I'm not sold on the new Leona

Eeyore··19 votes·2,316 views

As a Rakkorian Warrior and as a Celestial, Leona is shown as someone who does what her gut tells her is right above what is expected of her - meaning her moral compass is above her duty, which is the same as her old lore. But her new lore has a section in middle where Leona seems to be having a mid-life crisis (i.e. when she's a Solari) and it feels really out of character to me. When confronted by the excitable and seemingly peaceful Diana - who came before the court as a literal god-incarnate - Leona was practically foaming at the mouth over the prospect of getting to kill her. Where did this sudden blind obedience for the Solari come from? Being indoctrinated seems so out of Leona's character, to me, particularly since the story gave no impression that the Solari was intentionally doing this (Leona literally educated herself).

Solutions to this, for me, would be to either give some impression that Leona was a Solari-at-heart BEFORE they recruited her - perhaps seeing the Golden Man as an aspect of the Sun and it was her belief that the Sun's light is pure that stopped her killing it; or for Leona to show signs of remorse or hesitation over the fact she believes she'll be Diana's executioner. For example, "Leona knew how the elders would react before Diana even opened her mouth; steeling herself at the prospect of being ordered to attack an emissary of the Mountain, who entered the court in good faith. But to worship False Light... Diana was wasting her breath here. Suddenly Diana struck out..." Like, it's fine for Leona to be overcome with shock or grief, or even outrage so long as the outrage is over senseless murder (rather than someone speaking with different beliefs).

Don't get me wrong, I love fictions where The Sun is the villain. Something so big and important is just ripe for a vain and arrogant character, that blinds and burns out of malice... but Leona isn't that character. To me always seemed like the character who would oppose even the Sun if it meant sparing an innocent (and Diana was innocent at the time Leona passed judgment on her; although at least in her old lore Diana acted in self-defense). And I know that Leona was "shown the truth" when she became the Radiant Dawn - but it should have been how she thought as her own person. (Although this does raise the question... was Leona only Chosen because she spared the Golden Man, does he not know the venom that was on her tongue when they met for the second time? I thought the Mountain only chose the worthy...)

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Ralanr9 votes

Killing a bunch of people in front of you tends to do that. Plus she's not as hateful now since she knows the truth. The problem is that Diana doesn't know that Leona knows.

Eeyore6 votes

But Leona was teeming with rage and wanting to kill Diana BEFORE Diana struck out. Just because Diana was faster to the trigger doesn't change the fact Leona pulled her gun first. ;)

Ralanr3 votes

Oh, right.

Remember how it described her getting really into the Solari ways? That's why.

Marbelara7 votes

It's like telling someone with Stalin-caliber indoctrination - that Stalin was not in fact a chosen one, an apostle, and a hero to the people, praise his name. For all the Russians knew, he brought radio and electricity to their remote rural villages, advanced their culture, praised and encouraged them through the radio and amused them with portable movies about his greatness. The poverty and war were never his fault, it was the filthy west challenging Mother Russia and Stalin with blasphemy.

Hell, some old people from the countryside who were children back then still can't believe he could be a bad person. It's like their brains just error when someone mentions it.

If you were such a person and someone called Stalin a murderer of millions, a sadist, and a bringer of calamities etc. to your face, you'd probably bash them. Just bash them.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

^This. People don't understand that Leona was indoctrinated, just like everyone else in the Solari and Rakkor tribes. Diana avoided the mind control of the elders because she always felt a spiritual connection with the Moon and that something was missing in her life.

ralsei2 votes

But the thing is like, in her old lore, Leona also avoided the mind control.

Marbelara2 votes

And now she showed taking a jab at compassion both before her indoctrination and after she learned the truth. The villlage invaders are a more complicated issue, because the have, in fact, mindlessly slaughtered the people under her protection, with implications of theft, rape, homicide, desecration, etc.

Even a Ionian would take an issue with that :D

XIII Vanitas1 votes

Yes and no. This is the difference I see between the two versions.

