I would like to talk about the new perceived morality of Kayle and Morgana (Morg too good).

Ralanr·2/21/2019, 5:00:06 AM·29 votes·13,261 views

So when I first joined this game (back in season 3 where I played nothing but bots from 1 to 30, judge me all you want) I looked up some of the lore of Morgana because one of my friends played (and still does) her. Her lore described her as this fighter cast out of an oppressed society and using whatever powers she could to fight back against her tyrants. Your basic "for the greater good" and "rebellion" stories rolled into one. Seemed ok for lore back then rather than just saying "Purple lady is evil because she is purple and uses dark magics!"

Then I read Kayle's lore, which not only told me they were sisters but also basically said that she was a warrior who fought for justice to protect her home from crumbling and brought down evil terrorists (I'm paraphrasing here) who threatened the peace and harmony of her home.

Then I reread Morgana's lore. Then I reread Kayle's. Then it hit me, the great thing about their lores is that they painted themselves as the good characters, the other as the bad characters, but as a reader, you couldn't tell which was really true. That's what made their old lore so good, it was that you could see both of their sides and maybe even agree with each others methods, but in the end you weren't sure who was really right.

And the new lore fails to do this. Why? Because we as an outside reader can relate our own morality into the story too easily. When Kayle basically tries to Sodom and Gomorrah Demacia because someone killed Ronas, you kinda get the idea that Kayle went a little overboard. But we don't really get that for Morgana because she basically killed Ronas in self defense because he was like, "Kayle ain't doing this, so I'll put justice in my own hands!"

And Morgana was like:

Morgana: No. Back off or die. And then he died.

Kayle only stops because her rage caused her father to die, and then she decides to blame her emotions on the situation and bugger off to Targon while Morgana decides to wander the world to help people (and apparently never meet Poppy).

Where is the duality here? I can see them arguing over areas of justice (Kayle being too harsh, Morgana being too soft) but nothing Morgana has done has backfired on her beyond "Well I didn't want these powers, but I have them now."

This story works well for Kayle because we get to see how extreme she is. She believes what she's doing is right, is just, and we are presented with that in her VO at times. But we know that she is just taking things a wee bit too far. We don't get that with Morgana, in fact, many people probably side more with Morgana because she's helping those who could be redeemed or misjudged.

Where are Morgana's flaws? Where are her mistakes? Why must Kayle be the only one who makes a mistake and punishes herself for it? Morgana's was simply binding her own wings to keep herself on the ground with mortals. I understand that Morgana has a lot of humility, but what I don't see is where she could be wrong.

If you're going to try and make a debate through two philosophies, you have to show the good and bad of both.

I do enjoy the character interactions and I feel as a duo they are stronger than ever, but seperatly their motivations and faults need more work. I'm not asking for Riot to make Kayle go adopt a puppy or build an orphanage, she's fine so long as you push Morgana to an equal extreme amount.

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Iota Theta2/21/2019, 1:03:49 PM6 votes

I’m looking forward to seeing how their color stories play out, but I do like how they are like a...duality? Is that the word?

They are two halves of the same coin. Justice without compassion to temper it becomes what we see of Kayle. Cold, hard, unforgiving. You broke the law, you pay. However, pure compassion without a proper sense of justice, can be seen as soft. A man could plead with Morgana, and she might protect him from Kayle, but if he did it insincerely and goes off and does it again, would Morgana actually do something about it?

What we see of Morgana isn’t always the greatest though. Did she really have to kill Ronas? Did she have to “[shackle] him with dark flame until he fell to the floor, dead”? Did she do anything to stop the riot that was happening in the city?

By Morgana’s VO, there’s also an interesting thing to notice. She’s often bitter, depressed sounded. She speaks of a broken heart and betrayal. Who knows what all she will do in such a state?

It also makes me think of part of a passage from my faith, “Seek justice. Love mercy.” We need both, each tempered by the other. Kayle and Morgana seem to be embodiments of that idea.

Warlord Rhinark2/21/2019, 7:39:26 AM6 votes

I wish they had kept more of their old lore going into the rework.

Especially the part about Kayle deliberately hiding herself behind armor, and avoiding showing her face.

It feels so odd to go from this, to suddenly... what we see in-game.

It feels way out of character.

Zapzya2/21/2019, 8:21:01 AM6 votes

The problem with bios is that they don't give a good impression of the champion. They are a short recount of their life, but we never get a full grip of their personality. When they release, they will probably get some colour stories which will paint a better picture of how they are. Hopefully they take this opportunity to show the dark side of Morgana.

Wofye2/21/2019, 8:13:42 AM4 votes

I dont think itd be difficult to write faults for Morgana, i do wish they did though.

  1. Idleness. She could try to rehabilitate a psychopath whos too far gone and they could end up killing their entire family or something. Unstopped because shes too soft.

  2. Her understanding of things may be immature. Sometimes you have to expunge the dysfunctional in order to keep the majority of people happy (we dont want murderers or terrorists destroying our ways of life). What would happen if she learned of war? Is she gonna cry at both nations to stop hitting each other and be friends? She may encounter loyalty issues if then, she may turn to fickleness(I would kill someone if it meant I get to save my own children, but morgana may have trouble understanding necessary violence).

  3. Okay, she killed a guy ("""in self defense""") even though she herself isimmortal and way more powerful than he is. Why didnt she just...wrestle him into submission, tie him up and say "excuse me sis, your follower just tried stabbing me in the face, can you talk with him?". She being kinda airheaded is one confirmed flaw.

