@Riot, What Problems Have You Observed With The State Of Lore?

Super Loller·Mar 14, 2016·1 votes·1,054 views

I Think we can all agree there are some problems with RIot's Lore.

This thread is about hearing Riot acknowledging the problems with it's lore in an attempt to make things better.

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GreenLoreMar 14, 20162 votes

Honestly this

is about hearing Riot acknowledging the problems with it's lore in an attempt to make things better.

sounds more like a "riot i want to bash you because i don't like the current lore direction" They said already multiple times that they did screw up,especially when it came to the missing long lores and they are fixing it currently(several long lores are on their way and will likely be released this week)

Super LollerMar 16, 20161 votes

God forbid a company should be self-aware of itself, and try to strive to improve based on community feedback. /sarcasm

Sorry, but I think you read a little too much into my post, I was making a thread to help gather valid constructive criticism for Riot on their lore direction.

Heck, actually read my opening comment. I'm not trying to bash Riot, I'm trying to help them improve its game via community feedback...for free!

I sincerely wanna hear some constructive feedback on how Riot's recent League of Legends Lore has been received in order to help them do a better job!

The retconned lore is still in it's infancy. In my mind. players should be helping RIot by pointing out all of the problems with the retcon so that Riot can fix them all in a timely manner.

This thread is about community feedback! Please comment!

GreenLoreMar 16, 20163 votes

Maybe I've read too much into it,but in the end I really doubt that Riot isn't aware of the problems in the lore that currently exists.

They know that several champions still need their updated lores(and that some don't make any sense currently),its just that they seem to focus their attention to specific groups,so that they can make their lores at once,because in the end,pretty much every old champ needs a lore update. I mean imagine if they changed Leonas lore,without changing pantheons,in that case they would have likely still referred to atreus as pantheon,which wouldn't make sense given pantheons new lore.

Super LollerMar 16, 20161 votes

If they are aware of those problems, they sure aren't showing it.

I'll admit that it's really hard to do, but if you've paid attention to the hints RIoters have dropped over last couple years, it's easy to see lore probably isn't a priority for them anymore.

Rather than have a Lore team develop Runeterra and it's champions as a cohesive world, they put writers on the champion teams to figure out backstories for champion's while/after they're made.

(*Don't take this for fact, it's just my take on what several Rioters have posted. To my knowledge this is how it works now. That being said Riot's been changing up how their lore is created a few times per year lately so who knows how it is now.)

GreenLoreMar 16, 20161 votes

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I'll admit that it's really hard to do, but if you've paid attention to the hints RIoters have dropped over last couple years, it's easy to see lore probably isn't a priority for them anymore.

Rather than have a Lore team develop Runeterra and it's champions as a cohesive world, they put writers on the champion teams to figure out backstories for champion's while/after they're made.

The thing is: I have been active on these forums for years now and while I certainly agree that the lore isn't riots top concern,it is also noticeable that the lore team does geniunly try to better the lore as a whole. Thats pretty much why they did the retcon in the first place,I mean they took the long and and dangerous path of retconning the lore. If they wouldn't care they would have just stuck to what they already had even if it restricts their possibilities.

Also putting writers onto the champion team is necessary,because otherwise the champion team would make characters blindly,which would obviously create problems.

Overall it looks to me like their highest priority right now is to flesh out the world. I mean look at the Lore for Mt.Targon,Bilgewater and the shadow isles. For years these places were pretty much just names to describe the place where the characters comes from,we barely had any idea of their history,culture,etc.,now these places are much more fleshed out than they were before.

Super LollerMar 17, 20161 votes

You almost had me agreeing with you Greenlore...but after analyzing what you're post... I've come to the conclusion that you're just spouting nonsense that sounds good at a glance.

You're like Donald Trump. You've stated thatt Your post didn't actually comment on anything, You merely agreed Riot hasn't been re-active to lore posts, and then stated that you've been active on these forums, sorry to say it, but you're just an aspiring bullshit artist GreenLore.