The old lore Leona only chose for herself: she refused to battle to the death with another Rakkor because she thought a warrior should protect its people. She submitted to her execution, but she was saved at the last moment by the blessing of the Sun diety. She later became a Solari.

The new lore Leona had to make a choice for her people: she decided to spare the little kid and lead him back to the top of the mountain, defying the rules of the Rakkors, because he was harmless and posed no threat to her people. Pantheon didn't agree, acted like a snitcher, and Leona had to fight to save herself and prove that her decision was right. After she was taken by the Solari, she was heavily indoctrinated by the elders and she ended up trusting them completely, probably because she saw them as those who saved her and/or prevented her from killing one of her old friends. When she met Diana, she was able to sense her immense power and resentment towards the elders. From her point of view, Diana was a threat to the community because of the nonsensical blasphemy she was spounting. After the slaughter of the council, Leona climbed the mountain and discovered the truth by herself, understanding that the elders were wrong and Diana wasn't ill-intentioned.

Eeyore2 votes

I completely understand that Leona was indoctrinated. I'm saying I don't like how out-of-the-blue that was for her character, particularly given how resistant her personality was before.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

What do you mean by "before": before her old lore was changed or before she joined the Solari in the new lore?

Eeyore1 votes

Both. In her old lore the Solari revered her, not the other way around; and in her new lore, she refused to do what was expected of a Rakkorian. Perhaps if her pre-Solari lore gave some indication that she already revered the Solari, so that her preference for their way of thinking wasn't so out of the blue - perhaps she saw the Golden Man as a creature of pure sunlight, and she did not kill it on her belief that the Sun's light is pure and good.

Felvyne1 votes

Femenine instinct. Besides she had become a fanatic, she sensed that something was wrong with Diana. And remember than then Diana was already an embodiment of the Moon, so makes sense Leona sensed the enormous power so different of the Sun.

GreenLore1 votes

Leona was angry at diana,but it doesn't say that she wanted to kill diana for that(she knew the elders would have her executed however,so she knew she would have to kill diana)

Eeyore1 votes

I'm pretty certain that fantasizing about someone on the end of your sword (especially if she knew it would come true), counts as intent. There was no indication that Leona disagreed with the belief to execute heretics.

ThatAutofillSupp4 votes

as someone who loves leona as a character and her old lore i completely agree..she just seems like a different person now

GreenLore3 votes

Overall I think its to make her less of a goody-two-shoes.

Yes she is quite a bit darker now,but in the end she still seems to see it as more important to protect than to kill. However sometimes you have to kill in order to protect and she is aware of that(thats why she kills the barbarians,she knows they would only come back and cause even more deaths)

Regardless at the end she seems to realize that she and the elders were in the wrong,which is why she seeks diana now,not to kill her,but for answers.

Also it looks like both the sun and the moon powers are rather evil.Leonas color text describes something evil within her wanting to cause death and destruction,while dianas bio makes it clear that diana had a blackout when she killed the elders.

Celio Hogane HD2 votes

Leona is exactly how i knew she was actually, she was hiding a dark motive, her story shows it.

Dian? Diana is exaclty the same as before, so.

Gapybo2 votes

Leona is not evil now. Please reread the lore. She is basically the same person. The conflict with Diana happened before Leona became the aspect of the sun. She doesn't hate Diana after.

Eeyore2 votes

Just because the start and end are the same doesn't mean the middle isn't defining of her personality and character. She is now presented as someone who is easy to bend and manipulate - making it sound like she keeps jumping sides. The whole plot of the Mountain is that it chooses people who are worthy - and it chose someone who was driven by blind obedience first and revenge as a convenient excuse. Even if it taught Leona better - it speaks worse for the Mountain and Leona.

Gapybo1 votes

And that is different from the old Leona how?

