bisexual woman, I'll just outright admit that I don't mind it if a female champion looks sexy or has a revealing design - as long as it fits the basis of their character. What bothers me is RIot slapping on certain "types" of sex appeal that don't mesh or fit with the theme and background of a specific champion.

Take Kai'Sa for example. She's supposed to be a young woman who was isolated from the rest of a humanity at a very young age when she was thrown into the Void and forced to survive in a horrific, heartless environment by fusing with and overtaking a Void bio-suit. If Riot wanted to apply some form of sex appeal to a champion like that, then you'd think they'd aim for something more... "alien," with non-human features and an immensely cold, vicious and calculating personality. Think "monster girl," or maybe something like Starcraft's Kerrigan, where the alien bio-corruption is still apparent through some transformed alien features - but not to the point where she becomes a completely unattractive, appalling monster ala Rek'Sai.

https://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-30/art/hots-kerrigan.jpg

And some more concept art randomly pulled off of pinterest.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/f5/6d/01f56d4877dd06635ca15fd2d960fda6.jpg http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tali1-465x702.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/07/41/940741d271df47bca16c82fc6be8baa1.jpg

Now, not everyone might find the women in the above images attractive, but they still retain enough human sexual appeal to become something more fetishized for some people. AKA, maybe for people who're into "monster girls," like Casseopeia, Nami or Evelynn. But most of all, these designs still fits the concrete aspects of their characters (female aliens or a human corrupted by something alien on a biological level) without completely sacrificing the sex appeal and going into uncanny-valley territory for most people.

But we didn't get that for Kai'Sa We didn't get that all. Instead, we got a female character design that's as generic and outright clashing as they come - a completely human, beautiful super model with completely human, normal, perfect skin, completely normal, human eyes, completely normal, human, perfect teeth and lush, normal, beautiful hair that looks like its regularly showered and flat-ironed. All topped off with a quiet, educated personality that speaks with a proper British accent. The point is, everything about her - sans her automaton alien suit - is perfectly human. It's almost like she's one of Riot's old and scrapped "same-face" female champion designs from 2012 that somehow managed to to time-travel into 2018.

And that's not good character design. That's clashing, contradictory character design that shouldn't have made it past the green-lighting stage, but it did so anyway because Riot's been pretty balless with their recent champion designs and is willing to sacrifice rational, thematic consistency in order to attract broadest range of male players possible. Riot shouldn't aim for sex appeal like that. Riot should aim for sex appeal that fits the champion - if the champion was intended to have kind of sex appeal going for them to begin with - like Miss Fortune and and Leblanc.

Now Miss Fortune and Leblanc's revealing outfits never bothered me because they're confirmed seductresses and manipulators in their lore. They flaunt around their sex appeal in order to manipulate men and get the job done. They're willing to run in high heels and expose their skin to the cold as a means to an end. The sexy, scandalous design isn't an "extra bonus" to make them more appealing for mere marketing reasons - it's an essential aspect of their character that fits perfectly with their themes and personalities in the lore. So removing that essential sex appeal by adding more layered clothing on their bodies would only result in more Kai'Sa-leveled design fuck ups.

But on the other hand, I'll admit I agree about Caitlyn and Ashe's current visual designs to an extent, either because they don't fit the champion's personality or line of profession (Caitlyn) or they cross into outright illogical territory for the setting that they live in (Ashe.) But even then, Riot should realize that they can still make these two female champions look sexy, or give off a sexy aura _ as long as they're willing to take the risk_ at trying a different spin on sex appeal that fits both characters, rather than just resorting to the generic "show as much skin as possible" marketing strat. And that's the major problem with a lot of Riot's older (and even some of their newer) female character designs at large - they didn't yet realize (or they just weren't ready to take the risks and accept) that there isn't "one size fits" all when it comes to fetishes or sex appeal.

StonePlatypus12/1/2018, 3:21:40 AM11 votes

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Nagahasmyname12/1/2018, 12:15:44 AM11 votes

discussions like this, in a way, remind me of all the news articles circling around, saying that Christmas classics (Rudolph, Charlie Brown thanksgiving, baby it's cold outside) are inappropriate for 2018, since they are "racist, sexist, and "glorify rape". they've been around forever, but since nowadays people can't handle things or try to start issues over things that haven't been issues forever... If Riot saw issues with the characters, they'd change em. Personally I'd rather have a Mordekaiser update before any of these mentioned, because I don't see an issue with them. just my opinion though.

let the hate comments flow.