GreenLoreMar 17, 20162 votes

Says the person whose post history sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theories...

You always assume the worst of Riot and you claim to have been a very active person on the board,yet your oldest post on these boards is just 2 months old,which shows that you are not as experienced as you claim to be. Heck until you started to write on these boards you weren't even aware of the lore outside of the client...

And look at your post history,there are hardly any posts that didn't get lots of downvotes. Sure you are probably going to say "people are jus white-knighting for riot",but if so many people disagree with you,then you should consider the possibility that you are in the wrong...

Super LollerMar 17, 20161 votes

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The thing is: I have been active on these forums for years now and while I certainly agree that the lore isn't riots top concern,it is also noticeable that the lore team does geniunly try to better the lore as a whole. Thats pretty much why they did the retcon in the first place,I mean they took the long and and dangerous path of retconning the lore. If they wouldn't care they would have just stuck to what they already had even if it restricts their possibilities.

Also putting writers onto the champion team is necessary,because otherwise the champion team would make characters blindly,which would obviously create problems.

Overall it looks to me like their highest priority right now is to flesh out the world. I mean look at the Lore for Mt.Targon,Bilgewater and the shadow isles. For years these places were pretty much just names to describe the place where the characters comes from,we barely had any idea of their history,culture,etc.,now these places are much more fleshed out than they were before.

Lol, your post sounds like a hysterical person spouting nonsense trying to prove their point. Sure, some of what you say makes sense, but your overall message makes it clear that your vision for lore doesn't make sense and is bullshit.

Super LollerMar 17, 20161 votes

In my opinion, they should fix what's broken first, and deliver new lore after...not the other way around.

PyrodiniumMar 14, 20162 votes

What are the problems that you think need to be acknowleged?

Every single person in the lore fanbase has concerns about the state of the LoL lore, but they vary wildly from one individual to another. It would be very helpful to know where are you coming from.

Super LollerMar 16, 20161 votes

Two words: Jax, Lore.

Jax still doesn't exist within the retconned lore, as has no backstory within the retconned Runeterra!

There's lot's more problems, but I just felt like stating one of the more obvious ones.

My previous post outlines my stance on things. Players should all help Riot identify all of the problems/inconsistencies with the retconned lore in order to help Riot fix it, so that it all makes sense again.

I'm not trying to pin blame, but I think the obvious lore inconsistencies should be pointed out so that they can be addressed, and corrected...and right now, this game is rife with lore inconsistencies that need to be addressed.

Furor NexisMar 14, 20161 votes

It's like writing a deeply detailed fantasy novella. There's plans and places for each champion, area, etc. Sometimes those plans don't work out with the vision Riot are trying to bring to us and as well as establishing the value of the League identity as a valuable domain. Everything needs near perfect timing as well as influential styles. There's also chances that the Lore developers also probably have their own side-projects going on at the same time, so things can become muddled if everyone decides to jump in at the same time.

A melting pot like that as good in general, but there's also certain things that can hinder lore development such as a disagreement or writer's block or anything of that level, which is pretty severe because it leads back to the drawing board so another idea can be concepted. That being said there are a couple of Warhammer writers working on the lore team, so there are great minds working behind the scenes. Writing a good story takes time, and when a story has problems, it's going to delay the entire thing so the author / creator will have to wind back first to see what's wrong, what they want to tackle and so forth. For example look at the Harry Potter series. It took J.K. Rowling ten years to fully complete the main story, and even more time for the extra stuff like the Pottormore series, and so on.

And as another opinion, as someone who also does writing on the side, it's fun, but it's not easy. Ideas come often, the challenge is establishing those ideas into something more. I've often had cases of writer's block myself which has managed to completely kill my passion for some small projects. I still get a constant flow of ideas, but putting it down to paper and working on it takes the right time or moment, because if I rush it I'll more than likely burn myself out.