Eeyore2 votes

In the old story she was "chosen" by the Sun for her act of mercy BEFORE joining the Solari, who essentially revered her as a god (and literally). Her opinion would have held weight over them, not the other way around. Leona was not present at Diana's ascension in the original lore, and Diana killed the elders in self-defense - that is to say they never officially interacted. Diana was essentially an exile while Leona was a emissary of Mercy - those were their defining traits. Now... not so much.

I mean sure - she is shown the "truth" and supposedly the error of her ways. But why did the Mountain choose such a corrupted person? Why did they add those "corrupted teenage years" to her story when she was an honorable trainee, an honorable warrior and is supposedly an honorable Aspect.

Spitemaster2 votes

Thing is, none of that moral compass actually appears in the story. It's equally reasonable to consider her encounter with the golden boy as a case of enchantment, not mercy (and I think even moreso). There's no point in the story where she protects someone because they couldn't protect themself, which was so much of her old character. I agree with a lot of what you've said, but it seems like you're considering Leona's personality in the new lore as essentially the same as her personality in the old lore. If you don't know the old lore, there are two almost entirely different people.

Trading Aces1 votes

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why is Leona, the character who would spare a monster and is driven by a thirst for enlightenment, so hateful toward Diana?

Think of it like Christianity (may I not be flamed and/or damned for the comparison) back in the day. Suppose you are a former soldier that's discovered religion cause you have this awesome moral compass that cause you to abstain from killing and become priest or something. You thirst for knowledge and learn from fellow priests and become a cardinal or something. Then you escort some abbot from where ever - also supposedly Christian mind you - and he goes about spouting to the Pope on how Satan and God are both necessary and are yin yang like and require one another theologically. That abbot would inspire rage and scorn from even the most well tempered priest of an older era and would probably receive a swift execution.

ArbiterOfTruth1 votes

I think that the reason Leona got angry was because Diana reacted rashly. She could have run away, but instead she entered a rage and killed the elders. After Leona becomes the Aspect of the Sun she knows that she has to work with Diana.

Eeyore2 votes

Diana hadn't done anything but talk when Leona decided that she was going to have to kill her.

Hildebrand1 votes

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Diana hadn't done anything but talk when Leona decided that she was going to have to kill her.

See the operative word is HAVE, you are completely misconstruing a character beased on a lack of understanding of the text

Eeyore1 votes

Not at all.

It was her duty to kill the Golden Man. Something, you could say, she had to do. But she didn't. She made her own decision - damn the traditions and expectations of her peers. That is also her previous lore, which is the basis I have to construe her character. Thus, when she said that she would have to kill Diana - it is not unreasonable to interpret that as another of her own decisions. She was also teeming with rage - practically foaming at the mouth. She was not making a dutiful observation - she was steeling herself.

ArbiterOfTruth1 votes

I went back and found this semtence "Leona felt her anger build with every word Diana spoke, and when the elders rejected her words and named her a blasphemer, Leona knew it would be her blade that ended the heretic’s life.". It is very clear that Leona was angry with Diana, likely because Diana was going against everything Leona had been taught, and that Leona was ready to kill Diana.

Oysteroth1 votes

No it doesn't. Leona is strong because she is willing to look back at what her people have done and then make amends for them. She's lived the lives of everyone on the mountain. She grew up as a trainee. She fought against the alien beings from the mountain along with everyone else. She lived the terrible life of the common folk, and she rose above it by sparing the boy and passing the cosmic sun god's test. Then she was swooped away by the high priests and what not, and she learned what she thought was her true purpose as a holy guard, but she would later rise above it again after her fall into anger and vengeance.

Once she sees the truth, that the Solari and the Lunari fought, and her people won and wiped them from history, she realizes how terrible her people have acted. She leaves not to finish the job her ancestors started, but because she's risen yet again above her peers who would continue being blind to the truth. It didn't pick her to make her see the truth. It picked her because she was able to see it. She now wants to make amends for the wrongdoings committed in the past and hopefully to ally with Diana against whatever was foreshadowed in Pantheon's lore.

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