Eleshakai11/30/2018, 10:09:33 PM9 votes

I like the post... but I also really like Ashe's current design... so I'm torn. lol

I do want to see Janna redesigned, but I don't want her to lose her beauty because, as Wilyum says, it is common for 'nature spirits' to be represented in 'beautiful woman' a la dryad/nymph/etc.

Regina George12/1/2018, 3:34:49 AM8 votes

But what about Tryndamere? he is literally shirtless lol

Smartness Immune11/30/2018, 11:47:02 PM7 votes

As a Dishonered / Dishonered 2 fan, i must say that Caitlyn looks amazing.

Baby Ghoul12/2/2018, 9:10:19 AM7 votes

A lot of people don't want to admit it, but earlier design choices just haven't aged well over the years and that is a barrier in today's market.

League was tapping into the hyper sexualized market of the early 2010s that was still popular until just a few years ago. That model doesn't really translate today, and many people view it as embarrassing/comical. So many people make jokes about this game and how over the top it can be with how sexualized women are. I mean, Riot even gave a fish extensive cleavage. Nami

Think about how amazing it was that Rek'Sai made it into the game without the design team awkwardly smacking a set of knockers on her back in 2014.

I don't mind champions that lead with their sexuality such as Evelynn, but at the same time it is pretty off putting to see so many female champions in skimpy outfits for no reason other than Riot thinks it will appeal to straight male teenagers. Over the years I learned to laugh about it.

I hope they do ditch the old immature stylistic choices. For example, I personally believe Caitlyn has a great design, but that cop skin though. That was a questionable choice. There are so many examples of unnecessary sexualization of women that far outweigh any comparison to men. I don't think the answer is to make male champions more hunky, but to instead look into fixing the past like you said.

Sir Poodle12/2/2018, 10:18:54 PM6 votes

At least for me, this post really hits the nail on the head on what annoys me with almost all the female characters; characterization, clothing, and homogeneity.

Characterization:

Because we can't relate to a character whose tits ARE her personality, can we?

Characterization is extremely important to developing a, well, character. The fact that so many of the female champions (even though I don't think it's the majority at this point) are described as beautiful or glamorous more than anything else. Even if they are determined, or vicious, or whatever, we never see that. If you look at the Fullmetal Alchemist series, which I really like, almost everyone except maybe Gluttony and a few others is physically beautiful. A lot of those characters are actually pretty sexualized, like every member of the Armstrong family except the children, just as an example. But almost none of the important characters are left behind when it comes to characterization, so it ends up just eye candy that doesn't negatively impact the work. True, Fullmetal Alchemist has an easier time of showing people's personality because of its more story friendly format compared to League's, but League has failed to show anything behind the eyes for some characters, especially in game. (Ahri has some pretty amazing lore with the Garden of Forgetting story, but just look at her VO to see how little depth she has that's directly observable.)

Clothing:

While they're not as obnoxious as the previous examples, Caitlyn is still seriously in need of an Ezreal-scale update, and none of these champions, magical cold resistance or not, is wearing suitable clothing for her environment.

Sure, no one can help how attractive they might look, but there's a big exception in clothing, and how it's treated ties the issue to the character. With very few exceptions, people choose what they wear. They chose their clothing based on what resources they have, what they need it to do, and what they're comfortable in, either physically or socially (does it stick out, blend it, ect.) It feels really improbable that so many of the female champions as characters prefer clothing that exposes their breasts, midriff, or both, and it's downright absurd in several cases that they would wear it even if they found it more comfortable. Even as humans wield literal magic, or survive falls that definitely should have killed them, or whatever, the one thing you can't just handwave away as needing suspension of disbelief is if humans don't act like humans, and clothing choice is a subtle but relevant part of how people act.

Homogeneity: This isn't actually in the post, but it bugs me; very nearly every female champion except Jinx, Illaoi, Zoe, Annie, and some of the monstrous ones (Hi Rek'Sai) has the exact same freaking body type. Maybe this isn't a sexism or sexualization issue, precisely, but it says something when it feels like the physical appearance of most of the female characters feels like it came out of a mold. It kind of takes away from a character's individuality when they look exactly like another character, and if it's mostly the female characters that lack that, well, that does kind of sound like a (mild) sexism issue.

CasterGilgamesh12/1/2018, 12:22:03 AM6 votes

i dont know why people hate so much on caits Miniskirt i think it fits her and makes her outfit fun.i dont understand the logic that now that its normal for woman to wear pants that its now shameful to wear skirts of any kind

The Highest Noon11/30/2018, 11:38:54 PM5 votes

I was going to make a statement about it being a tired idea to merely remove the skin of female champions and call it progression, but then I stopped to think about it, realized I don't care either way, and am all for this because any redesign is a good redesign when it comes down to it.