He4rtkiller2/21/2019, 3:48:11 PM4 votes

Their stories have potential to explore the sense of justice trough two very different persons with very different, perhaps completely opposite, views on what justice is. To explore what are good and bad sides of each understanding of justice. Sadly I don't think they've done a good job at exploring and presenting this idea in their bios. Their bios left me with impression that Kayles view of justice is wrong while Morganas view of justice is the right one.

Stars Shaper2/21/2019, 12:45:57 PM3 votes

This was exactly the core of my argument against the recent storytelling which victims are currently Kayle and Demacia as a whole.

I’m saddened though that the only reply we got on the matter is that, apparently, making it so Kayle would be relatable too would mean having “2-dimensional characters”.

Then Scathlocke derailed the discussion into a Darth Vader apology which found himself again proven wrong in his views.

I wish we could have a constructive discussion about it but this then needs both parties to engage in it. Something I’m not seeing from Riot writers.

seresibyl2/21/2019, 12:18:12 PM3 votes

I don't understand why Demaciaians are revering them though... nothing in the backstory made them into anything that seemed worth worshipping and building statues of them... Kayle rained down fire - yay lets worship her and use her likeness cuz it destroyed our city?

I mean, I guess I can see how they could take that as an angel of justice and make it logical - but the whole story just didn't feel that way from how abruptly it went from 'RAIN THAT FIRE DOWN' to 'and so they worship statues of her' .. :/

DrippyBrownHole2/21/2019, 7:18:18 PM3 votes

This game has lore?

Valaran Nara2/21/2019, 6:08:21 AM2 votes

With what is happening in Demacia...

Where do you think they will fall?

Morgana is no longer just rebellion, so it's not like she'll immediately side with Sylas.

What's also funny is, if Kayle is aligned with Demacian standards with what's going on...Sylas will be punished. Morgana, on the otherhand would try to reason with Sylas cause of the pain he felt. The fear, all of it. But...would she actually agree? Or would she just sympathize but still seek for him to stop?

Both Kayle and Morgana has lines for Sylas and they appear to be in agreement that he is wrong in some manner, but while Kayle would baptize him, Morg may just try to convince him otherwise which...honestly will fail. Sylas is so far at the moment that he will refuse Morgana and try to use her magic to further his gain.

**Note: I think Sylas is one of those people where his morality got grayed super hard by the Recruit story he had. Everyone says Demacia is evil now but kind of ignored the fact that the one guy who seems good now in contrast...dismissed and emotionally disowned a child of his kind (mage) cause he won't kill. And the moment the child did kill (even though the noble seems bigotted enough), Sylas praised the murder and was overjoyed with the killing. It wasn't a "This...is a heavy toll that must be done. One noble at a time." No. It was full on "REVENGE! YES! THEY WILL PAY FOR THEIR TREATMENT OF ME AND THE REST!" Even though he spoke to the kid as if that's the case, Sylas's inner joy spoke...differently.

Malignis2/22/2019, 12:27:39 AM2 votes

Just my viewpoint but I feel like the bio wasn't really showing us so much of their personalities as it was setting up the moment where their view on justice really became opposite. Kayle viewed her father's death as a consequence of human emotion clouding her judgement when she was seeking human justice for a human death. She left the battlefield because she realized that human emotions have no place in her form of justice and we see in her quotes that she firmly believes that only the divine may decide what justice truly is.

Morgana on the other hand saw Kayle's detachment from human emotion and their family as the reason for why her father was killed and in her mind the divine's detachment from humanity is what makes them unfit to decide what justice is. So she bound her wings to detach herself from the divine and live as closely as she could to humanity, feeling that human's mortality and emotion is what makes them best fitted to decide what justice is.

So basically what I got from the story was not that Kayle or Morgana are opposites because of light/dark or good/evil but their opposition comes from one believing in detachment from emotion when deciding what is just and the other believing that human emotion is the only way to decide what is just, a contrast between the divine and mortal; Kayle fighting against her mortal emotions and Morgana fighting against her divinity and the influential power it has.

TyrekGoldenspear2/23/2019, 3:22:16 PM2 votes

I agree with your overall point. Come on Riot, give us a reason to like Kayle if they're supposed to be grey and complex characters. Because right now Kayle's pretty unlikable.

AirKingNeo2/21/2019, 10:53:39 PM1 votes

the story doesn't work well for Kayle even

She attacks an entire village because a person under HER command was stupid and got killed for it. That's not extreme, that's illogical.

Don Lupus2/24/2019, 10:20:21 AM1 votes

I think the VOs story is far more superior to the written backgroundstory. Morgana seems to be more mercyful and "understanding" of human faults, but she's also got that weird fatalism thing going on. Kayle is blinded by justice and way too strict and obsessed with it, but she does not seem as evil as she does in the baclgroundstory's plot.

General Matty2/21/2019, 12:36:25 PM1 votes

The thing is did Morgana really have to kill Ronas? I highly doubt Ronas would have been able to do anything to her, so i think she went a little overboard herself.

BioticFlux2/21/2019, 7:25:58 AM1 votes

Yes, I completely agree with you. That's why I liked Morgana and Kayle and started to play them; because I liked their old lore and the way it was written. I miss it that Morg did "bad" things with good intentions, whilst Kayle did the same from a different point of view, which only became apparent when u read both of their lore. Now it feels like Morg only does good and Kayle bad without their confluent duality.